i really dont consider him a human being, for the simple fact that i cant relate to him at all...except for revenge which i could relate to alot of characters for
im not blindingly rich, i dont have much technology besides this comp and my dvd player, my parents werent killed, i didnt go to japan, i dont have a butler...........its completely inhuman, as for determination lol...i think that went out the window after he's had bane completely cripple his spine and a ton of other enemies breaking his bones, thats like saying with enough determination you could beat the inanimate carbon rod
Originally posted by Havoc470
i really dont consider him a human being, for the simple fact that i cant relate to him at all...except for revenge which i could relate to alot of characters forim not blindingly rich, i dont have much technology besides this comp and my dvd player, my parents werent killed, i didnt go to japan, i dont have a butler...........its completely inhuman, as for determination lol...i think that went out the window after he's had bane completely cripple his spine and a ton of other enemies breaking his bones, thats like saying with enough determination you could beat the inanimate carbon rod
uumm...the only reason he did recover from that spinal injury was because of sheer will power...
1: Batman's IQ is NOT 220. That's absurd. If you made up that number, you need to look at what the quotient levels are to have a better understanding of what they mean. If a Batman writer came up with it, he has proven he doesn't know the quotient levels and has no understanding of what they mean.
2. You can't overcome a spinal injury through 'willpower' alone. That storyline was as bad as a soap opera. More evidence Batman writers are so unintelligent, which is the only thing that makes Batman appear intelligent.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
1: Batman's IQ is NOT 220. That's absurd. If you made up that number, you need to look at what the quotient levels are to have a better understanding of what they mean. If a Batman writer came up with it, he has proven he doesn't know the quotient levels and has no understanding of what they mean.
Tell the writer who STATED that it is 220 that it is absurd. LoL @ "absurd" when Goethe's IQ was estimated to be 210.
You first say that it is absurb. You then say "well, if it IS 220, then he doesn't know the quotient levels." Did you ever consider that YOU are not aware of what HE means when he says that Batman has an IQ of 220? Did he state that Batman has an IQ of 220 on EARTH? How many "real time" human beings can design kryptonite gauntlets? Precisely, so who cares about real world "quotient levels?" I guess whomever says Flash runs at the speed of light has no "understanding" of Einstein's Theory of Relativity?
Please research information before you consider attempting to refute it. For more "absurb" IQ levels, here you are:
Batman (name unrevealed): Dynamic darknight defender of Pluto, the terrifying Asylum Planet — one half of the System's Finest Duo! The Cloaked Crusader, the Night's Greatest Detective, his physical prowess is unequaled, his IQ: 1045.<---------------------- 1ST APP: DC One Million #1. ORIGIN: Batman: Shadow Of The Bat #1,000,000 (Nov 1998)
There is your issue number. Do consider verifying it for yourself...and I guess Grant Morrison (who is responsible for the creation of Batman 1M) has no understanding of what "quotient levels mean."
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
1: Batman's IQ is NOT 220. That's absurd. If you made up that number, you need to look at what the quotient levels are to have a better understanding of what they mean. If a Batman writer came up with it, he has proven he doesn't know the quotient levels and has no understanding of what they mean.
Most IQ-tests are always the same. But the true intellectual level of a person can NOT be tested by some (mostly mathematical) tests that take only half an hour - if that - to complete.
You want to test somebodies smartness ? Fine. You can only obtain a rough idea of his intelligence capacities by talking with him about lots of different subjects, by making him do spelling exercises, mathematical exercises, logical stuff, political knowledge, foreign languages, geography, art and litterature, astronomy, gastronomy (why not), technology, religion and so on.
After a few days, you will have a vague idea of the true intelligence of the person. Not by filling in some stupid IQ-test.
So if Batman has an IQ of 220 : who cares ?
2. You can't overcome a spinal injury through 'willpower' alone. That storyline was as bad as a soap opera. More evidence Batman writers are so unintelligent, which is the only thing that makes Batman appear intelligent.
Originally posted by who?-kid
by making him do spelling exercises, mathematical exercises, logical stuff, political knowledge, foreign languages, geography, art and litterature, astronomy, gastronomy (why not), technology, religion and so on.
if that were an IQ test then einstein would be proven retarded
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
2. You can't overcome a spinal injury through 'willpower' alone. That storyline was as bad as a soap opera. More evidence Batman writers are so unintelligent, which is the only thing that makes Batman appear intelligent.
I think it's pretty obvious that you've never actually read that storyline; if you did, than you're babbling. Is it so unrealistic that Batman continued to function in a wheelchair, when hundreds of thousands of people do that exact same thing in the real world? He continued to function as a detective in the wheelchair; maybe your theory is that when people are put in wheel chairs, they become retarted and shouldn't be able to think as well as they used to? If you actually read the comics, you'd know that Batman succeeded by calling in a lot of his allies to do the things he could no longer do; first the Justice League Task Force, then the Red Hood, then Alfred to impersonate the Batman, for heaven's sake.
If you're complaining about how he was healed, you're just being stupid. Have you forgotten that this is a comic book universe, with thousands of metas and supernatural beings? The wonder isn't that Batman was healed, it's that Oracle hasn't managed to be.
Originally posted by Havoc470
if that were an IQ test then einstein would be proven retarded
Secundo : even if he came out retarded, so what ? That only shows (like I said) how vague those tests are.
Having a high IQ doesn't mean much. In fact, it means very little.
Originally posted by who?-kid
After a few days, you will have a vague idea of the true intelligence of the person. Not by filling in some stupid IQ-test.So if Batman has an IQ of 220 : who cares ?
To quote someone else: "That's absurd." Certainly entitled to your opinion regarding IQ tests, as mistaken as it might be.
"Test someone's smartness?" What? Hmm...was Gaugin "smart?" Percy Bysse Shelley? William Shakespeare? Dante? Montaigne? Voltaire? Miles Davis? Bobby Fisher? Charles Mingus, John Coletrane, Bill Gates?
At any rate, the 220 IQ rating is indicative of Batman's genius level IQ (anyone care to dispute THAT?); and if you are questioning Batman's IQ, you have a LOT of reading to do.
DCU? Frank Castle? Unless I am mistaken (and I doubt it), Frank Castle is The Punisher? Not a DCU character.