Lord of the Rings vs. Star Wars.

i go with lotr, simply because i read the books and the movies were as amazing as my first time reading the books

i like the first star wars trilogy, this new one sucks imo, i love cgi but lucas goes way too overboard with it and it takes away from the film for me....im at least hoping that the swords made out of a metal that could stop a lightsaber arent introduced in the last (hopefully the last) movie

i really dont think gollum was so real just because of andy serkis, it's 50/50, that was the best cg i've seen in a movie yet, and serkis did a great job depicting the character which i dont think much other people can do

Jedi Priestess: "Many of us read the whole LOTR stuff back in high school and then pretty much forgot about it until the movies came out. SW on the hand sticks with ya forever."

Me: "Take it from another old woman, I've been a LOTR fan for about twenty years, so has my sister, my mum has been one for at the [i]very least thirty years. So just because your experience is that you read LOTR once and then forgot about it, it does NOT speak for everyone, not even close... don't use your own limited experience to draw conclusions about something like LOTR... it has been popular for fifty years, LOTR stays with most people for life... your point is well... pointless because its based on nothing at all, how could that possibly be true when its been popular for so long."[/i]

Jedi Priestess: "I never said my experience spoke for everyone. What I said was "many of us have read it and forgotten about it". Many does not = everyone. If you are going to respond to a quote I make please dont twist the quote. And whether you choose to accept it or not EVERYONE has a point. So saying someones opinion is pointless is well.......rude and speaks volumes to me about your maturity level."

What I took issue with was this: "SW on the hand sticks with ya forever", which strongly implies that you think the inverse is true for LOTR. When I know that precisely the opposite is true. LOTR sticks with you for life, too. Christopher Lee has been reading LOTR once a year, every year for something like 50 years.

I wasn't being rude I was pointing out that I believed that your point was pointless because it makes no sense, it wasn't based on fact, LOTR sticks with you for life too... in fact there is more evidence that LOTR sticks with you for life than Star Wars, because LOTR has been around for a lot longer.

I did NOT say that your opinion was pointless.

I said: "your point is well... pointless"

Do not, put words in my mouth.

Your calling me rude and saying I twisted your quote, then you do exactly what you've just accused me of doing, and I didn't even do what you accused me of doing in the first place. rolleyes1

Jedi Priestess: "I dont recall there being tons of LOTR coventions?"

Me: "There are plenty of LOTR conventions, believe me."

Jedi Priestess: "really? Ive never EVER heard of them. And have they been going strong over 20 years now? Internationally and on the same size and scope as the SW ones? Somehow I doubt that."

I don't recall saying anything that even approaches the comment you just made, I simply said that there were plenty, that simply implies that there are enough LOTR conventions as opposed to your claim that there aren't tons of them. I am simply pointing out that there are enough.

Jedi Priestess: "Whether a person likes SW or LOTR is based on their personal likes and dislikes, but I'd be willing to bet that in the US anyway if you lined people up the SW fanbase would overwhelm the LOTR fan base."

Why even make this point? You can't prove its true and I can't prove it isn't true. So until I see this demonstrated I have no reason to believe that this is the case.

Also when did this become a popularity contest, if you're going to attempt to use that as proof of Star Wars supposed superiority then I will be forced to use those things at my disposal: 11 oscars, second only to the bible in book sales, 'Screen Actors Guild' Award for best ensemble cast and so on...

BTW I know two people, one a 36 year old man and the other a 16 year old kid who used to be Star Wars fans who now prefer LOTR. What does that prove? Nothing. Just like your 'I bet the SW fanbase would overwhelm LOTR fanbase' comment, because neither prove anything.

this is a pretty stupid debate. I love'em both. the saga and the trilogy are my favorite types of movies. I get to jump into any one of them and have hours of entertainment. This is all opinion based so who cares which one is better. Star wars is awsome, Lord of the Rings is amazing, Matrix is cool, and Indiana Jones and Back to the Future are classics.

theres been thousands of LOTR conventions

lucas making star wars in itself was inspired by LOTR, it all has a connection and thats the way things evolutionize from everything else

I Love LotR
but it in no way comes close to the effect star wars had.

After all, nobody reads the silmarillion just to see sauron again

People watch the PT looking for the smallest hint of vader, he had imo the biggest impact any character has had.

I think Steve Mcqueen from the great escape should battle vader

yeah, for some people vader had a big impact, for me vader left my mind as soon as i turned off the vcr, especially when they show him at the end and he's just some bald fat guy

for me thumb wars made more of an impact, it was so damn funny heheh

There has never been a better villain than vader, not even skeletor 😂

whoa...i dont know about that, i mean its skeletor he has a crazy skeleton face and could still talk without his lips!!....as opposed to the menacing fat bald man with nasal problems

yeah but skeletor couldnt beat Heman
I mean come on, a ponse in tight pants, thats all heman is

Vader would kill them all.

vader is one of the greatest screen baddies ever, hes up there with hannibal and norman bates, the guy rocks, and nasal problems dont mean shit when he can kill u just by thinking it.

heman has rippling muscles and a painfully legendary sword lol, sure vader has all the mind stuff, but then why didnt he just kill luke by just thinking it....or han solo....or the princess.........or chewbacca, because they needed a cool ending lol, im pretty sure luke had some "jedi mind block" for all his friends or some bullsh!t

there's another Havoc? 😑

and daronisgod there is nothing to be gained by arguing this subject anymore, you think LOTR is better and I think SW is better pretty much end of story. It's a matter of personal preference.

there is another havoc? lol

I hope that by now you guys saw the Special edition of the original Star Wars triology dvd set. If you have you'll notice that Peter Jackson (in the documentary menu) himself said that he admires the work of Lucas. Almost to the point of admitting that it was inspirational to him.

But! Peter Jackson was referring to the Star Wars of 77 and 83. None of that added stuff in the new edition of Star Wars. Which kinda shows that Lucas vision doesn't quite fit with everyone. Some of us like the way Star Wars originally was and it should stay that way. All these things that Lucas is adding to the original trilogy aren't that bad........but aren't that good either.

peter jackson made his movie after a book that inspired lucas to make star wars, which both inspired peter jackson to make the movies after the book, so theres not really anything to prove, it all basically snowballed from one thing to another and its all what it is now

Your pointing to the inspiration behind the story. The inspiration I was referring to was the one Peter Jackson acknowledges....which is in the visuals of filmaking. And not only Peter Jackson, but also Ridley Scott and James Cameron said it that it was the visuals of Star Wars that inspired them.

Yes, I agree that Lucas did took his inspiration from mythological figures but he didn't mention anything about Tolkien. He does refer to Beowulf and Camelot.

It wasnt the lotr book that inspired PJ

He saw Ralph Bakshis LotR, wanted to be a director some day, ran out and bought lotr trilogy with a bakshi film still on the cover

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
and daronisgod there is nothing to be gained by arguing this subject anymore, you think LOTR is better and I think SW is better pretty much end of story. It's a matter of personal preference.

Now that I definately agree with.

Originally posted by WindDancer
Some of us like the way Star Wars originally was and it should stay that way.

Indeed ✅

PJ was inspired by LOTR, which is why he made the movie, as is any movie made after a book....its an inspiration to put it on film and show it to people who probably never even heard of it, camelot and beowulf were inspirations for tolkien when he made the lotr trilogy, and if you refer to those two books as inspiration to making a movie, there is no doubt that lotr would be another

Ralph Bakshi's lotr, is still made after lotr the book so you really arent proving a point