Juggernaut Vs. Thor

onslaught made juggernaut his b.itch, punched him miles, but the problem was the onslaught saga was not consistent with the preceeding x-universe, they downplayed jugs powers somewhat.

im a big fan of thor and juggernaut, it'd be close but i think maybe juggs'd scrape it

Wow, you guys are really screwed up in a lot of things. One, Thor's victories did not come only with teleporting Juggernaut away, as I've said before. He beat Juggernaut plain and simple in 429, bashed him around like a Georgia-boy does his wife. As for Thor being more powerful than Silver Surfer? Yes. Yes he is.

Jugs is only a fraction of Cytorak's power...if someone on earth or anywhere else applies physical force greater than the power of Cytorak then Jugs is getting taken out...fall short of that threshold though and he wont feel it.

I like that assessment. Too bad Marvel never said that in the first place, I swear the writers show up to the board meetings having just rolled out of bed and half the time aren't even cognizant when they're coming up with things.

yea thats why i think it makes perfest sense for Onslaught to beat Jugs....once u pass that threshold Jugs will fold like a little ho....he is not mentally tough like Thing or colossus, he can be like that cuz he doesnt have to deal with the pain....Thing and Colossus both fought Champion until they were nearly killed and thing kept crawling after him when he couldnt stand anymore....Jugs wakes up from Onslaught and started running for his life until he found out he wasnt in canada anymore (not even a real country anyway)

Jugs Durability isnt based on his power (which is supposed to be infinite itself by the way) it is based on the very fabric of reality.

you cant surpass his durability with just plain phsyical force. unless you can exert enough physical pressure (some extremely high cosmic beings on the heirarchy may be able to do this) that you render reality itself assunder.

the way it was explained to me....... i'm going to relate to you just so you know.

if you drop a glass of water, its going to fall down. no matter how strong the guy is dropping it, its never going to fall up. no matter how strong the guy is, he will -never- hurt juggernaut by physical force.

There's the Onslaught thing though that people will always bring up. I think he willed the gem out of Juggernaut and that's what caused the most damage. Or it was a trance/dream sequence. Depends on the hour of the day for me.

I know this debate is over, but thought I'd just clarify: Thor DID push back Juggernaut in 412, using his godforce he shoved Juggernaut backwards until the cement collapsed. Jugs was freaked out because that had never happened to him. Granted, Thor had to pull out his big guns for that, but when you've got 'em, flaunt 'em.

but juggernaut said he would have overcome the godforce if given time, he just had to start moving forward again. i tend to agree with him, vs. thor.

but none the less an impressive feat.

Hmm, I don't know, remember the caption said Juggernaut was struggling and trying to regain his forward momentum, but they never said whether he was succeeding in that or not, as that was when the ground fell out. I think if Thor kept using the godforce, it would ultimately kill him or send him flying, but I'm not entirely sure how long Thor can sustain that power.

Juggernaut's durability is based on how much cytorak is feeding him at that moment. His durability can be overcome if cytorak's enchantment is overcome by a more powerful force.

yep...he cannot just will more power than Cytorak grants him...the glass of water explanation was nice...but sounds more like fanboyism...Jugs power comes from Cyttorak, if an opponent demonstrates more greater power or greater power than Cytorak himslef, he breaks the threshold...I would agree with the reality thing if his power was from TOAA, but its not, its from Cyttorak

Originally posted by Wynndar
yep...he cannot just will more power than Cytorak grants him...the glass of water explanation was nice...but sounds more like fanboyism...Jugs power comes from Cyttorak, if an opponent demonstrates more greater power or greater power than Cytorak himslef, he breaks the threshold...I would agree with the reality thing if his power was from TOAA, but its not, its from Cyttorak

cyttorak controls the crimson bands of cyttorak (the very thing that holds the universe together).

you have to over come reality itself to hurt juggernaut. its not fanboyism, unless you have a mystically enhanced weapon, you are not gonna hurt juggernaut.

stop it with the juggy threads?? He can't be physically hurt, period. Juggy is a lame a$$ cheap bastard. Every other hard hitter is cooler than him.....like Namor (who beat Thing and the Hulk).

I'd say injure instead of hurt. The sonics Nimrod used hurt him enough to make him pass out but he wasn't injured for instance.

Originally posted by JuggernautFan
cyttorak controls the crimson bands of cyttorak (the very thing that holds the universe together).

you have to over come reality itself to hurt juggernaut. its not fanboyism, unless you have a mystically enhanced weapon, you are not gonna hurt juggernaut.

Is Cyttorak an actual being? If so, has he been shown and what the hell is he if he's powerful enough to hold the universe together?

Originally posted by Spiderninja008
stop it with the juggy threads?? He can't be physically hurt, period. Juggy is a lame a$$ cheap bastard. Every other hard hitter is cooler than him.....like Namor (who beat Thing and the Hulk).

What? When the hell did he beat the Hulk outside of water?

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I'd say injure instead of hurt. The sonics Nimrod used hurt him enough to make him pass out but he wasn't injured for instance.

it caused paralysis, it didnt hurt him.

Originally posted by wrathofachilles
Is Cyttorak an actual being? If so, has he been shown and what the hell is he if he's powerful enough to hold the universe together?

well thats the problem, he hasnt been shown all that much.

Originally posted by wrathofachilles
What? When the hell did he beat the Hulk outside of water?

it didnt say "outside of water" it said namor beat hulk and thing.