Star Destroyers

If you're such dedicated star wars geeks, why don't you have the book yourselves? Let me know how to post the whole page, and I'll end this pointless sad little arguement.

I think I've found why we're getting these so mixed up. Are you guys using the Imperial Sourcebook for the Star Wars RPG? Because that one has the opposite images to names than the Essential Guide from Del Rey. This may be the cause of confusion?

This is the book I'm getting my info from:
http://www.fiona.co.jp/GENERAL_BOOKS/images/INTEREST_BOOKS/STAR_WARS_ESSENTIAL_VEHICLES.jpg

I doubt the Essential Guide would make such an error, but even if it *did*, I assure you, it's an error. I defy you to do a google search and find a single example of *any* source that calls the Star Destroyers in the OT "Victory" class. It's really simple. The one in ANH is Imperial-class, the one in TESB and ROTJ is Imperial II-class, with the ANH model used sometimes too.

Furthermore, the Essential Guide is *not* the only SW ship source out there- if you buy the Original Trilogy Incredible Cross Sections (which *only* deals with craft and vehicles in the films, and the best source out there in terms of detail), you'll see that the ships in the film are Imperial-class, not Victory-class. period. The whole reason they came up with the Imperial class name was because the ships in the film are called "Imperial Star Destroyers". The Victory-class is an EU creation created from unused ANH concept art, ok?

Heck, check the starwars.com databank under Imperial Star Destroyer. See what class it says it is.

The version of the guide I have is from 1996. The ISBN is 034539299X. On page 188 of that book, the title on the top of the page says Victory Class Star Destroyer. Then there is the more detailed name, Rendili Stardrive Victory Class Star Destroyer. The pic by Doug Chiang looks like the ones in the films. No fins. no car like antenna (since I've now learned they don't all have to look like poles, as Vympel pointed out). Page 189, is the skematic link I posted earlier.
On page 80 of the same book is the Kuat Drive Yards Imperial Star Destroyer, 1,600 meters long. The pic by Doug Chiang (this is his pre prequel work I guess) has the large pole antenna coming out of the top. It also sports the so called fins. Page 81 shows the skematics Sketch posted with the pic of the model.

Now, if this book is wrong, cool. I have done the google search, and all the pics were the way you said. Imperial looking like the films, Victory with the fins. But there were several other films shots thrown into both class searches. Another site, which got its info from the Imperial Roleplaying source book, also had the names and pics the way you say they should be. My only question now is, if you're right, then wtf did they do when they made this book? Does anyone have the updated guide to vehicles and vessels, perhaps they've corrected this? I know they released an expanded version around the time AOTC was released... it just doesn't make sense them making a mistake this big, although...they did overlook that oversaturated lightsaber in anh which now has a green tint. And this was from 1996 so maybe its just back when no one a Lucasfilm really kept track of this stuff....

So are we all now agreed that the "Victory" class has never been seen in the films?

The only ones shown were "Imperial" class - due to the fact they belong to the "Imperial Empire"

I would guess the "victory" class was named this due to the fact of victory over the sepritists??
It's a shame that the SD's are not called the above in Ep3 - it would link the SD evolution (according to EU & i know this isnt canon). But still it would have been a nice touch.

Originally posted by mephistodesigns
If you're such dedicated star wars geeks, why don't you have the book yourselves? Let me know how to post the whole page, and I'll end this pointless sad little arguement.

I have the book , infact my victory star destroyer page looks nothing like the one you've been posted which is also clearly labeled ISD

http://frankg.dgne.com/swsv/rsd/victory.jpg

Originally posted by Clai Keboa
So are we all now agreed that the "Victory" class has never been seen in the films?

The only ones shown were "Imperial" class - due to the fact they belong to the "Imperial Empire"

I would guess the "victory" class was named this due to the fact of victory over the sepritists??
It's a shame that the SD's are not called the above in Ep3 - it would link the SD evolution (according to EU & i know this isnt canon). But still it would have been a nice touch.

To be honest I think "Imperial-class" sounds stupid. It's like calling an American destroyer an "American-class" destroyer. Victory is cool sounding though, it probably doesn't mean anything.

The I in ISD is Imperator-Class Star Destroyer

Originally posted by ctsketch
The I in ISD is Imperator-Class Star Destroyer

That's the name I prefer too, of course, but unfortunately Imperial is the one practically all the sources say. Imperator fits in perfectly with all these:

Mandator-class (AOTC ICS)
Procurator-class (AOTC ICS)
Praetor-class (OT: ITW)
Venator-class (ROTS)
Acclamator-class (AOTC)
Executor-class (TESB, ROTJ)

Sketch-- do you have the newer one? the one that IS NOT orange? Cuz mines from 1996. I'm wondering if they fixed it in the new one. Cuz in the orange one from '96, the pic you guys said was Victory is under Imperial. And the pic you say is Imperial is under Victory.

is this the one you have:
http://gwiezdne-wojny.pl/grafika/2003/mar/essentialnew_sm.jpg

that's the newer one...is that the one you have?

I have the Orange one, yours must just have a typo.....

that would be a pretty big typo, my pics are flat out reversed. the publication info says first edition march 1996. And in mine victory looks like films, imperial with the large pole antenna and "fins". That is so f-ing wierd. why wuld mine have it like that and not yours?

BBBBBIIIIIGGGGG TYPO

Yeah, exactly. I find it a little weird that mine has the problem and not yours ct. That is a "bbbbbiiiiiggggg typo".

hi all i just seen this thread and its a bit late i know but in answer to the victory/isd debate in some copies of the essential giude to vehicles and vessels (orange cover not the new guide) they got the pics mixed up the isd text was shown with a pic of the victory and the victory text with a pic of the isd hope that helps but the one with the fins and bridge protusions is deff a victory class and never appeard in any of the movies

Originally posted by mephistodesigns
Sketch-- do you have the newer one? the one that IS NOT orange? Cuz mines from 1996. I'm wondering if they fixed it in the new one. Cuz in the orange one from '96, the pic you guys said was Victory is under Imperial. And the pic you say is Imperial is under Victory.

is this the one you have:
http://gwiezdne-wojny.pl/grafika/2003/mar/essentialnew_sm.jpg

that's the newer one...is that the one you have?

Don't bring back the dead.

i beleive when anakin is goona kill dooku you see a star destroyer in the background

Hey, yeah, the Clone Ships look an awful lot Star Destroyers don't they?(sarcasm, sarcasm)