Villain For Spider-Man 3?

Originally posted by spencerspider
um who says Brock has to be in Spiderman 3? nobody has said that he needs to be in it. nobody has confirmed that he is in it. and trust me to get venom in it will take about 2 movies maybe 3. thats y i always say 6. finish harry then start symbiote for 4 continue through 5 and end with venom in 6. very simple

Exactly.

I laugh at how people try to ignore what happened with Harry at the end of SM-2 and say he won't be a Goblin.

What do you think he'll be doing in SM-3?? Baking cookies??? Mowing Aunt May's lawn for her???

Harry's going to be hopping on a glider in SM-3.Count on it.

Thank you Ock. Him turning good to save Peter might work. But at least have one fight where he is bad. If Venom and Sandman and Goblin is in it though that would be sorta long i think.

Originally posted by spencerspider
Thank you Ock. Him turning good to save Peter might work. But at least have one fight where he is bad. If Venom and Sandman and Goblin is in it though that would be sorta long i think.

Like Ock or someone said before, Venom is not really confirmed. But he was said to be in the movie by dunst.

She could be right...Sp3 is probably in production and the script my still be in work when she was told it was venom. But scripts could change. SP2 was supposed to have black kat, but they changed it.

She said Lizard was gonna be in 2 I think. She lied she is a liar and needs to die in Spidy 3

Originally posted by spencerspider
She said Lizard was gonna be in 2 I think. She lied she is a liar and needs to die in Spidy 3

I assume you say she should die because its kirsten dunst...and whats so special about her?! she's not that great of an actress, why did raimi cast her

um I say she die cuz I hate her

Originally posted by Silverstein
Venom is not really confirmed. But he was said to be in the movie by dunst.

lol

Originally posted by Doc Ock
Exactly.

I laugh at how people try to ignore what happened with Harry at the end of SM-2 and say he won't be a Goblin.

What do you think he'll be doing in SM-3?? Baking cookies??? Mowing Aunt May's lawn for her???

Harry's going to be hopping on a glider in SM-3.Count on it.

I really dont agree with you and here's why:

I have watched Spiderman 2 more times than heinz has tomatoes, and the ending with Harry does not point to him being a goblin. There is even an interveiw with Sam and he states what I'm about to say also (he said it as an idea though, he wasnt about to confirm anythign that early.)

At the end of Spiderman 2 we saw Harry see his dad in the mirror. His dad told harry to avenge him, Harry told him Peter is his freind and smahsed the mirror, their he found the secret room with the glider, GG suit Etc.......

Now that was if anyone forgot what happend, now for what I think, harry through the object through the glass , and then found the suit. If Harry has even the smallest amount of intelligence in his body, which he does(a 4 year old could figure this out), he would put 1 and 1 together and realize his dad was a mass murderer, and that he did terrible things, he then realizes Peter did the right thing in stopping him.

Now in SP3, if the Dunst confirmation is real, Spidey will have alot more to deal with than Harry, and alot more screen time will have to go to Brock and Venom if he is in it. Harry will battle the voices again and overcome them. Then like evil seed wrote earlier which I agree what he said exactly, Harry we see peter in extreme danger in a final fight scene with venom and maybe sandman aswell, he will then suit up in the goblin suit, load up on those bomb things and any other gagets his dad had, hop on the glider and coem to the rescue, or help at least.

Then in the final battle it will be Spiderman and Harry (GG) Vs. Sandman and Venom, or maybe just Venom, since he is a supervillain, one alot stronger than Peter.

Until the movie comes out, or the villains are officially announced we will not know the truth. But I think that is a lot better analogy than just saying he will all of a sudden get super powers in a lab and becaome an even more dangerous goblin.

A. We saw it already so it will prevent people from going
B. Alot of people who never read the comics are seeing the movies, and like it or not they are going to appeal to everyone, not just the comic fans, so they wont have 2 of the same villains in 2 of the 3 movies, it would be suiced. There would be alot of dissapointed people.

Ahh so their you have it, like it or not its what I think......Now i need to get back to work...Cya guys later and tell me what you think.

A and B were the same thing dude. Having him not be a goblin would force many not to go. It is time. I don't think he should be like the main villain or anything. Have like 1 fight with him being bad. Then save Peter at end if you are going down that road. Venom should not be in it that would be too long. And Sandman as well who I think is going to die like during the middle of the movie or middle/end. If Venom is in it (big mistake) but then have Harry help him out in the end. That wouldn't be too bad but I think it is a mistake.

1. Nobody knew that Harry was going to be shown at the end of the film like that, and that didn't prevent anyone from going.

2. I love how people laugh at the fact that Venom has been mentioned by one of the primary leads, and they say not to believe it - yet nobody goes "well Sandman was only mentioned by Dunst so..."

3. Christopher Nolan has stated that the Joker card at the end of Batman Begins DOES NOT mean 100% that they will throw Joker in the next movie. It was a nod to it but it does not SET IT IN STONE. People, come on, don't be so easily influenced. How many films have you seen in your lifetime that have an easy set up for a sequel but do not have one? That proves right there that if you say something in a film, it doesn't necessarily have to follow that strict pattern. Prequels don't either. Remember Episode 2's whole plot with the Jedi that erased the files? Big part of the movie. Did we see or hear for that matter ANYTHING that has to do with that in Episode 3, or 4, or 5, or 6???? No. So just because Harry LOOKED at the goblin equipment, DOES NOT, under any circumstances, PROVE that he in fact took dosages and is now a menace. Especially when you have Raimi saying himself that he might not choose to go that way.

Harry being a goblin was never set in stone. Nothing is set in stone. Right now this is what we know for a fact:

A. Tobey Maguire will be in it, playing the same roles as before
B. Kirsten Dunst will be in it, playing the same role as before.
C. Sam Raimi will direct again
D. Noteable recurring roles are virtually a done deal, such as JJJ, Aunt May, Harry Osborn, Betty, Robbie, and that one guy that pops up and says about Dr. Strange and whatnot.
E. Thomas Haden Church and Topher Grace have been cast in it.
F. A lead character has stated that they will play Sandman and Venom respectively, and one holds a resemblance to Sandman, and the other...

...holds a resemblance to "Ultimate Spider-Man" Venom.

The fact of the matter for you Goblin fanatics, is that, yes, he's making this for the true Spider-Man fans, and if you are a true fan, you know that he becomes GG2 (which makes me laugh when I hear people say that he should be Hobgoblin, but they say they're the only type of fan that cares about continuity) --- however...Raimi is also looking to make money, as is Sony, and how do they do that? Not by attracting only the relatively in depth fans of the subject, but by generating the populace that they got to come out for the first two ----EVERYBODY. Women, men, children, and adults ALL went to go see the first two, because it captured their interest. Would you go see every Batman movie if every time they did it, they focused on Mr. Freeze? No. It wouldn't be fresh and exciting. If they make Green Goblin 2 or even the Hobgoblin for you "non-continuity die hard fans", people will not be excited about it. We've seen it, big deal. Contrary to what they should do, some people watch the third movie before they see the first two, so you need to attract them to want to see it. If you advertise the movie as "Peter Parker must face his greatest enemy...his closest friend." and people haven't seen the first two, they won't give a damn. The idiot will go "didn't he already fight that green guy in the first one?"

Balancing out your films, creating your films for a general audience, and just storytelling in itself, proves that you people will not be seeing Green Goblin as the major focus point of this film, UNLESS the RARE chance happens that Raimi decides to speed along the origins and stories of both Sandman and Venom (or whoever the hell you think they're gonna be) which, yes, would piss off the fans, both big and small. You think people that don't love the comics are gonna be more excited about another Green Goblin than a beastly dude that kicks Spider-Man's ass and looks HUGE and black and ferocious in comparison? Not a chance.

um listen here Batman Begins showed a card whoopde doo dont mean crap. i didnt think joker is a guarentee so that has nothing to do with Raimi anyway. I am glad you brought that up by the way, Harry found green goblin crap. batman found a card ooh. also harry is crazy. look at this goblin crap o well wonder what its doing here. he aint gonna say that, he is gonna say i can finally get back at Spiderman for what he has done to me. and going by u ur number 2 contradicts your f. you say the guy looks just like sandman but in 2 you say dunst mentioned sandman as well so that doesn't mean nothing if thats what we say about venom. f says sandman looks just like him so that is a little weird. for the star wars thing are you an idiot? they practically said it in 2. Dooku did it you dumbass. o and in 3 they were in the middle of a war, 4,5,6, they happened 30 yrs after the war so that was just stupid to bring that up.
hopefully you are smart enough to understand that.

Originally posted by NoFate007

2. I love how people laugh at the fact that Venom has been mentioned by one of the primary leads, and they say not to believe it - yet nobody goes "well Sandman was only mentioned by Dunst so..."

Dunst said we were getting the Lizard in SM-2 with Ock and look how that turned out.

Harry will become a Goblin.No matter what way you try and twist and turn it.

They didn't rope Willem Dafoe in for a cameo and have that whole discovery of the Goblin stuff for nothing.

thank you ock. he found the goblin stuff he aint gonna act like its nothing

I'm not even going to argue your Episode 3 crap because the fact that they were in a war means nothing as to why they didn't mention it in the movie.

I wasn't the one that brought up the Batman card in the first place. And my point isn't the significance of a card and goblin serums, its the structure of films.

You aren't going to understand my points at all, Evil Seed will. I'm trying to give you guys a lesson on film making but you aren't taking anything I say into consideration.

As for my statement about Sandman contradicting itself, it doesn't. I have never said that I don't think Sandman is in it. I'm saying I think its funny that people argue Venom's credibility but they don't argue Sandman's, and they use "Dunst isn't reliable" - however, they don't say "Well if Dunst isn't reliable then maybe Sandman isn't in it either..." The only reason "Dunst isn't reliable" is brought up is because some people don't want Venom, or they don't want Grace to play Venom specifically.

Ock: Yeah, Dunst might have been wrong then. But think about the level of authority she has over stupid websites. If James Franco said in an interview "Venom and Sandman are going to be awesome in this film" wouldn't you assume that that has more credibility than if Joe Somebody on a random comic book site says it? Yes. That's my point. Dunst may have been wrong but she may be right this time. And as I have stated TIME AND TIME AGAIN, we don't know for sure EITHER WAY. So don't say "no matter what way you twist it" because you aren't the authority here, Raimi, Sony, and Marvel are. We don't know for sure but the best evidence we have so far, including a major actor's statement, previous statements done by Raimi and Maguire, and logical deciphering of who they look like and what storylines there could possibly be, MORE EVIDENCE speaks towards Venom/Sandman than other combinations.

the reason Sandman is not thought of being a lie like Venom is is because Church looks like Sandman and we have heard thatr forever. Grace really don't look like Venom. Dunst was wrong about Spiderman 2, and she is probably wrong this time. You are not trying to give us lessons in film making, you are saying what you think because that is obviously what you want or you believe. When Raimi says the villains are - blah blah and blah then I will believe him and him alone.

About the Joker card. Joker cliffhanger is almost the equality of having a Venom cliffhanger, since The Joker is arguably the most popular Batman villain of all time.

-Goblin teaming up with Spiderman idea, sounds cool, but its not supposed to be, this whole 3rd movie thing is too damn unpredictable thanks to sam raimi.

Fate's got good points and you people, I'm not pointing any fingers, don't want to accept that he is right. We don't know for sure, yes Dunst is wrong, but she COULD be right. It could be a big conspiracy by Raimi to have her say something wrong for 2 and be right for 3. Raimi might not do Harry as a Goblin for the sole reason of: It's monotonous to have the same villain again. Like NoFate said, they're all out to make money, so they probably won't do a Goblin for that reason.

Originally posted by Drache53
Fate's got good points and you people, I'm not pointing any fingers, don't want to accept that he is right. We don't know for sure, yes Dunst is wrong, but she COULD be right. It could be a big conspiracy by Raimi to have her say something wrong for 2 and be right for 3. Raimi might not do Harry as a Goblin for the sole reason of: It's monotonous to have the same villain again. Like NoFate said, they're all out to make money, so they probably won't do a Goblin for that reason.

if he didnt want a monotone villain/story, why the hell did he pick green goblin? Didnt he know Harry becomes the 2nd green goblin?