Originally posted by JuggernautFan
well, have you ever been setting around doing something..... lets say lifting weights and made grunting......unhph noises?? i think so. or lets say setting on the toilet....... does it hurt??? no....... but do you grunt amongst other noises ??? yes......... same thing.
anyways, i think thor would beat the crap out of juggernaut
Juggernaut is strong, invulnerable to a degree, and can withstand psychic attacks while wearing his helmet.
...wow.
Thor is Juggernaut's equal in strength, has thousands of years more experience fighting, has limited invulnerability, his Warrior's Madness which increases his strength 10-fold, has Mjolnir (which controls weather, grants him flight, projects blasts of mystical energy, allows him to travel interdimensionally, can absorb and redirect energy, projects a Godly Essence Blast, can nullify all energy, can detect energy sources), and has a high degree of resistantance to psi-attacks.
That's Classic Thor.
King Thor is Classic Thor on steroids (I do not feel like expounding on the "Odin Force"😉. So yes, both Classic and King Thor are more powerful than ANY incarnation of Juggernaut, regardless of this long-in-tooth hemming and hawing in the thread.
As regards to Bush...blah, never mind.
Thor needed battlefield removal to win, and even then the first time he needed a distraction to set up a portal. If the arena's enclosed, he ain't tossing Jugg's to the moon again..
It took everything Thor had in him and his hammer to stop Juggernaut. This is quite a feat, no doubt about it, but that's a far cry from knocking him out.
Of course, Thor has opened up much bigger wh00p@$$ on a Celestial (2 different times), on Galactus at least once. I'm sure he could pull out an even greater pounding on Juggernaut. But these types of blasts are more on the order of a Dragon Ball Z power up, grunting, calling on the Odin energies built up inside the hammer, etc. These levels of power are virtually full-blown Odin-level, which would cause Cyttorak himself to be wary of a blast from it.
In the Arena, Thor would not hesitate to whip out a blast that could "destroy buildings on the other side of the planet". And if it cracks a hole in Celestial armor, Juggernaut is knocked out, minimum, probably severely damaged, and only kept alive by the Juggernaut magic.
Then at that point, Thor might be able to use the god-absorbing trick he learned from his friend Atum inside the sun (also used against Onslaught) and somehow sever the link between Juggernaut and Cyttorak, or the gem, or whatever.
To do all this, though, he'd need time. Which I guess he would have if he just floated way up in the air.
Thats all i have 🙁
So what.
Thor has beaten Silver Surfer. Is he more powerful than Silver Surfer?
Spiderman has beaten Firelord. Is he more powerful than Firelord?
Amazingly in ONE comic book, Juggernaut withstood the same GEB that pierced the armor of a celestial, sent Galactus packing, and destroyed The Midgard Serpent.
In ANOTHER comic book, Onslaught backhanded him from Canada to New York and left him smoking. Guess which depiction was garbage? That's right, the FIRST one.
In one comic book, Juggernaut "destroyed dimensional barriers." Wooo. In ANOTHER comic book, he struggled to knock out Venom. Guess which depiction was garbage? That's right, the SECOND one.
LoL, someone name for us Juggernaut's most powerful feat of STRENGTH where he LIFTED something. Hulk's? 150 billion tons. Thor's? Lifting The Midgard Serpent, whose weight causes the Earth to groan. For your edification:
Powers/Abilities: The Midgard Serpent possesses superhuman strength in excess of class 100, and is virtually invulnerable. The serpent normally exists in an ethereal form around Earth, but by making itself solid, can crush the Earth itself within its coils. When it becomes solid, it causes time to freeze, leaving only those from Asgard unfrozen. The serpent can also assume other forms, such as that of a cat, and of the alien dragon Fin Fang Foom. The serpent also produces a venom which is lethal even to the gods of Asgard, and can fire energy blasts from its eyes. The serpent can also fly, breathe both underwater and in the vacuum of space, and has powerful teeth and claws.
Height: 22'9"
Weight: Unmeasured <----------------------
Eyes: Red
Hair: None
I know hyperbole in comic books when I see it. Do you?
Originally posted by Never
So what.Thor has beaten Silver Surfer. Is he more powerful than Silver Surfer?
Spiderman has beaten Firelord. Is he more powerful than Firelord?
Amazingly in ONE comic book, Juggernaut withstood the same GEB that pierced the armor of a celestial, sent Galactus packing, and destroyed The Midgard Serpent.
In ANOTHER comic book, Onslaught backhanded him from Canada to New York and left him smoking. Guess which depiction was garbage? That's right, the FIRST one.
In one comic book, Juggernaut "destroyed dimensional barriers." Wooo. In ANOTHER comic book, he struggled to knock out Venom. Guess which depiction was garbage? That's right, the SECOND one.
LoL, someone name for us Juggernaut's most powerful feat of STRENGTH where he LIFTED something. Hulk's? 150 billion tons. Thor's? Lifting The Midgard Serpent, whose weight causes the Earth to groan. For your edification:
Powers/Abilities: The Midgard Serpent possesses superhuman strength in excess of class 100, and is virtually invulnerable. The serpent normally exists in an ethereal form around Earth, but by making itself solid, can crush the Earth itself within its coils. When it becomes solid, it causes time to freeze, leaving only those from Asgard unfrozen. The serpent can also assume other forms, such as that of a cat, and of the alien dragon Fin Fang Foom. The serpent also produces a venom which is lethal even to the gods of Asgard, and can fire energy blasts from its eyes. The serpent can also fly, breathe both underwater and in the vacuum of space, and has powerful teeth and claws.
Height: 22'9"
Weight: Unmeasured <----------------------
Eyes: Red
Hair: NoneI know hyperbole in comic books when I see it. Do you?
i think i put the "thats all i have 🙁" for a reason 🙂
Originally posted by Never
Amazingly in ONE comic book, Juggernaut withstood the same GEB that pierced the armor of a celestial, sent Galactus packing, and destroyed The Midgard Serpent.In ANOTHER comic book, Onslaught backhanded him from Canada to New York and left him smoking. Guess which depiction was garbage? That's right, the FIRST one.
Ehh... I haven't seen anybody else complaining about the first one but the second one gets all kinds of flak. Onslaught was quite a powerful force nontheless. And I think Juggernaut had recently had power troubles at that time. I don't quite remember.
The second one gets flak from the two very biased Juggernaut..."fans" on this messageboard. I find it AMUSING that they question Onslaught's ability to backhand an overrated Juggernaut that far when it took every available hero's combined might to take down Onslaught.
As if...Juggernaut > the combined might of those characters. Hilarity.
You saw no one complaining about the first one for similar reasons. I **know** that is pure, unadulterated horse poo. Nothing short of very biased writing would allow Juggernaut to withstand an otherWORLDLY force capable of piercing the armor of a Celestial.
Sadly enough, many subscribe to this type of hyberpole...one very ignorant boardie once opined that "if the Beyonder let loose an energy blast that destroyed the UNIVERSE, only Juggernaut would be left!"
Oh. My. God.
No, Juggernaut did not have "power troubles." He was AFRAID of Onslaught.
Originally posted by Never
The second one gets flak from the two very biased Juggernaut..."fans" on this messageboard. I find it AMUSING that they question Onslaught's ability to backhand an overrated Juggernaut that far when it took every available hero's combined might to take down Onslaught.As if...Juggernaut > the combined might of those characters. Hilarity.
It's actually from other people who think the whole story was stupid.
And that'd probably be the case if you love assumptions.
I don't like it because that kind of physical strength wasn't even in the Onslaught mix. Even War Hulk didn't get that kind of distance on Juggernaut.
Sadly enough, many subscribe to this type of hyberpole...one very ignorant boardie once opined that "if the Beyonder let loose an energy blast that destroyed the UNIVERSE, only Juggernaut would be left!"
Oh. My. God.
I wouldn't doubt it. He's survived a lot of damage and it's not like Cyttorak is in this universe. It all depends on the feed.
No, Juggernaut did not have "power troubles." He was AFRAID of Onslaught.
You sure? There's a lot of times where people are trying to fiddle with his powers.
"A lot of damage" and a blast from The Beyonder that destroys a universe is not even comparable. Juggernaut is not nearly the powerful. LoL, Dr. Doom absorbed Galactus' entire homeworld and was still not powerful enough.
And Classic Juggernauts is? Heh.
As regards to Juggernaut having power problems, I am quite certain. He was not missing anything...which is probably why he was still alive as opposed to being a brown streak.