Batman vs Spiderman

It does make a difference in Spideys favor depending on how you think about it. If he can dodge Carnage even a little. He has. Batman couldn't. No. Batman didn't need sonics or venom, he just needed Joker to scare the living s**t outta Carnage and distract him 1st. You don't seem to be grasping that. You might wanna READ the book again.

I've read the damn book! I have it......it doesn't change the fact that batman kicked his ass without sonics or help....a feat spidey as yet to claim.....

spidey got beat just as bad if not worse in his first encounter you don't seem to be grasping that concept...

Relax. The Joker thing doesn't seem like help to you? If Carnage wasn't distracted he would've diced him. Batman realized that. Be like Batman my friend. Spidey can at least get attacks in on Carnage by himself. And if I remember right, the Spidey sense doesn't work on Carnage. Spidey dodging anything from him is impressive. Bats couldn't. See.

Yeah but batman still beat him up.

Batman would have still been able to beat carnage without the joker being there. But only it would have coursed the fight to go longer making it more dangerous for batman. However the joker was present and present a weakness which would have been foolish for batman not to take advantage of. And this just goes to show that if you show the slightest and I do mean the smallest sign of weakness you are done for in the batman's hands.

I have been out for some time but I have been through the threads. While reading I came across posts that said that if spiderman new martial arts he would be even more focus and powerful. I agree with this statement. But the same can be said for batman. Give batman a suit ala ironman and batman becomes increasingly powerful. The same can be said for superman give superman smarts ala batman then superman is complete. You see each character has a flaw and if that flaw is filled then that character is complete. All I wanted to say here is that the door swing's both ways.

Now ask for DKR I see it as a win for batman against superman. Why because it shows that batman could if he so wanted defeated superman on his own. But he chose to use a different way. Batman had resource in which he could use and which is exactly what he did. And batman being the tactician used them to they're fullest. Hence it was beat down done by batman because he used his innate abilities.

And one last thing I beginning to think that spiderman is not going to KO batman with one, two, three, or four full punches. unless you guys are telling me that spiderman has grown increasing powerful that than a ticked off superman from the future, or a superman who is under control of a red kryptonite. This just goes to show that batman must be doing something right with that Kevlar of his.

What it comes down too is the 6th sense of spiderman to sense danger. Batman is not quick nor powerful enough to handle spiderman face up - this is assuming w/out prep.

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Yeah but batman still beat him up.

Batman would have still been able to beat carnage without the joker being there. But only it would have coursed the fight to go longer making it more dangerous for batman. However the joker was present and present a weakness which would have been foolish for batman not to take advantage of. And this just goes to show that if you show the slightest and I do mean the smallest sign of weakness you are done for in the batman's hands.

I have been out for some time but I have been through the threads. While reading I came across posts that said that if spiderman new martial arts he would be even more focus and powerful. I agree with this statement. But the same can be said for batman. Give batman a suit ala ironman and batman becomes increasingly powerful. The same can be said for superman give superman smarts ala batman then superman is complete. You see each character has a flaw and if that flaw is filled then that character is complete. All I wanted to say here is that the door swing's both ways.

Now ask for DKR I see it as a win for batman against superman. Why because it shows that batman could if he so wanted defeated superman on his own. But he chose to use a different way. Batman had resource in which he could use and which is exactly what he did. And batman being the tactician used them to they're fullest. Hence it was beat down done by batman because he used his innate abilities.

And one last thing I beginning to think that spiderman is not going to KO batman with one, two, three, or four full punches. unless you guys are telling me that spiderman has grown increasing powerful that than a ticked off superman from the future, or a superman who is under control of a red kryptonite. This just goes to show that batman must be doing something right with that Kevlar of his.

Originally posted by brainchild81
I would rather Spidey keep his unorthodox fighting style. It keeps him hard to predict. As for the Carnage thing. We know Bats won, but it's HOW he won that makes me think he'd(No help @ all) never beat Carnage or Spidey w/out prep. If we fought for some odd reason and somebody distracted you while you had me @ a serious disadvantage that you had earned by yourself and I then kicked your a$$, would it be smarter to say "brainchild81 can beat your a$$" or "brainchild81 can beat your a$$ as long as somebody distracts you"? If I beat you with help, does it prove I can beat you without it?

Just because we didn't see it happen doesn't mean that it can't. All we know is of the times where they did fight.

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Originally posted by Kento
What's to stop Spidey from webbing him up? Or pulling anything Batman takes out of his belt with his webs? Spidey can easily just web, and throw him into a wall at the beginning. He doesn't need to know how strong Batman is to do so.

And Batman also hurt Hulk by kicking him. If that's not dumb I don't know what is.

batman can kick through a solid three foot living tree....

actually more deadly since he's an antihero and Spidey is a boyscout hero. . .

seriously...spiderman couldn't punch off sin eaters head with multiple punches with the intent to kill no way he does it to a suited batman...

Secundo : if you say he wanted to kill him, fine. Prove it.

Tertio : Sin-eater had superhuman strength and durability (not much, I know)

you obviously haven't read the comic....a building fell on firelord...then he was caught in an explosion that flattened a city block...then spiderman beat up what was left with a long barrage of punches....

There is no evidence Firelord was hurt by that building.

Doesn't matter if it happened in the comics then eh? If you don't like it it's PIS/CIS. But PIS/CIS or not it happened. You can't just use "PIS/CIS" to brush something off.

Who determines who his official powers are? Marvel. Who writes the comics? Marvel. Who had DD surviving a spider punch, and Cap'n America surviving a spider punch, and DD surviving a Hulk swat? And Wolvie just absorbing a spidey beating? Marvel.

Who has him punching DD's Head off? Not Marvel.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
It still amazes me that some people think that Spiderman wouldn't be able to land a punch on Batman.

Since when is Spiderman untrained?

Spiderman's not exaclty at the top of his potential.

There has still been no plausible argument on why Batman has a clear advantage and a chance in winning.

Originally posted by Blade Cutter
Yes Jinzin you bring up times of SM being hit but when some one brings up BM getting hit you just try to ignore it.

Originally posted by jinzin
"If this is an all out battle then spiderman loses badly because batman does not go into any situation unprepared."

yep that's pretty much the jist of it......even then.....when he wasn't.......he KOed scorpion in 3 blows.....spiderman and him are at the very LEAST equals.....how many times do we see batman go all out using all his weapons, tactical skills, failsafes, martial arts, mystical ninja abilities, batmobile and batwing homing devices, touch of death techniques...etc etc...etc....?

cause it's about 100% less than we see spiderman go "firelord" on somebodies ass....
lol

I had to bring this old post back up just to point out that Batman's full arsenal is not available to him in this fight and what he regularly carries is not limited by any means but it is nowhere near as much as what is implied here... and let's tap on these mystical/magical abilities somewhat shall we...

Originally posted by who?-kid
Hm, I never seen him doing it, and if he did, it was crap writing...
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Since when is Batman the anti-hero ? Do you actually know what an anti-hero is ?

notworthy Where can I subscribe to your brand of blind fanboyism and ignorance? notworthy

Originally posted by Creshosk
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notworthy Where can I subscribe to your brand of blind fanboyism and ignorance? notworthy

Originally posted by jinzin
one of his handbooks/annuals....

And Creshosk, Batman is no anti-hero. He's just a hero that plays dirty.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
And Creshosk, Batman is no anti-hero. He's just a hero that plays dirty.

That's actually what an antihero is. Batman and Wolverine are both the mort popular antiheros I think.

Batman was the original antihero, even if he wasn't as dark as he is now, he was still dark for his time.

http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=antihero

A hero who plays dirty is an antihero.

Originally posted by Creshosk
That's actually what an antihero is. Batman and Wolverine are both the mort popular antiheros I think.

Batman was the original antihero, even if he wasn't as dark as he is now, he was still dark for his time.

http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=antihero

A hero who plays dirty is an antihero.

It's not because he's lots of times in a bad mood and likes to dress in black, he's suddenly an anti-hero.

Playing dirty has nothing to do with being an anti-hero.

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Originally posted by Creshosk
That's actually what an antihero is. Batman and Wolverine are both the mort popular antiheros I think.

Batman was the original antihero, even if he wasn't as dark as he is now, he was still dark for his time.

http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=antihero

A hero who plays dirty is an antihero.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=anti-hero
He's a boyscout hero + spy.
An anti-hero is like a person who fights like a villain for the good. I don't see Batman killing people and crap.

Wolverine... yeah, he's anti-hero.

Originally posted by jinzin
'Not is Batman perhaps the ultimate unarmed combatant on the face of the planet due to the sheer amount of the different arts he masters but he is also a master shadow warrior, a ninja of true legend, a master rivaled by only a handful by men.
Under Kirigi, Tsunetomo and Chu Chin Li and then expanded by Cain Batman has learnt the art of the ninja but also the art of the Tao and the Chinese assassin, making him much, much more dangerous than a normal ninja. First of all he is one of the foremost combatants on Earth, with or without his weapons, but his further training has expanded his senses and skills to the level of rivaling metahumans.

Batman is a master of Haragei, a master who has expanded his physical senses over this plane of existence to another and thus becoming hyper aware of his surroundings without appearing to really being anything different from others. He is keenly aware of everything going on around him and also the microscopic and the astral world around himself. Furthermore he can feel that world around himself and thus being one of the most difficult targets for telepathy and also telepathic obfuscation. Along these lines the Bat has learnt and masters both the Sakki and Kiai. Kiai is the ability to feel the intent and thus be able to act accordingly. However Sakki is the force of the intention and with these three pillars the Bat can take the physical battle to another level, to the psychological, the mental plane. The Sakki and Kiai, completed with the mastery of Haragei can be used as physical weapons, a force of wills where every blow is even stronger than the physical ones. As a ninja and a master of haragei, Batman has learnt to cope without his sensory input, making him able to fight and function without any sort of handicap should he lose his sight or hearing, or other senses. The fact is that the Bat is far beyond the human senses and even though they are handy, they're not needed.

Chi is another facet and a tactic the Batman uses, much like Sakki, it can be projected through the combat. Batman has been shown, on numerous occasions, to be able to perform feats impossible to humans. He has been shown to kick down trees, punch through concrete and mortar walls. He can project his Chi out of his body and aid him physically, because of this it is no big feat for him to punch through living trees and walls. By focusing his Chi inside his body he can ignore the physical damage and pain he receives. Through his training, Batman has trained himself to ignore exhaustion, sleep deprivation, emotions and also pain and agony. To anyone looking at the Bat, there is nothing remotely human about him other than the chin. As a Bat, when under control, he feels no emotions, no fear, no love, he is completely indifferent to the world around himself and thus he is in tune with it as Tao teaches. He flows from one motion to another in the river of life, this granting him the sixth sense, intuism he always listens to, the thing that has saved his life on many occasions.

This form, this Tao was taught to him by Mistress Shao-La in the Himalayas. Bruce Wayne had heard about a master with great power residing in the mountains and the young boy wanted to learn more. He went to the master who'd teach him the Tao and also self-control. The light side of this force would give him the control over his emotions and the ability to be in tune with the world, but it wasn't enough for him. Bruce Wayne wanted power, true power and after Shao-La told him about Master H'Sien Tan he would venture out there and learn.

From H'Sien Tan Bruce Wayne learnt the path of personal power. He learnt from the man that he had two destinies and by choosing one of them he'd receive everything he had ever wanted and the second would make him nearly omnipotent. This path would be the path of personal power he sought to avenge and to protect. In time it would also consume him. This little story is part of the package H'Sien Tan taught Bruce. The acceptance. The acceptance of one's fate, one's death and one's power. It was also a craft he taught to Bruce, to know, to feel the world and the energies around himself, to harness those energies and glean answers from them. This form of spiritualism has served Bruce well, but also it has twisted him and he has found ways to distort it, making him appear the victim even if he has wanted it. From H'Sien Tan he also learnt a way to control himself, not just his emotions but his body. Bruce is capable of, instinctually, command his body to stop bleeding, force healing on himself and even more importantly, he is able to ignore the toll exhaustion and the lack of sleep inflicts on him. Also Tan taught him the way to slow down his heart, the flow of his blood, to the level of dying and yet remaining alive.'
CONT....

Sorry to say this but if this where completely accurate then Batman would have no equal in combat of any sort and would also be nigh invincible. Despite Batman's fatigue Bane would have been in way over his head and easily defeated by the abilities described above.

The fact of the matter is that there is a tremendous difference between learning and mastering anything and even though I credit Batman's supporters with making very good arguments, ( Especially jinzin, lifes a glitch, and mercilous... I don't get paid to give yall props so take it as the compliment it is) I believe most of you are under the incorrect assumption that Batman has mastered all 127 different forms of the martial arts, and the truth is that he has LEARNED them all. Mastery of a language is less difficult and there are few that are masters of their own native language. ( You'd have to know every word in the vocab for starters and then there's punctuation!)

Mastery is a very very big word although it is easily confused with proficiency which simply means being good at something. The difference is truly miles apart because mastery is no less than absolute perfection put to practise.

I read a detailed book on the Bat and that is where I read that he had learned (not mastered)all 127 forms of martial arts. I would think that a book based on Batman wouldn't make an error on that fact because that would be as big of an error as stating that Spidey has human strength.

I also read that on his first night crime-fighting he was almost killed and that wouldn't happen to someone with all of the skills mentioned above. There is no convincing me that Batman would hold back on skills that would make all the diiference between victory and defeat. Anyone with all the skills listed in the above post would make short work out of Spider-man's rouge gallery, then Batman's, and still humiliate Bane. But all of those abilities WOULD be available for repeated use by someone who has MASTERED all 127 forms of martial arts. Batman has not mastered 127 forms of martial arts.

I also found out that Spider-man isn't the only one who has been given a hard time by martial artitists. Batman's defensees have been penetrated by Lady Shiva and by the two female bodygaurds employed by the Riddler.

That means that Batman's superiority to the martial artists in Marvel is completely assumed and opinionated, for there's No evidence that he is not INFERIOR to many of Marvel's martial artists.( how many of marvels martial artists have been broken despite facing opponents way tougher and stronger than Bane?) Though the origins of their training may be unknown Batman's skills are not made more potent due to the fact that we have details on who his teachers were. We're discussing two entirely different universes here.

Now that I've pointed out that Batman's H2H skills are drastically overestimated ( Black turantula could likely kill Scorpion with one well placed kick) I'd now like to point out that Spider-man is being drastically underestimated. The three foot thick tree (which I saw a picture of and is obviously three feet in diameter not three feet from one side to the other) that young Bruce kicked through would be snapped like a twig and thrown by young Spidey. His speed was enough to tackle quicksilver, after he had stated that Spidey couldn't possibly catch him unaware's due to his superior speed. He was facing Spidey the whole time.

It is also assumed that Spidey will punch and kick but he is far more verstile than that. One chop from Spidey will surely kill Batman or leave him depending on his last resort electric failsafe in his costume. Spidey would web him up before falling for such a booby-trap because it is not a unique defense. Batman's batarang's and pellets are much too slow to tag Spidey who has succesfully evaded blasts of solid light from the lightmaster.

There is no prep-time in this fight and prep-time is what the punisher used to hang with Spider-man. Batman's a better tactician but this fight only gives him his regular weapons and gadgets so if he created something to battle spidey with after their first encounter, too bad, cause he doesn't have it on him now. He regularly carries batarangs, smoke,knockout, teargas, and regurgitant pellets, a few grenades, cuffs, and a couple of Batbolas, according to the book I read. (sorry I can't recall the title but I wasn't going to buy the book!)

Batman could win 10% of the time against Spider-man with a combination of skill and luck but 90% of the time he would lose.
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Originally posted by Creshosk
That's actually what an antihero is. Batman and Wolverine are both the mort popular antiheros I think.

Batman was the original antihero, even if he wasn't as dark as he is now, he was still dark for his time.

http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=antihero

A hero who plays dirty is an antihero.

Batman ain't no anti-hero. He's not a super hero. He's a detective + hero.

Sorry, but I just read some Anti-Hero remarks...

An Anti-Hero is someone who fights crime but gives no mercy to the crimee's.
Like, lets say a thug is robbing an old lady, Spiderman would save her and put him in jail, Whereas Venom, The Punisher, Ghost Rider, ETC. Would completely slaughter the thug, thats an Anti-Hero.

Originally posted by The MISTER
The three foot thick tree (which I saw a picture of and is obviously three feet in diameter not three feet from one side to the other)

Wait a minute, diameter is the same as thickness. Do you mean 3 feet around? Aka, circumference.

Boo and Yeah! Mister.