How come Moff Tarkin is higher on the food chain than Darth Vader?

Originally posted by focus4chumps
even if a minor difference in insignias exists, there may be different levels of general which could explain it. for an american example: 1 star/brigadier gen, 2 star/major gen, 3 star/lieutenant gen, 4 star/chief of staff.

:edit: before ddm gets excited and jumps all over this, i'm just using this as a line of reasoning and not attempting a direct comparrison to the u.s. military command structure...especially since our navy and coast guard have admirals but no generals, and vice versa for the other military branches.

Just saw this: yeah, he was an admiral and the credits are wrong (mistakes can happen). The other dude I mentioned was a general.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Troll harder:

By Admiral Ozzel, I meant the Admiral choked out, not the admiral promoted. The admiral promoted was Piett. Even if context implies otherwise, you don't get to choose what I meant.

If you knew who Griff was, you'd understand why I confused him for Ozzel: Ozzel replaced Griff after Griff died. It was literally a Freudian slip.

i guess its not over yet 😂

yes im totally trolling you by quoting the exact course of that topical exchange. better report me.

Don't be utterly ridiculous dadude. It's immensely obvious you cocked up with the names, and you are in no position to get so awkward about it. Mockery is well warranted when you become that evasive, and focus' quote chain sums up the situation well. You directly said 'Vader promoted him to Admiral in ESB'. That's nothing to do with any EU character, nor does it refer to Ozzel, and the whole mis-understanding is entirely on you.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Don't be utterly ridiculous dadude. It's immensely obvious you cocked up with the names, and you are in no position to get so awkward about it. Mockery is well warranted when you become that evasive, and focus' quote chain sums up the situation well. You directly said 'Vader promoted him to Admiral in ESB'. That's nothing to do with any EU character, nor does it refer to Ozzel, and the whole mis-understanding is entirely on you.

Okay. But by "him" I literally meant Piett, not Ozzel. This is why I said, "You knew what i meant" because it amounts to nothing more than petty squabbling just to say, "AHA! I got you on something!" which is what half of these points being discussed really are.

I apologize for the confusion.

But I did not know we could mock other posters. I thought you got onto me for talking down to other posters, before, and even said I would be banned if I continued to do it? Is that just a rule for me due to my past or does that apply to everyone?

Right, well, these things happen- let's move it on.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Okay. But by "him" I literally meant Piett, not Ozzel. This is why I said, "You knew what i meant" because it amounts to nothing more than petty squabbling just to say, "AHA! I got you on something!" which is what half of these points being discussed really are.

I apologize for the confusion.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
But I did not know we could mock other posters. I thought you got onto me for talking down to other posters, before, and even said I would be banned if I continued to do it? Is that just a rule for me due to my past or does that apply to everyone?

oh dear lord

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Right, well, these things happen- let's move it on.

Okay. No problem. Moving on.

So we all agree that Vader was just given ad-hoc authority based on assignment from the Emperor or are there still disagreements about his authority?

That Admiral who gets choked out was Mr. Bronson in Grange Hill, I always love seeing him get choked out in ESB 'cos Mr. Bronson was a ****. He also played Hitler in Indy 3.

And Julian Glover (Veers/Pycelle) was the guy who hired Indy in Indy 3 too. Both he and Michael Sheard (Ozzel) are known for Doctor Who roles also. And Peter Cushing played Dr. Who in the 60s movies, and the guy who told Tarkin to abandon ship also played an evil Federation Officer in a very similar role in Blake's 7 about a year later.

You can go on forever with all this, basically. GL made common use of the British acting talent pool.

I guess I'll shut up then.

Originally posted by dadudemon

None of this drivel is relevant, at all. It is not worth replying to.

Case in point: he was called captain by Vader, and then Admiral by Vader in the same conversation. Vader gave the promotion.

Oh it is you who are mistaken....about a great many thinnngs.
I was bang on target.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Oh it is you who are mistaken....about a great many thinnngs.
I was bang on target.

YouTube video

Not sure why Piett is thanking Vader after Vader says, "You are now in command, Admiral Piett" after he just called him "Captain Piett" a few seconds prior.

and back down the rabbit-hole we go.

nobody has once argued that vader did not promote anyone.

again: "battlefield promotion"

This. /\

Originally posted by dadudemon
YouTube video

Not sure why Piett is thanking Vader after Vader says, "You are now in command, Admiral Piett" after he just called him "Captain Piett" a few seconds prior.

To be fair, all that tells us is that Vader can (perhaps through the force) correctly address people by their rank. How they got the rank is not clear.

or simply that via linear deduction he knew that piette was the de facto admiral. another possibility. but we dont deal in possibilties here.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
and back down the rabbit-hole we go.

nobody has once argued that vader did not promote anyone.

again: "battlefield promotion"

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
This. /\

Forgive me if I don't go back through posts and requote them and then post put up a bunch of smilies.

Originally posted by Bardock42
To be fair, all that tells us is that Vader can (perhaps through the force) correctly address people by their rank. How they got the rank is not clear.

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Originally posted by focus4chumps
or simply that via linear deduction he knew that piette was the de facto admiral. another possibility. but we dont deal in possibilties here.

So Vader promoted him to Admiral or he didn't?

Originally posted by dadudemon

So Vader promoted him to Admiral or he didn't?

Originally posted by focus4chumps

ddm, this is called a "debate". its what people do when there is no objective fact answering and closing the topic. in this case, people present plausible explanations and compare/contrast.

So no direct answer or even an attempt to directly answer the question? No problem. Thanks for the discussion. 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
So no direct answer or even an attempt to directly answer the question? No problem. Thanks for the discussion. 🙂

i believe its well implied that vader gave piette a battfield promotion. just pointing out the possibility that it was simply a de fact promotion since piette was presumably left as the most senior officer.

possibilities, ddm.