wolverine vs colossus

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Because him being a demon is irrelevant, it would not effect how far he was thrown nor his ability to get back. Thats my problem, you think he used some demonic power to get back. that my problem. You vastly underestimate him. That was all him and well within his abilities.

Originally posted by Trackz
Jinzin estimated Wolverine was thrown off the island. The fact that Wolverine busts back through the hole on fire and powered up suggests he had to use his demonic powers to get back. Again this is all pretty irrelevant to the fight at hand and the only reason it's being discussed is because certain members are overly contentious.

How is it not important? It pretty much proves wolverine can do some major damage to colossus.

So the mighty Colossus got cut just like Thing? I guess Wonderman IS stronger and more durable than both by a good margin.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
To me it looked like Logan did scratch him. Clean even commented on how he felt that.

Originally posted by Trackz
- if it was normal wolverine the fight would've been over, my entire point

The only difference between Wolverine and Hellverine, is that if Wolverine got launched out that facility it would have taken him a little longer to get back to the fight... and once he got back he would have stealthed Colossus.

The only way your ... uggh. "point' holds any water whatsoever is if Colossus had launched Wolverine across an ocean or something.

Originally posted by Trackz
- after Wolverine came back helled out, Colossus mounted little defense.

Originally posted by Trackz
- This fight showed that If colossus is completely immobile then yes Wolverine can dice him up, if he hits him at the right angle. Notice that after Wolverine divebombs him, colossus doesn't even attempt to mount a defense.

Originally posted by Trackz
- All things I never said, they were examples of bricks laying him out or BFR's him, never stated what would happen in a fight, never stated what would happen in this fight, rather I've been dragged into this debate by people misrepresenting my initial point, that the fight would've ended after colossus threw Wolverine from the building.

Originally posted by Trackz
Skaar took him out pretty easily, as did ares and red hulk. In a fight the same thing would probably happen, Colossus manhandled Hellverine before he powered up.

Originally posted by Trackz
...My point being people of similar strength can BFR/put him down. All of those listed above did one of the two.

Originally posted by Trackz
which of those showings low balled him, they were all legit showings. Red Hulk BFR'd him, which would be a win in a forum fight. Skaar BFR'd him. Ares floored him.

"the same thing would probably happen", "they were legit showings"....

Which means you think those are credible examples, which is why we're arguing in the first place.

You didn't get "dragged" into anything.
As usual you decided to let your mouth write checks your ass can't cash and now you're backpeddling like crazy when you have someone calling you out on it.

It wasn't your initial point.
And the convoluted "point" you've basically been cornered into pretended was your "initial" argument is skewed to hell as it is.

Do you not understand the concept of a BFR? Do you not get how if Wolverine can make it back to the battlefield and is able to do so that it ISN'T actually a win by BFR?
Did you not see me reference at least one occassion where Wolverine has run back to the fight after being launched several blocks through buildings? Or did you just choose to ignore the reference as you usually do when it comes to anything that doesn't make Wolverine look like a punching bag?

Do you even think before you start making arguments or do you just have the urge to let your fingers hit keys at random and there's no piano available?... 😐

Originally posted by Trackz
How have I lowballed Wolverine? by saying Red Hulk is able to BFR? That Skaar is able to? I never even stated Ares beat him. I haven't lowballed him once. Nice try though.

Frankly you misrepresented my points and dragged me into a debate I never entered.

How have you lowballed him?

Let's review shall we?

Originally posted by Trackz
In a real fight it would've been over in the first few panels after Colossus overpowered and BFR'd him.

Originally posted by Trackz
Skaar took him out pretty easily, as did ares and red hulk.

Originally posted by Trackz
which of those showings low balled him, they were all legit showings. Red Hulk BFR'd him, which would be a win in a forum fight. Skaar BFR'd him. Ares floored him.

Originally posted by Trackz
My point being people of similar strength can BFR/put him down. All of those listed above did one of the two.

Lowballing number 3- insisting these are legit showings.
Seems pretty hypocritical given the context of two of them when you want to argue about what would happen in "a real fight".

And now you want to whine about being "dragged" into a debate....
If you don't like being in an argument maybe you should steer clear of the versus forum...

OR, maybe you shouldn't contribute your opinion to a discussion when you don't have anything worthwhile to say with even less to back it up.

Leave the debating to the big boys and go take your little game of pretend time to Comicvine. If I want to read fanfics I'll go to Otaku-con.

Now.... GTFO. 😐

Odds go to Colossus. He would honlestly just restrain Logan or BFR him, and there are several ways he could do that.

If Logan can pierce Piotr's armor he stands a chance but a slim one. And I doubt he'd be able to inflict a lethal blow on one strike

Jinzin that was classic.

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
Odds go to Colossus. He would honlestly just restrain Logan or BFR him, and there are several ways he could do that.

If Logan can pierce Piotr's armor he stands a chance but a slim one. And I doubt he'd be able to inflict a lethal blow on one strike

He already has. Please explain to me how he has a slim chance? Colossus brings nothing new to the table. He might as well be another thing, wolverine will be landed more, and better hits, plain and simple.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/50320/941448-colossusandmagmapit_super.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/50320/941451-colossusandmagmapit2_super.jpg

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/9606/41016754zn4.jpg

Colossus has the longer Reach. Wolvie is only 5'3"

Once Colossus gets Wolvie in a bear hug or grabs his forearms its over.

Wolvie isn't piercing Colossus's armor.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Gd8NBIma-zo/SLidKimHQMI/AAAAAAAAE6k/IJ7thUddiMg/s1600-h/Ultimate_X-Men_%23097+-+noheartnoleg.jpg

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/50320/941448-colossusandmagmapit_super.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/50320/941451-colossusandmagmapit2_super.jpg

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/9606/41016754zn4.jpg

Colossus has the longer Reach. Wolvie is only 5'3"

Once Colossus gets Wolvie in a bear hug or grabs his forearms its over.

Wolvie isn't piercing Colossus's armor.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Gd8NBIma-zo/SLidKimHQMI/AAAAAAAAE6k/IJ7thUddiMg/s1600-h/Ultimate_X-Men_%23097+-+noheartnoleg.jpg

Dude honestly use your had, he posses claws that are a foot long.

Again how is to accomplishing this against a faster, far more skill, longer reaching opponent that can do serous damage to his body? Honest do you think before you come up with your answers? You understand how much of a stretch that is to assume he could accomplish either task with sustaining sufer damage?

He done it already, the narrative stated he could, colossus thinks he can, and wolverine thinks he can. So you would be quite mistaken.

oh nice finally a a relevant scan.......oh wait that the ultimate universe.......yet another worthless and irrelevant scan.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Indeed.

Anyway, I still think Colossus wins. By no means easily etcetera etcetera, but I think he can pull 6/10.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Because him being a demon is irrelevant, it would not effect how far he was thrown nor his ability to get back. Thats my problem, you think he used some demonic power to get back. that my problem. You vastly underestimate him. That was all him and well within his abilities.

Originally posted by Starscream M
wait, you don't think logan can cut colossus yet you think logan can win 4? 😕

my point was based on the assumption that Logan COULD cut Colossus.

Originally posted by -Pr-
my point was based on the assumption that Logan COULD cut Colossus.

Originally posted by Starscream M
he can't though.

that's debatable at the very least.

Good to see Logan can in fact cut Piotr.

Logan did have alot of demonic abilities though.

Wonder if his strength was amped. He being thrown through the roof and zipping back in was WEIRD.

Piotr does posses the power to pin Logan down and that would = victory... Or at least pin his hands to his side.....the strength gap is superb....like your 4year old sister to you superb.......

Originally posted by Hitman911
like your 4year old sister to you superb.......

like a 2 yr old to a bodybuilder

Originally posted by Hitman911
Piotr does posses the power to pin Logan down and that would = victory... Or at least pin his hands to his side.....the strength gap is superb....like your 4year old sister to you superb.......

Exactly Piotr can tank a gut shot. Then grab 1 or both of Logan's arms.

Then it's all over.

Originally posted by jinzin
And your point is skewed, wrong, and typically IN SPITE of evidence as is the usual for your nonsense.

The only difference between Wolverine and Hellverine, is that if Wolverine got launched out that facility it would have taken him a little longer to get back to the fight... and once he got back he would have stealthed Colossus.

The only way your ... uggh. "point' holds any water whatsoever is if Colossus had launched Wolverine across an ocean or something.

Because he got gutted...
What the hell else would you expect?
He doesn't have a battlefield healing factor.

One, Colossus wasn't immoble after Wolverine's first successful attack.
Two, again what was he supposed to do? 🤨

Liar>>>

"the same thing would probably happen", "they were legit showings"....

Which means you think those are credible examples, which is why we're arguing in the first place.

You didn't get "dragged" into anything.
As usual you decided to let your mouth write checks your ass can't cash and now you're backpeddling like crazy when you have someone calling you out on it.

It wasn't your initial point.
And the convoluted "point" you've basically been cornered into pretended was your "initial" argument is skewed to hell as it is.

Do you not understand the concept of a BFR? Do you not get how if Wolverine can make it back to the battlefield and is able to do so that it ISN'T actually a win by BFR?
Did you not see me reference at least one occassion where Wolverine has run back to the fight after being launched several blocks through buildings? Or did you just choose to ignore the reference as you usually do when it comes to anything that doesn't make Wolverine look like a punching bag?

Do you even think before you start making arguments or do you just have the urge to let your fingers hit keys at random and there's no piano available?... 😐

How have you lowballed him?

Let's review shall we?

1- You somehow determined that Wolverine's impressive showings are illigitimate but that whatever happens TO him in turn is. As if Peter would secure Wolverine's neck several times, because as we all know in a real fight Wolverine likes to lay about talking trash and smiling at his opponents. I'm sure Hellverine fights just like Wolverine too.. oh I mean unless of course he does something impressive. 🙄

Lowballing number 2- Bringing up Skaar "taking logan out pretty easily" ignoring the context of him blindsiding Wolverine as well as Wolverine not fighting back.
Bringing up Ares compounding on the claim that Ares "easily took him out" when again IN CONTEXT all he managed to do was knock Wolverine off his feet with not one but two blindsides.
Bringing up Red Hulk to compound on someone who also "easily took him out" in spite of the fact that Wolverine got the better of that exchange AND that someone had to come to his rescue.... 😐

Lowballing number 3- insisting these are legit showings.
Seems pretty hypocritical given the context of two of them when you want to argue about what would happen in "a real fight".

And now you want to whine about being "dragged" into a debate....
If you don't like being in an argument maybe you should steer clear of the versus forum...

OR, maybe you shouldn't contribute your opinion to a discussion when you don't have anything worthwhile to say with even less to back it up.

Leave the debating to the big boys and go take your little game of pretend time to Comicvine. If I want to read fanfics I'll go to Otaku-con.

Now.... GTFO. 😐

Again you've gone off for no apparent reason

1. in the comic after Colossus threw Wolverine from teh building the fight would've been over. X_men would've been called in and such. it would've been over.

2. Never did I state any of them would beat him for the majority, but BFR is likely and a choice many of them would likely go for. They were examples to show BFR is a possibility and were completely likely to happen in a scuffle between Colossus and Wolverine. Getting BFR'd by Skaar, Red Hulk, etc. aren't low showing for Wolverine.

3. What could Colossus have done? Launched any type of attack, especially when Wolverine was basically standing over him and by the artists depiction none of Colossus's gashes seem that deep.

4. I swear, you're being ridiculous. Nothing I've said lowballed Wolverine, I stated it's possible for characters of sufficient strength (i.e. Red Hulk, Colossus, Skaar, etc.) to BFR him. You're being overly contentious and launching into a debate I never started. My initial post? The fight would've been over after Colossus threw a regular Wolverine from the building. Which in the comic it would have been seeing as there's no way Wolverine would go flying back into the building seconds later before reinforcements arrived.

Maybe you'd care to explain how it's lowballing to believe a class 100 character is capable of BFRing Wolverine?

my initial post

Not sure why this is being debated, Hellverine is owning everyone right now. In a real fight it would've been over in the first few panels after Colossus overpowered and BFR'd him.

what you're "calling me out" over is trivial and frankly juvenile.