Doom & FF vs Thanos

oh and the Dark Rider is the version of Reed Richards of a dimension where Uatu the Watcher sent Reed Richards instead of the Human Torch to find the ultimate Nullifier...Richards took too long on Galactus' planet ship and by the time he got back Earth was stripped of life and his family the FF were dead...he went crazy and his entire purpose was to go through eavery timestream and kill the Reed Richards of the reality...he easily defeated the FF and Black Panther...Uatu came to the rescue and destroyed him since he felt he had created such a threat to reality...

in Thanos' defense...there are like 600+ fantasitic four comics and like 100 Thanos appearances...

That's...about what I got.

yea exactly, since I own most the issues of FF I have a lot of references to back them up in a fight against anyone

Originally posted by Linkalicious
I only feel that Thanos is smarter than either of them because of:

1.) the things he witnessed, experienced, and felt while obtaining
a.) the cosmic cube
b.) the Infinity Guantlet
c.) The Heart of the Universe
d.) While spending time in Death's realm

2.) He travels the ENTIRE universe...ney....parts of the Multiverse. He has seen, read, and experienced things that neither Doom or Richards has even remotely done. They are for the most part.....stuck on Earth doing their day to day stuff. Thanos cruises the entire universe.

3.) His obvious cunning...but I think that would be challenged by Doom.

All of the mentioned artifacts are classified as "equipment"...

Reed Richards regularly travels inbetween the Negative Zone and the Marvel Universe Proper, which is interdimensional transportation
Reed has a pocket universe generator.

He invented that shit. As to where Thanos just uses whatever he steals..Reed is smarter, the only one who can rival him is Brainiac.

With Prep time, Reed can take out Thanos on his own.
Doom with prep has taken out Mephisto..The "god" of evil.

Doom and Richards together with prep would blow Thanos away...xD

When the Earth was at risk of being destroyed by an army of evil Things, the result of Things skin retaliating to Thing turning human...Richards teleported the Thing to another dimension that contained a Kree planet...he could only contain them in that dimension for a few hours and had to find a solution quickly or the World would be destroyed...he got on interdimensional forum with thousands of other Reed Richards from other realities...one of them was connected to the supreme intelligence or a similar kind of hive intelligence...they gave Reed the idea for a reolution...Thanos does not have access to resources like this, or the ingenuity to build and invent like Doom or Richards....that was a cool issue though, explained a lot about the Thing and just how powerful his potential is

Originally posted by Ponem
With Prep time, Reed can take out Thanos on his own.
Doom with prep has taken out Mephisto..The "god" of evil.

Doom and Richards together with prep would blow Thanos away...xD

Oh COME ON. You're using MEPHISTO as evidence that Doom is greater than Thanos? Mehpisto is Thanos' *****. If Thanos said 'Mephisto, give yourself a wedgie" Mephisto would say "Yes daddy"

Now, I'm not arguing against you, because Doom + the Fantastic Four would take out anyone, but Doom has WAY more and better credentials than...Mephisto. And he didn't "take him out", he tricked him in his own realm. An amazing feat on it's own, but comparing it to Thanos is just silly.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Oh COME ON. You're using MEPHISTO as evidence that Doom is greater than Thanos? Mehpisto is Thanos' *****. If Thanos said 'Mephisto, give yourself a wedgie" Mephisto would say "Yes daddy"

Now, I'm not arguing against you, because Doom + the Fantastic Four would take out anyone, but Doom has WAY more and better credentials than...Mephisto. And he didn't "take him out", he tricked him in his own realm. An amazing feat on it's own, but comparing it to Thanos is just silly.

I could care less Doom beat him, i was going by pure smarts alone. Lets not forget Mephisto is a so-called "god". Mephisto is smarter then Thanos, NOT stronger. Doom is smarter then Thanos, not stronger.

How's this; Doom out-witted the Beyonder, point; set; match.

Yes, Beyonder is a better example. Doom did steal the powers of an omnipotent being.

And Thanos was an omnipotent being. At least twice.

Anyway, again, I'm not arguing against you, Thanos would most likely lose this match.

Actually, in reference to the knowledge Thanos gained while wielding the infinity gauntlet, he and Warlock actually said that the memories and knowledge they gained as supreme being faded or were fading very quickly, and that was almost right after the Infinity Gauntlet story so now they'd have near 0% recollection of things they experienced back then.

Wait wait wait.

How on earth is Mephisto smarter than Thanos?

The only way Thanos would lose to Doom and the FF is via unwittingly WILLING himself to lose. He does this quite often.

No way Doom beats Thanos head to head, with or w/o prep time. His "defeating" the Beyonder is overrated considering the Beyonder was still relatively ignorant. He only stole Galactus' converted homeworld because Galactus did not consider anyone on the planet as worthy of his notice (hence him sending his "watchdog" down in the Secret Wars mini-series). Hell, Thanos with only the Power Gem defeated Hulk, Sub-Mariner, Wolverine, Cyclops, Thor, Iron Man, Spider Man, and Doctor Doom. Shortly thereafter he defeated Galactus, Lord Chaos and Master Order, Two Celestials, Kronos, Eon, AND Eternity.

Recall him fighting Tyrant to a standstill? He did not have the IG; he had a bauble imbued with Morg's stolen power. Tyrant...is um, NASTY.

Doom and Reed are not Thanos' peers in prepping for a battle. Doom/Reed are more on par with Batman (YES, he whom devised the means to defeat Mageddon, who is far more powerful than anything Doom faced) and Black Panther (whom devised the means to take down Galactus).

Thanos' peers would include Darkseid.

Just using the power gem? This is in reference to the battle against the earth heroes in IG I assume? He wasn't just using the Power Gem even though he said he would, or else how was he able to send Firelord and Drax back in time during that battle?

Thanos DID have one of the power orbs Tyrant was collecting however how do you know it was Morg's power that was inside? On a related note, during the first half of that battle against Tyrant, Thanos only had his own power to use and when he was being badly beaten he reached for one of the orbs and used it against Tyrant.

And Mephisto isn't smarter than Thanos. But I would question as to why he'd take Mephisto as an "adviser" during the Infinity Gauntlet saga. I found that a bit odd.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Oh COME ON. You're using MEPHISTO as evidence that Doom is greater than Thanos? Mehpisto is Thanos' *****. If Thanos said 'Mephisto, give yourself a wedgie" Mephisto would say "Yes daddy"

Now, I'm not arguing against you, because Doom + the Fantastic Four would take out anyone, but Doom has WAY more and better credentials than...Mephisto. And he didn't "take him out", he tricked him in his own realm. An amazing feat on it's own, but comparing it to Thanos is just silly.

He was his '*****' in the IG storyline. Not in reality time. Besides, he had no qualms whatsoever about betraying Thanos. Mephisto wouldn't do a damn thing that Thanos told him to do unless it meant he was in actuality the one manipulating Thanos.

Even in the Infinity Crusade storyline (or was it Infinity War), Thanos wasn't too concerned with Mephisto. They made a deal for a cosmic cube, Thanos gave Mephisto a powerless cosmic cube, Mephisto made some threat and left.

Thanos is a Titan...his battle with Tyrant is a good example why Doom and FF would not try to out muscle him, its practically impossible...Thanos is very intelligent and powerful...but he usually defeats a oponent with a domino effect type plan that goes on over a long period, or just beats them into submission with his massive power...Doom and Richards are not going to try and wrestle Thanos to death..they have superior ingenuity and think on their feet....they employ technology and brains in their assualts...Thanos just blasts them...thats why i think they could get him head on.

Originally posted by Krissy Von Doom
Even in the Infinity Crusade storyline (or was it Infinity War), Thanos wasn't too concerned with Mephisto. They made a deal for a cosmic cube, Thanos gave Mephisto a powerless cosmic cube, Mephisto made some threat and left.

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Thanos would fear Mephisto, I'm just saying Mephisto is most certainly not his '*****.' He wouldn't say 'yes daddy' and any of that crap. Everyone outsmarts Mephisto, lol. Even Faust! For the Prince of Lies he seems to be a bit too trusting...

Originally posted by Wynndar
Thanos is a Titan...his battle with Tyrant is a good example why Doom and FF would not try to out muscle him, its practically impossible...Thanos is very intelligent and powerful...but he usually defeats a oponent with a domino effect type plan that goes on over a long period, or just beats them into submission with his massive power...Doom and Richards are not going to try and wrestle Thanos to death..they have superior ingenuity and think on their feet....they employ technology and brains in their assualts...Thanos just blasts them...thats why i think they could get him head on.

Word.😉

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Originally posted by Ponem
Doom and Richards together with prep would blow Thanos away...xD

And when Thanos was fighting Earth's heroes with the Infinity Gauntlet, he used every power of the gauntlet, except, if I recall correctly, he "closed his mind from all data" (or something like that) so that he could be surprised. But he used a lot more than only the Power Gem.

Big mistake to make, especially when you know that this advice was given by the ever treacherous Mephisto, waiting on a chance to betray Thanos.

side question : how does tha Living Tribunal know when to interrupt a villians plot to destroy tha multiverse?

Because he's the Living Tribunal. He knows.