Captain America vs. Cyclops

Originally posted by Capt.JK
Cap is the supreme strategist on a battlefield.

Captain is the better fighter of the two, so he won't have much trouble with Cyke. If he gets close enough. But being a supreme strategist on a battlefield has nothing to do in a mean fight mano a mano.

He's going to close in fast and take Cyke out. And once Cap gets close... Game Over.

I find it hard to understand how everyone seems to agree that Cap is the best tactician on a battlefield where hundreds of people (soldiers, heroes, whatever) are all fighting for their lives and trying to win, and Cap can keep his head and emotions in check and lead the good guys to victory. Yet the "non-Cap" fans always seem to think his IQ drops and he can't coordinate his own 2 feet to win a one-on-one fight by himself. The basic skills he needs are the same. It seems to me that it would be easier for Cap if he didn't have to split his attention between fighting his own fight and leading and directing everyone else to boot. Your argument about Napoleon doesn't hold water, because he lead from the rear. Cap fights AND leads from the front! And Cap's reaction time is WAY faster than Cyke's!

Cyclops loses... BAD.

Cap wins.

This is definately Caps battle here. He's got the experience, strength, speed and endurance on Cyclops. There's no way Cyclops can win as long as Caps got that shield. And even then -- he'd have to CATCH Cap to put him down and Caps fast.

Originally posted by Nathaniel Grey
This is definately Caps battle here. He's got the experience, strength, speed and endurance on Cyclops.

There's no way Cyclops can win as long as Caps got that shield.

And you do realize - I hope - Scott doesn't have much trouble with shooting his beams in complicated angles ?! He can without much effort hit the back of Captain America.

And even then -- he'd have to CATCH Cap to put him down and Caps fast.

cyclops isnt that kick ass with his optic blasts, he's been beat by weaker characters than cap that have less fighting ability and no ranged attacks at all

cap has been shot by WAYYYY WAYYYYY worse than cyclops strongest optic blast, and never went down against them

as much as i like cyclops he has no chance against captain america, cap definitely wins this one

Originally posted by who?-kid
Not the speed. The optic beams of Cyclops are sooo much faster than the fastest move of Captain America.

Faster? I disagree. While Cyclops' reaction time with his optic blasts is very formidable they're far from being " uncanny ". All of Cyke's abilities save for his optic blast are the normal attributes of a human ( Yes, I know he's a mutant. ) being that's had some intense training. Captain America is several steps above that in every general direction. His physical speed would allot him a degree of mobility that would rival even Cyclops' own reaction time. As we all know...Captain America is the peak of human strength, speed, endurance and agility. I somehow doubt it would take him much effort to avoid Cyclops' optic blasts. Captain America has dodged omni beams, lasers, bullet fire and even the rays of the cosmic cube I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm sure you will. I've seen Nightcrawler avoid Cyclops' optic blasts and I somehow think even Cap would have such ability especially were he to parry each of those oncoming attacks with his shield.

Lol what's he going to do ? Hide behind his shield forever ? If Cyclops unleashes his full power, Captain America AND his shield will be blown away (shield not destroyed or damaged, but Captain America has not the power to hold his own against a powerful hit of Cyclops). It's like a runaway truck coming in your direction... oh, quick, let's just sit here and hide behind the shield, that will stop the truck lol.

Hide? No. That's not Caps style and you know it. Captain America though he plays defensive when needed is essentially an offensive fighter. The last thing he'd do when faced when an enemy with such abilities is hide behind his shield hoping for amnesty. Though I don't question Summers' ability to formulate battle tactics I do not believe they're as complex as those of Captain America. He's had more experience in battles in the past half a century than Cyclops that gives him the advantage.

Unleash his full power? When have you ever known Cyclops to release his " full " power on someone he doesn't consider an enemy? That's NOT at all in his character. Besides this is Captain America, someone that Cyclops himself reveres to a degree. Even if he fought him he wouldn't try to blast him into kingdom come. He wouldn't be out to kill Cap if it weren't a necessary option. So let's assume that Cyclops would now be dishing out his standard blasts. Those aren't at all that difficult to avoid when you posses heightened agility and speed. Though I'm not saying he could avoid them all together but in conjunction with his shield he'd have a pretty good chance of getting in close to Cyke where it'd just be a matter of landing a few well placed blows and the man is K.O'ed.

And you do realize - I hope - Scott doesn't have much trouble with shooting his beams in complicated angles ?! He can without much effort hit the back of Captain America.

And you do realize that Captain America's heightened reaction time would give him the tools needed to I don't know...duck perhaps? And lets' not forget Caps shield. The shield's exceptional aerodynamic properties enable it to slice through the air with minimal wind resistance and deflection of path. How much effort do you think it would take for Cap to toss his shield at Cyclops? And while Cyclops aims his optic blast to hit the shield ...it wouldn't take too much of Caps speed to run up to Cyke and again...K.O. him. Is that not a possibility? I think it is.

Eurhm no. Why on Earth should Cyclops catch Captain America ? Cyclops isn't stupid, he hasn't got a chance facing Captain America in a direct fight.

Yes, Cyclops is a worth contender and probably one of the better match ups for Cap but seeing as how Cyclops seems to mainly rely on his optic blast for offensive attacks that leaves him at a greater disadvantage. His single attack allows those he fights the ability to predict the possible directions he could take. Captain America is said to be one of the greatest tacticians in the Marvel world and you don't think he'd realize that this was a possibility? He's got the mind of a soldier and has been a soldier since before Cyclops was born. Cap would exploit every weakness that Cyclops has including the removal of his visor. Without that Cyke has no " pin point " control. And with that Cap can easily move in and take Cyke out. It'd all lead to a direct fight which is where Cap dominates Cyclops.

If Cyclops can beat him quick he could win. However, likely that the good Captain America would devise a stratagy where Cyclops expends all of his optic beam.
Then it's man to man. And in that case, it's hopeless for Scott Summers. No matter how good a fighter or leader he is.
Whatever i said eairler in this thread, i haven't gone back to check; I still think Summers stands a darn good chance, maybe a 3 or 4 but he doesn't measure up to Cap. really. Not as a leader even.

Oh for God's sake. Was about to make this very thread, with a different slant. Still will I think.

Cap had armor at one point?????
That sucks big time!!!!
They both suck anyway!!!!

We be bootleg!!!
Check it we read cap and we know he's above human peak stength, speed, stamina, and adjility. the nonly thing cyke can rely on is his tactics with his optic blast. Remember cap thups with batman and cyke wouldn't be able to touch batman. We think cap may have this one.
We run these streets!!!

Cyc has "touched" Batman, in the access books, it may have been a crossover (as it would have to be for the two to ever meet) but it was done within the scope of both of their abilities

* of course the ever overrated Capt. America will always pull it off, but then again, my vote goes to Cyke. time and time again, Scott has proven himself as a worthy leader of the X-men and although Cap is exceptionally good leader of the Avengers, Cyke can blast Cap in a snap of a finger. sure, Cap has exceptional fighting skills, like Wolverine, but what kind of chance does he have when his opponent can dish him out meters away? lets face it, Cap has the strength and ability to take Cyke down but <zakt!> its game over even before Cap realizes it. lets just say, Cap did came close to Cyke, but Scott also has intensive physical training, good also in hand-to-hand combat. don't count Cyke out like a wimp that when Cap closes in, Cyke's finished. no, thats not it. you can browse your old comicbooks and see how Scott fights the gang, Dark Riders, all by himself. he fought not only with his mutant powers but also with his bear hands. Cyke can be hit by Cap but that does not end there. regarding Cyke's reaction time, well how much time does it take to twist your neck, look and then blast? lets say, half a second? or a second? is Cap that fast to evade a blast within seconds? i doubt! i vouch for Cyclops.

Cyclops wins.

its a tie if the battle starts with both of them close together i give this to cap america but just barely if they start at a good enough distance then cyclops would blow caps a$$ to mars.

NEVER UNDERESTIMATE CYCLOPS, although not near cap level, hes definately in the top 10 when it comes to fighting skill, and in the top 5, in tactics, leadership etc. even though he is a formidable opponent physically, people just start sayin, OH THAS CYCLOPS ONE OF THE WEAKEST X MEN, and that is not TRUE! his optic blast without his visor can rip asteroids in half and is up there with some of the most devestating affects known onn earth, even magneto's shield{that can easily take multiple hits from tactical nuclear warheads without straining}has problem dealin with a full out blast of an open eyed, visor less scott, and secondly, scott can also just destroy the earth beneath cap's feat even if cap is behind his shield.

'Nuff Said!!!!
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* the fact of the matter is: Cap is a has-been... and has-been's are losers... Cyke wins -> ZAKT!!!

Oh lord.

Guys. Caps's shield is 2.5 feet in diameter.

Cap is 6'2". Even if he bends as much as he can, he can't protect his entire body.

But that's irrelevant.

Cap blocks the first blast. Cyke shoots his feet, breaking the bones there with the concussive force. The fight's pretty much over from there. Cyke just keeps blasting at the unprotected parts. Being that they travel at the speed of light, I don't see anyway Cap is gonna dodge them.

If Cap throws the shield, Cyke shoots it away. Shield out of the picture.

Cyke wins this fight pretty bad.

* Cyke wins...

Originally posted by who?-kid
Not the speed. The optic beams of Cyclops are sooo much faster than the fastest move of Captain America.

Lol what's he going to do ? Hide behind his shield forever ? If Cyclops unleashes his full power, Captain America AND his shield will be blown away (shield not destroyed or damaged, but Captain America has not the power to hold his own against a powerful hit of Cyclops). It's like a runaway truck coming in your direction... oh, quick, let's just sit here and hide behind the shield, that will stop the truck lol.

And you do realize - I hope - Scott doesn't have much trouble with shooting his beams in complicated angles ?! He can without much effort hit the back of Captain America.

For Cyclops:
1) He's smart and a great tactician.
2) He can in fact reflect his beams at different angles, but it has to be a certain surface, other-wise, it just punctures through like it usually does.
3) His blast is damn powerful and can destroy a mountain.

For Cap:
1) He's smarter and the best tactician Marvel has to offer.
2) He also can rebound his shield at different angles off a heck of a lot of surfaces and he does it better, does it instictually and doesn't even have to look to do it.
3) His shield can defend and/or reflect the best anything outside an Inifnity Gauntlet or what the Beyonder can throw at it.

I hope I don't have to post scans to prove the first two comparisons. I mean, Cap headed up strategy during Onslaught and not Cyke, when the heroes gathered. In fact, Cyke led some of his men off-field to save Xavier without telling Cap, and they got their asses royally handed to them and it was Cap n' crew who came in to rescue their mutie butts. Cap has led innumerable incarnations of Avengers, fought off armies single-handedly and effected the outcomes of more intergalactic wars and threats of universal destruction far more than Cyke. Hell, Cyke was taken off of leadership command when he lost to Storm and his most extraordinary accomplishments do not even rival Cap's.

Yeah. And don't tell me Cyke can reflect his beams off any surface. Just cause Cyke in the Capcom games reflects beams doesn't mean he can reflect his beam off of a grassy plain or a brick wall. And don't tell me Cap can't do it better than Cyke. Cap bounces his shield off so well, he can afford to look good by posing while doing it.

The third comparison is the subject of my next rebuttal. It's something that seems to be the crux of this debate. It seems fairly obvious that Cap could deflect regular size beams with ease. Hell, Cap is so damn good, he could probably reflect one back at Cyke with his shield like Danger does in her fight with the X-Men. So it seems that Cyke in a straightup "fair" fight wouldn't win against Cap with conventional means. But his trump card is his ability to unleash a massive attack, which most people seem to be focusing on. People don't doubt Cyke could blow up a mountain, although he doesn't usually. And the last big power blast he used was to wreck a Sentinel, but it didn't even really vaporize him. But regardless, us Cap supporters will give you the benefit of the doubt and grant that Cyke, with his most powerful shot, could blow up a small mountain. How effective is it and could Cap defend against it?

Us Cap supporters don't doubt it one bit. His shield is made of a certain unidentified alloy, this is from wikipedia.com: "Rogers also met President Franklin D. Roosevelt, who presented him with a new shield made from a chance mixture of iron, vibranium and an unknown catalyst. The alloy was indestructible, yet the shield was light enough to use as a discus-like weapon that could be angled to return to him. (In several stories, due to writer error, the shield was described as an adamantium-vibranium alloy.)" For all intents and purposes, the shield is indestructible and because of the vibranium, it absorbs force. This is the reason he can take a shot from Hulk and still be standing. So now having established that, could Cap defend against Cyke's full force blast? He can't dodge it, or reflect something back that large... so can he block it and still live? Or would it engulf him?

I think yes he could and no it would not engulf him. The next several scans will help prove it.