So where were we..oh yeah..
When a man engages in sexual relations with another man..it's because he loves him..
When he sticks his peeper in a mans poop shot..that's love..
When he goes down on all fours and barks like a dog and says hit me baby one more time I'm you're biatch..that mean's he's really in love..
So yes Homosexuality is love..as is choosing to be banged up the bunghole...
Now why can't Gay's have the same rights as straights...well this brings me back to the Civil Rights days..the days of Martin Luther the King..
When he said I had a dream..he really meant that he had a "wet dream"
See what he meant was that we all can't dream about the same things...
Some people dream about going to space, some people dream about getting married, some people dream about having kids, and some people dream about hairy sailors and bikers giving them..well I don't want to get into that..
THe point is that we all have dreams, and the government should accomadate to the dream of everyman..whether it be a wet dream, whether that person be black, white, asian, pedophile, gay, anarchist, wifebeater, drug addict etc...equality for all people..
Originally posted by Makedde
Where is the proof that it is 'normal' to be straight? There is no proof, if there were, we'd all be in therapy. Just because there are more straight people than gay people, doesn't mean it is normal to be straight. It is normal to be both. Sexuality is normal, love and emotion is normal.
Hmmm....
A man produces sperm. A woman has ovaries.
It is necessary for a heterosexual man and woman to copulate, so that the human race will continue.
It is what they were designed for, and also necessary to survive, so I would also define it as "normal."
(Homosexual humans would cause the end of the species if they were all that existed, so I would say that it is abnormal. As most of the people arguing this point are evolutionists, they should know that behaviors that maintain/advance the development of a species are what is "normal" behavior for said species.)
Further more, heterosexual familys, consisting of a heterosexual man and woman, and heterosexual children who continue the cycle, are what has maintained society's for thousands of years, and what leads to a society being able to develop/refine techology, medicine, intellect, etc.... to allow us to have even gotten to the point that you, or anyone else has become "enlightened" enough to make such a statement.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
You're so full of shit.
You're right. He is using the known, undisputed biological facts that human beings were designed to be heterosexual in order to pro-create in a debate about homosexuality being genetic or choice.
He's so full of it. But not as much as you are. 🙁
Anyway, I support the theory that Cajun posted earlier. It may not be as much of a conscious choice, but it definately comes from environment.
Case in point, a friend of my wife's family was gay. A sensitive black man, he grew up in a bad neighborhood in L.A. He lived around gang members and drug dealers, but never felt that he could be as tough as they were. After several beatings, he supposed that he wasn't meant to "be a man", and pursued homosexuality. He lived a life of drug addiction, trading sexual favors for money/dope.(This is not meant to be typical/representative of all gay people).
After moving away to the bay area, he met some Christian men, and was counseled, helped and treated for his drug addictions through the Church. Sober, clean, and happier than he had been in a while, he then pursued Christianity. In his own words "The Lord saved me. He cleaned me, and showed me that all men, while equal, can do different things. I dont have to be the meanest man in town, just the best man that I can be."
In a session of intense prayer, with several God-fearing men, he felt the Holy Spirit come over him, and he lost any and all homosexual desires/tendencies.
That was ten years ago. I met him now, as a man in his fifties, happily married to a great woman.
He sings worship songs to God. He has a beautiful, soft voice, and is very intelligent/insightfull.
He preaches to gay people, because he knows that they might turn to the love of God if he tells them, rather than a straight Christian, who probably dishonors his faith by speaking out of hate/condemnation, rather than love.
It is not a genetic factor that determines homosexuality, at least in my life experiences,.... it is a product of environment.
With love and support, it can be overcome. 🙂
Arguably it might be a valid argument if there was only a very small community of humans facing extinction if everybody didn't chip in and have babies - however humanity has reached the point where that is not the case, no matter how extreme one makes it and where we advocate peoples choice and their right to free will and love...
Afterall sex, for humanity, has moved beyond simply being the process where by babies are made.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Hmmm....A man produces sperm. A woman has ovaries.
It is necessary for a heterosexual man and woman to copulate, so that the human race will continue.
It is what they were designed for, and also necessary to survive, so I would also define it as "normal."
(Homosexual humans would cause the end of the species if they were all that existed, so I would say that it is abnormal. As most of the people arguing this point are evolutionists, they should know that behaviors that maintain/advance the development of a species are what is "normal" behavior for said species.)
Further more, heterosexual familys, consisting of a heterosexual man and woman, and heterosexual children who continue the cycle, are what has maintained society's for thousands of years, and what leads to a society being able to develop/refine techology, medicine, intellect, etc.... to allow us to have even gotten to the point that you, or anyone else has become "enlightened" enough to make such a statement.
You're right. He is using the known, undisputed biological facts that human beings were designed to be heterosexual in order to pro-create in a debate about homosexuality being genetic or choice.
He's so full of it. But not as much as you are. 🙁
Anyway, I support the theory that Cajun posted earlier. It may not be as much of a conscious choice, but it definately comes from environment.
Case in point, a friend of my wife's family was gay. A sensitive black man, he grew up in a bad neighborhood in L.A. He lived around gang members and drug dealers, but never felt that he could be as tough as they were. After several beatings, he supposed that he wasn't meant to "be a man", and pursued homosexuality. He lived a life of drug addiction, trading sexual favors for money/dope.(This is not meant to be typical/representative of all gay people).
After moving away to the bay area, he met some Christian men, and was counseled, helped and treated for his drug addictions through the Church. Sober, clean, and happier than he had been in a while, he then pursued Christianity. In his own words "The Lord saved me. He cleaned me, and showed me that all men, while equal, can do different things. I dont have to be the meanest man in town, just the best man that I can be."
In a session of intense prayer, with several God-fearing men, he felt the Holy Spirit come over him, and he lost any and all homosexual desires/tendencies.
That was ten years ago. I met him now, as a man in his fifties, happily married to a great woman.
He sings worship songs to God. He has a beautiful, soft voice, and is very intelligent/insightfull.
He preaches to gay people, because he knows that they might turn to the love of God if he tells them, rather than a straight Christian, who probably dishonors his faith by speaking out of hate/condemnation, rather than love.
It is not a genetic factor that determines homosexuality, at least in my life experiences,.... it is a product of environment.
With love and support, it can be overcome. 🙂
Excellent post. You are right. No man should be judged/condemned by another, and as a Christian one shouldn't spread a message of hate..but instead one of love. I do get a bit carried away with myself at times, but believe me..there is indeed "love" in the methods I use to get my point across.
Good show my friend. Peace out on this one guys.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Hmmm....A man produces sperm. A woman has ovaries.
It is necessary for a heterosexual man and woman to copulate, so that the human race will continue.
It is what they were designed for, and also necessary to survive, so I would also define it as "normal."
(Homosexual humans would cause the end of the species if they were all that existed, so I would say that it is abnormal. As most of the people arguing this point are evolutionists, they should know that behaviors that maintain/advance the development of a species are what is "normal" behavior for said species.)
Further more, heterosexual familys, consisting of a heterosexual man and woman, and heterosexual children who continue the cycle, are what has maintained society's for thousands of years, and what leads to a society being able to develop/refine techology, medicine, intellect, etc.... to allow us to have even gotten to the point that you, or anyone else has become "enlightened" enough to make such a statement.
You're right. He is using the known, undisputed biological facts that human beings were designed to be heterosexual in order to pro-create in a debate about homosexuality being genetic or choice.
He's so full of it. But not as much as you are. 🙁
Anyway, I support the theory that Cajun posted earlier. It may not be as much of a conscious choice, but it definately comes from environment.
Case in point, a friend of my wife's family was gay. A sensitive black man, he grew up in a bad neighborhood in L.A. He lived around gang members and drug dealers, but never felt that he could be as tough as they were. After several beatings, he supposed that he wasn't meant to "be a man", and pursued homosexuality. He lived a life of drug addiction, trading sexual favors for money/dope.(This is not meant to be typical/representative of all gay people).
After moving away to the bay area, he met some Christian men, and was counseled, helped and treated for his drug addictions through the Church. Sober, clean, and happier than he had been in a while, he then pursued Christianity. In his own words "The Lord saved me. He cleaned me, and showed me that all men, while equal, can do different things. I dont have to be the meanest man in town, just the best man that I can be."
In a session of intense prayer, with several God-fearing men, he felt the Holy Spirit come over him, and he lost any and all homosexual desires/tendencies.
That was ten years ago. I met him now, as a man in his fifties, happily married to a great woman.
He sings worship songs to God. He has a beautiful, soft voice, and is very intelligent/insightfull.
He preaches to gay people, because he knows that they might turn to the love of God if he tells them, rather than a straight Christian, who probably dishonors his faith by speaking out of hate/condemnation, rather than love.
It is not a genetic factor that determines homosexuality, at least in my life experiences,.... it is a product of environment.
With love and support, it can be overcome. 🙂
✅ 👆 Orale puez!
One thing that science and religion can both agree on, is that the purpose of life is to create more life. Gay people have no desire to do so with the opposite sex: therefore a biological anomaly.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Arguably it might be a valid argument if there was only a very small community of humans facing extinction if everybody didn't chip in and have babies - however humanity has reached the point where that is not the case, no matter how extreme one makes it and where we advocate peoples choice and their right to free will and love...Afterall sex, for humanity, has moved beyond simply being the process where by babies are made.
So since it's not necessary for pro-creation(i.e... there are enough straight people) heterosexuality is now not "normal" ?
Humanity has moved sex into being about free-will, expression, love, etc...
Sex is still what it always has been.
( Or as my rather hilarious, and graphically descriptive, grandmother used to put it: 'Every generation thinks they invented the wheel when it comes to sex'😉
Homosexuality has been around for thousands of years. It didn't just now turn into a way that people express sexuality.
So your statement that things may have been that way before, but aren't now doesn't change anything.
People are heterosexual, not by nature, but by NECESSITY of nature.
We would not survive if everybody was a homosexual.
Those who choose homosexuality are no more "normal" now than they would have been in the Dark Ages, when people lived to 30-50, and needed to procreate.
Homosexuality, as I said in my earlier post, is something that comes from enviornment, conditioning, and (in this day and age of Will and Grace, Queer Eye, Brokeback Mountain, watched by 2 gay parents with kids)...grooming.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
A man produces sperm. A woman has ovaries.It is necessary for a heterosexual man and woman to copulate, so that the human race will continue.
True, but there will always be more straight people than gay people, so the human race will always continue.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
It is what they were designed for, and also necessary to survive, so I would also define it as "normal."
That still doesn't mean it's abnormal, not to me, anyway.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
(Homosexual humans would cause the end of the species if they were all that existed, so I would say that it is abnormal. As most of the people arguing this point are evolutionists, they should know that behaviors that maintain/advance the development of a species are what is "normal" behavior for said species.)
As I said, there will never be more homosexuals than heterosexuals, so why people worry about the human race, I don't have a clue.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Case in point, a friend of my wife's family was gay. A sensitive black man, he grew up in a bad neighborhood in L.A. He lived around gang members and drug dealers, but never felt that he could be as tough as they were. After several beatings, he supposed that he wasn't meant to "be a man", and pursued homosexuality. He lived a life of drug addiction, trading sexual favors for money/dope.(This is not meant to be typical/representative of all gay people).After moving away to the bay area, he met some Christian men, and was counseled, helped and treated for his drug addictions through the Church. Sober, clean, and happier than he had been in a while, he then pursued Christianity. In his own words "The Lord saved me. He cleaned me, and showed me that all men, while equal, can do different things. I dont have to be the meanest man in town, just the best man that I can be."
In a session of intense prayer, with several God-fearing men, he felt the Holy Spirit come over him, and he lost any and all homosexual desires/tendencies.
That was ten years ago. I met him now, as a man in his fifties, happily married to a great woman.
He sings worship songs to God. He has a beautiful, soft voice, and is very intelligent/insightfull.
He preaches to gay people, because he knows that they might turn to the love of God if he tells them, rather than a straight Christian, who probably dishonors his faith by speaking out of hate/condemnation, rather than love.
I can say that if this man was really, 100% gay, he'd still be with a man. You can't make yourself be someone you are not. You can't force yourself to be attracted to someone you are not. This man was never gay at all, probably just confused.
Originally posted by Darth_Midal
just got two points to make. The first is if you look at the subject of Homosexuality from a religious point of view the proof is here that it is a choice. All children are born free of sin and Homosexuality condems your soul to hell as a sin (according to the bible) therefore Homosexuality is a choice because children aren't born into sin. The second is not about whether it's a choice or genetic it's about the notion of Gay Pride days when was the last time we held a straight pride day where we got to parade the streets proclaiming how proud we are to be straight. Why does the Homosexual community find it necessary to hold such ridiculous days????
My religion says that homosexuality is natural. You say this from a religious point of view, but because you can't prove that God exists, you have no proof of him at all, we should not even raise the religious issue about this.
Gay Pride Day isn't ridiculous, it's one day a year when gays and lesbians can actually walk down the street and tell us that they are PROUD and happy to be the way they are. It's probably the most special, important day of the year for them, the one day where they actually feel like society accepts them.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Hmmm....A man produces sperm. A woman has ovaries.
It is necessary for a heterosexual man and woman to copulate, so that the human race will continue.
It is what they were designed for, and also necessary to survive, so I would also define it as "normal."
(Homosexual humans would cause the end of the species if they were all that existed, so I would say that it is abnormal. As most of the people arguing this point are evolutionists, they should know that behaviors that maintain/advance the development of a species are what is "normal" behavior for said species.)
Further more, heterosexual familys, consisting of a heterosexual man and woman, and heterosexual children who continue the cycle, are what has maintained society's for thousands of years, and what leads to a society being able to develop/refine techology, medicine, intellect, etc.... to allow us to have even gotten to the point that you, or anyone else has become "enlightened" enough to make such a statement.
A homosexual invented the computer. If not for him, you would not have the means to express your "enlightened" views. 🙄
Originally posted by sithsaber408
You're right. He is using the known, undisputed biological facts that human beings were designed to be heterosexual in order to pro-create in a debate about homosexuality being genetic or choice.He's so full of it. But not as much as you are.
Someone certainly is full of it. First, human beings are not "designed." Second, whether or not sexual orientation is chosen or genetic has nothing to do with the ability to procreate.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Anyway, I support the theory that Cajun posted earlier. It may not be as much of a conscious choice, but it definately comes from environment.
Sexual orientation, whether it be heterosexual or homosexual is not something that one chooses. Studies indicate that sexual orientation has a genetic or biological component, and is determined before birth. Like heterosexuals, gays and lesbians discover their sexuality as a process of maturing, they are not recruited, seduced or taught to be homosexual.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Case in point, a friend of my wife's family was gay. A sensitive black man, he grew up in a bad neighborhood in L.A. He lived around gang members and drug dealers, but never felt that he could be as tough as they were. After several beatings, he supposed that he wasn't meant to "be a man", and pursued homosexuality. He lived a life of drug addiction, trading sexual favors for money/dope.(This is not meant to be typical/representative of all gay people).
Many people suffer from all types of abuse and neglect as children, yet grow up to be heterosexual. There is no correlation between any of these occurrences and homosexuality.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
After moving away to the bay area, he met some Christian men, and was counseled, helped and treated for his drug addictions through the Church. Sober, clean, and happier than he had been in a while, he then pursued Christianity. In his own words "The Lord saved me. He cleaned me, and showed me that all men, while equal, can do different things. I dont have to be the meanest man in town, just the best man that I can be."In a session of intense prayer, with several God-fearing men, he felt the Holy Spirit come over him, and he lost any and all homosexual desires/tendencies.
That was ten years ago. I met him now, as a man in his fifties, happily married to a great woman.
He sings worship songs to God. He has a beautiful, soft voice, and is very intelligent/insightfull.
He preaches to gay people, because he knows that they might turn to the love of God if he tells them, rather than a straight Christian, who probably dishonors his faith by speaking out of hate/condemnation, rather than love.
It is not a genetic factor that determines homosexuality, at least in my life experiences,.... it is a product of environment.
With love and support, it can be overcome.
According to the American Psychological Association, no scientific evidence exists to support the effectiveness of any therapies that attempt to convert homosexuals to heterosexuals. The American Psychological Association Executive Director Dr. Raymond Fowler also states that "Groups who try to change the sexual orientation of people... are misguided and run the risk of causing a great deal of psychological harm to those they say they are trying to help."
Originally posted by Darth Surgent
Exhibit A: A man sees an aesthetically pleasing woman and has an erection. That same man sees an aesthetically pleasing man, and has no reaction.Exhibit B: A man sees an aesthetically pleasing man and has an erection. That same man sees an aesthetically pleasing woman, and has no reaction.
Neither man chose to be the way he is. Both were born that way, and they will die that way.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Excellent post. You are right. No man should be judged/condemned by another, and as a Christian one shouldn't spread a message of hate..but instead one of love. I do get a bit carried away with myself at times, but believe me..there is indeed "love" in the methods I use to get my point across.Good show my friend. Peace out on this one guys.
It's hard to see love in a message that basically says "You two guys can't be together. What? Love? Screw that, you need to get into unfulfilling relationships with women so you can produce babies. Lots and lots of babies. Thus concludes todays message of love."
We would not survive if everybody was a homosexual.
Is there there any possible way to see a future where everybody is gay? Or there are enough people that are gay the fate of humanity is at stake? Any at all? The thing is, it's never going to happen. Homosexuality does not, and never would, threaten the continuation of humanity. And if it one day did, well I'd eat my hat, but still be content in knowing that while humanity might die out, people would at least be happy.
And as to habit - Will & Grace, Brokeback mountain, gay parents - once again the majority of gay people out there came from straight parents. A straight world. It seems to me, if that logic worked, that homosexuality is a product of the heterosexual world. And besides, if humanity was foolish enough to base it's sexuality on a movie, well it deserves extinction. Just like those that claim videogames make them think killing is ok.