wolverine vs colossus

Started by Trackz57 pages

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Well i completely disagree. You can even see it already bending down once it clears the building. It could have have landed well within distant to the building. Yes he ran back and jumped in while kitty and peter were talking. Yes on firer, I not sure how that matter though. I disagree i took him turn his firer skin on because he was pissed. I not sure if you notice, but demon wolverine retracted his claws right after his initial attack, and seemed like he was almost letting Colossus beat on him which was weird.

How is it not important? It pretty much proves wolverine can do some major damage to colossus.

He was still in mid trajectory when Colossus and Kitty start talking, and he flew back in aflame seconds later. No way he did that without some sort of flight or demonic amp.

I never argued whether or not Wolverine could cut Colossus or not.

am i supposed to think wolverine is that fast?

http://s233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/?action=view&current=Wolverine_004_015.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Wolverine_004_016.jpg

the guy gets bfr and comes right back the next panel 😬

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
am i supposed to think wolverine is that fast?

http://s233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/?action=view&current=Wolverine_004_015.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Wolverine_004_016.jpg

the guy gets bfr and comes right back the next panel 😬

Looks to me like he flew back in since he came back to the roof???

Flasfact: Wolverine is the proud owner of the sands of time.

Okay, a few things. There have been 6-8 posters the past month or two who account for a majority of reports and have been spoken to about their attitudes. As of now I'm done talking. There will be temp bans for the bashing, flaming and trolling I've seen. I see no reason for the overt hostility shown in these threads. Consider this a final warning to those involved.

Originally posted by Badabing
Okay, a few things. There have been 6-8 posters the past month or two who account for a majority of reports and have been spoken to about their attitudes. As of now I'm done talking. There will be temp bans for the bashing, flaming and trolling I've seen. I see no reason for the overt hostility shown in these threads. Consider this a final warning to those involved.
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Originally posted by Badabing
Okay, a few things. There have been 6-8 posters the past month or two who account for a majority of reports and have been spoken to about their attitudes.
Does that include me?

X 2 temp ban for you. Damn Germans.

As if that would stop me.

I've gathered more than enough followers.

Reported for threatening to make sock accounts.

Originally posted by Trackz
Again you've gone off for no apparent reason

1. in the comic after Colossus threw Wolverine from teh building the fight would've been over. X_men would've been called in and such. it would've been over.

2. Never did I state any of them would beat him for the majority, but BFR is likely and a choice many of them would likely go for. They were examples to show BFR is a possibility and were completely likely to happen in a scuffle between Colossus and Wolverine. Getting BFR'd by Skaar, Red Hulk, etc. aren't low showing for Wolverine.

3. What could Colossus have done? Launched any type of attack, especially when Wolverine was basically standing over him and by the artists depiction none of Colossus's gashes seem that deep.

4. I swear, you're being ridiculous. Nothing I've said lowballed Wolverine, I stated it's possible for characters of sufficient strength (i.e. Red Hulk, Colossus, Skaar, etc.) to BFR him. You're being overly contentious and launching into a debate I never started. My initial post? The fight would've been over after Colossus threw a regular Wolverine from the building. Which in the comic it would have been seeing as there's no way Wolverine would go flying back into the building seconds later before reinforcements arrived.

Maybe you'd care to explain how it's lowballing to believe a class 100 character is capable of BFRing Wolverine?

my initial post

what you're "calling me out" over is trivial and frankly juvenile.


1. You were talking about "a real fight between them" no?
Now you're backtracking to indlude a comic based plotline where the X-men come to the rescue...
The fight wouldn't be over it'd be postponed..
2. "it would probably happen" Yes, you did and I already quoted you saying it. So you're lying once again.
3.No one said they ARE low showings, what was said was that they weren't legitimate showings properly displaying a real BFR. They aren't.
4. Yeah but you swear by a lot of things and rarely are they true... Like your "initial point". The fight would've been over when Colossus threw him out of the complex.
First off :Uh-no, it would have been postponed. Big difference in concerns to a forum fight.
Secondly: Using the example of Colossus launching Wolverine out of a complex and ignoring the context that Demolverine was sitting there practically letting him do it while smiling away and talking trash is you simply trying to have your cake and eat it too.
You're ignoring that "in a real fight" Wolverine would be using a mixture of his speed advantage, agility advantage, his not so inconsiderable skill advantage, and his heightened senses to do the maximum amount of damage with the most effecient amount of injury... He's not going to be sitting there literally doing nothing as Colossus grabs him by the neck, not once, but twice.
Finally, you're first lowballing point on the matter was a discussion about what would happen in a "real fight between the two"... now you're defecting to what would happen "in a comic" with the X-men coming to back Collosus up.... funny that.

I've already explained in great detail how you're lowballing Logan try to keep up.
No one said it's lowballing to think that a class 100 can BFR logan... It might not be a probable assessment, but it's certainly not lowballing.
What's lowballing is you using 3 examples, raping them of their context, and then insisting that they are evidence of something they aren't, insisting they're legitimate evidence that proves your point, and then basically taking everytime Demolverine gets beat on at face value while feeling comfortable with ignoring the context there too.

THAT'S lowballing. Don't play so dumb.

As for your initial post.. well.... there you go. "In a real fight"; you weren't talking about what would happen in a comic. Nice to see you backtracking again....

As I said before, good to know what the "trackz" stands for, although maybe the next time you want to backtrack through an argument that isn't even a day old, you may want to leave yourself some breadcrumbs to follow your own friggin trains of thought. DAMN. 😐

As for your assessment that I'm going off over nothing or being juvenile.
No... I'm "going off" because you're a VERY disengenous poster and I'm beckoning you to either put up, man up, or shut up. One would think you were just ignorant of the mistakes you make in any given thread with Logan, but when I see multiple people explain to you the context of your pathetic ass backwards examples and further detailing why your reasoning isn't logical within that context and you carry on oblivious to those explanations... as if they never happened, in spite of them?...... that's some sort of trolling right there.

Again, if you have a problem with it, then maybe you should use better examples, or be more reasonable/rational about what your examples prove.... or hell at the VERY LEAST don't waffle yourself in your own arguments... with that last quote you've essentially just owned yourself.. it's just sad. It really is.

Originally posted by jinzin
1. You were talking about "a real fight between them" no?
Now you're backtracking to indlude a comic based plotline where the X-men come to the rescue...
The fight wouldn't be over it'd be postponed..
2. "it would probably happen" Yes, you did and I already quoted you saying it. So you're lying once again.
3.No one said they ARE low showings, what was said was that they weren't legitimate showings properly displaying a real BFR. They aren't.
4. Yeah but you swear by a lot of things and rarely are they true... Like your "initial point". The fight would've been over when Colossus threw him out of the complex.
First off :Uh-no, it would have been postponed. Big difference in concerns to a forum fight.
Secondly: Using the example of Colossus launching Wolverine out of a complex and ignoring the context that Demolverine was sitting there practically letting him do it while smiling away and talking trash is you simply trying to have your cake and eat it too.
You're ignoring that "in a real fight" Wolverine would be using a mixture of his speed advantage, agility advantage, his not so inconsiderable skill advantage, and his heightened senses to do the maximum amount of damage with the most effecient amount of injury... He's not going to be sitting there literally doing nothing as Colossus grabs him by the neck, not once, but twice.
Finally, you're first lowballing point on the matter was a discussion about what would happen in a "real fight between the two"... now you're defecting to what would happen "in a comic" with the X-men coming to back Collosus up.... funny that.

I've already explained in great detail how you're lowballing Logan try to keep up.
No one said it's lowballing to think that a class 100 can BFR logan... It might not be a probable assessment, but it's certainly not lowballing.
What's lowballing is you using 3 examples, raping them of their context, and then insisting that they are evidence of something they aren't, insisting they're legitimate evidence that proves your point, and then basically taking everytime Demolverine gets beat on at face value while feeling comfortable with ignoring the context there too.

THAT'S lowballing. Don't play so dumb.

As for your initial post.. well.... there you go. "In a real fight"; you weren't talking about what would happen in a comic. Nice to see you backtracking again....

As I said before, good to know what the "trackz" stands for, although maybe the next time you want to backtrack through an argument that isn't even a day old, you may want to leave yourself some breadcrumbs to follow your own friggin trains of thought. DAMN. 😐

As for your assessment that I'm going off over nothing or being juvenile.
No... I'm "going off" because you're a VERY disengenous poster and I'm beckoning you to either put up, man up, or shut up. One would think you were just ignorant of the mistakes you make in any given thread with Logan, but when I see multiple people explain to you the context of your pathetic ass backwards examples and further detailing why your reasoning isn't logical within that context and you carry on oblivious to those explanations... as if they never happened, in spite of them?...... that's some sort of trolling right there.

Again, if you have a problem with it, then maybe you should use better examples, or be more reasonable/rational about what your examples prove.... or hell at the VERY LEAST don't waffle yourself in your own arguments... with that last quote you've essentially just owned yourself.. it's just sad. It really is.

1. No I wasn't, I was talking about the fight that went on in the comic, which is why i initially stated that it would've been over after he'd thrown a regular Wolverine out of the building since regular Wolverine isn't able to fly back threw the building in seconds like Hellverine did.

2. I said they could probably BFR him, I never stated they could do it assuredly. In my opinion, in a fight it would happen but I can't say that it would happen 100 % of the time. I never lied.

3. I used those showings to show that those characters are capable of BFRing Wolverine.

4. I wasn't talking about a forum fight because my initial statement wasn't in regards to the forum fight, it was in regards to the fight that happened on-panel. Again If Colossus threw Wolverine off the island you've gained plenty of time for the X-men to be called in rather than a few seconds.

5. I never raped them out of their context. I cited three examples of big guys taking on Wolverine, I never stated who won or anything you're assuming that because you're sold on the fact that I'm trying to low ball Wolverine despite the fact none of my posts really back your point. In fact you're spending all of this time when I've already stated that I wasn't trying to low ball Wolverine. If you are in disagreement with the examples I used to show that bricks are capable of dealign with Wolverine, fine. If you don't think that he would be bfr'd in a fight, fine. The fact that you're typing out these paragraphs to try and prove that I'm low balling, to assault me, and to vigorously counter an argument I never made is juvenile and annoying. It's also off-topic so whatever your opinion of me are they have no place here and this should be the last reply on this subject.

my first post shows that I was never commenting on a forum fight but only the on-panel fight.

Originally posted by Trackz
1. No I wasn't, I was talking about the fight that went on in the comic, which is why i initially stated that it would've been over after he'd thrown a regular Wolverine out of the building since regular Wolverine isn't able to fly back threw the building in seconds like Hellverine did.

ORLY?
Cause:
Originally posted by Trackz
In a real fight it would've been over in the first few panels after Colossus overpowered and BFR'd him.

Originally posted by Trackz
2. I said they could probably BFR him, I never stated they could do it assuredly. In my opinion, in a fight it would happen but I can't say that it would happen 100 % of the time. I never lied.

ORLY? Cause:
Originally posted by Trackz
Skaar took him out pretty easily, as did ares and red hulk. In a fight the same thing would probably happen,

Could- used as an auxiliary to make the past tense of can
Would-used as an auxiliary to form the past tense or subjunctive mood of WILL.

So again... context.. and again, you're lying.

Originally posted by Trackz
3. I used those showings to show that those characters are capable of BFRing Wolverine.

Which is the problem, none of those examples are legitimate examples of the things you're attempting to prove.

Originally posted by Trackz
4. I wasn't talking about a forum fight because my initial statement wasn't in regards to the forum fight, it was in regards to the fight that happened on-panel. Again If Colossus threw Wolverine off the island you've gained plenty of time for the X-men to be called in rather than a few seconds.

"in a real fight" Yes you were... Liar.

Originally posted by Trackz
5. I never raped them out of their context. I cited three examples of big guys taking on Wolverine, I never stated who won or anything you're assuming that because you're sold on the fact that I'm trying to low ball Wolverine despite the fact none of my posts really back your point. In fact you're spending all of this time when I've already stated that I wasn't trying to low ball Wolverine. If you are in disagreement with the examples I used to show that bricks are capable of dealign with Wolverine, fine. If you don't think that he would be bfr'd in a fight, fine. The fact that you're typing out these paragraphs to try and prove that I'm low balling, to assault me, and to vigorously counter an argument I never made is juvenile and annoying. It's also off-topic so whatever your opinion of me are they have no place here and this should be the last reply on this subject.

Yes you absolutely did.
By claiming they're legitimate, by insisting they're evidence/proof to support that Colossus "would probably" do the same in a "real fight", by insisting that Ares "easily took Wolverine out" when he didn't, by insisting that Red Hulk "easily took Wolverine out" when he didn't.
The only reason why this crap is being argued by me is because you started raping your examples of their context from day one. And when I or DDD provided the context for you, instead of recognizing that context or giving it any credence you just decided to dig your heels into the ground and started to sandwich yourself into this crazy ass waffle you're in right now.
You think I'm being juvenile and annoying? A bit of the pot calling the kettle black there.
You wanting to constantly lowball Wolverine and refusing to see how you're doing it, even when it's layed out in detail at great length FOR you.... well it doesn't get more annoying or juvenile than that my friend.

Again, stop whining that you're in an argument, stop playing the victim and acting like you didn't do this to yourself.
If you don't come to KMC looking for a debate, you're in the wrong place.

Originally posted by Trackz
my first post shows that I was never commenting on a forum fight but only the on-panel fight.
"In a real fight."

You're a liar, and you have no credability to contribute your opinion in this particular thread.

Having fun boys?

As always... Now go see TRON!

we're debating over semantics, I'm telling you when I said real fight I meant with a normal Wolverine, which is why I continued on to describe what happened on-panel. Just because you didn't get my initial statement doesn't make me a liar nor doesn't it warrant this blatant aggression.

You're reading too much into my posts again and launching attacks.
In those examples Wolverine was BFR'd easily, again it's my opinion that in a fight Colossus would probably BFR Wolverine. I wasn't low balling Wolverine because the whole time I was insisting that class 100 character could BFR him.

Because you took my posts to mean something that they didn't doesn't mean I'm a liar. If you had asked, if you had come in a somewhat civil fashion we could've cleared the discrepancies up easily. Rather you chose post in this type of belligerent fashion and pages later nothing has been resolved. I'm not even debating you, I'm not arguing whether or not Wolverine would win this fight. I never imposed my opinion rather you are intent on trying to demean me. Definition of bashing. This whole issue is off-topic. If you want start another topic entitled "I think Trackz is a liar who hates Wolverine" since you seem so intent on trying to prove it and we can continue it there.

I'm taking your posts for what they are, at face value. Should I be doing something else with them instead?

It's not my job to make up for your utter incompetence using the English language OR to sift through your ignorance using skewed examples.

If you don't like being called out on the folly that your arguments end up alluding to, then you should be more mindful of the things you say. It's as simple as that.

It shouldn't be up to us to guage what you may have possibly meant IN SPITE of what you actually said. And, if you had cleared up this "discrepancy" (yeah, okay, lets pretend it's not backtracking) from your initial responses to DDD or myself instead of continuing to beat on a dead horse trying to back skewed and ultimately worthless examples, then we wouldn't be here now.

The issue is not off topic going by WHAT YOU SAID. "In a real fight" absolutely pretains to this discussion. The examples you brought up was supposed to back that point... they're intimately related issues.

As I said, you're in the wrong place if you don't think that you spewing a bunch of (what I can only now estimate; by your own admission saying things you didn't mean-) bullshit about a character in any given situation isn't going to result in some sort of backlash.

You COULD always just put me on ignore if you have such a problem with it.

What happened to diplomacy?

out the window after repeated frustration... limits to patients and civility.

He threw Wolverine a couple hundred feet at best. That hardly constitutes a BFR, at that distance he could easily make has way back. I mean, normal humans can run a four minute mile, so that is about 22 feet per second. Wolverine is easily 5 (closer to 10, but whatever) times faster than a athletic human and has like a 30 foot vertical leap... it isn't like being tossed 100 yards is going to much of an impediment.