Originally posted by Afro Cheese
Oh, so it's SOCIETY'S fault that he built his entire family on the basis of a lie, because he was too scared to admit he was gay. How about a little personal responsibility for once, instead of blaming everything on homophobia?
In this instance, it is or most likely is... Do you honestly think if gays had every right and every bit of respect that straight people do, there would be a need for gay men and women to hide their homosexuality?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah. I am jsut saying that a son of such a divorce might very well blame the person that is responsible for it.
Can't argue with you there.
But ultamately it is society's fault. But then again...if the Gay man never got married and had sex with the woman, that boy wouldn't be born.
Maybe in the end, it was better that this happened....if he would have been honest about who he was to begin with, the son would never exist.....
Gotta look at it both ways. ✅
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Can't argue with you there.But ultamately it is society's fault. But then again...if the Gay man never got married and had sex with the woman, that boy wouldn't be born.
Maybe in the end, it was better that this happened....if he would have been honest about who he was to begin with, the son would never exist.....
Gotta look at it both ways. ✅
Yeah, I agree. but it's with a lot of things like that..ultimately you can usually blame Society. I jsut believe in some personal responsibility.
Although, as you pointed out it is unreasonable to argue that way, since well, the boy wouldn't have existed (not that he would care), but I guess peopel are not reasonaböe in such a situation.
Originally posted by RobtardI'm not saying society doesn't play a role in this, but his actions can't be justified by society's homophobia. He built an entire relationship on lies, not only a relationship but a family. If he knew from the get-go that he was gay, then nobody is at fault but him. It is society's fault that he felt the need to hide his sexuality, it's his fault that he lied to his wife since the day he met her and apparently had no regaurd for her feelings whatsoever. He didn't HAVE to get married and have kids to hide his sexuality. That is his wrong doing.
In this instance, it is or most likely is... Do you honestly think if gays had every right and every bit of respect that straight people do, there would be a need for gay men and women to hide their homosexuality?
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Originally posted by Bardock42
More than 64 would be nice though..to say something you know..like...1000 maybe...or more.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Yes, I'd heard about that study not long, it provides some excellent ground work for further studies on the subject.
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Originally posted by TheBalance
Valid Points, but there are the opposites as well.
i'd like to point out the reasons i'm against homsexuality: Religion, My father is and he's only doing it for fun and it wrecked my family, and i find its harder to be straight these days than to be gay.
Entering debate on this post rather late I see, but I can't help that - I just have to wonder:
Homosexuality is not responsible for your fathers choice. He is. Why blame homosexuality? Blame him. All the men and women out their that cheat and do things that damage the family - yet rarely in such cases I hear "I hate heterosexuality because my dad is off having wild sex with his secretary for fun! And it has split the family!"
And if you find it hard to be "straight" maybe that is telling you something. Maybe you are gay, or more likely bi. Either way you shouldn't let you fathers mistakes define your life, or cause you to hate/dislike a large group of innocent people because you can't see were the blame truly lies. Hell, if you father hadn't be homosexual he might still have done the same thing, only instead it would have been with a women.
I ask - is an affair more justified or forgivable if it is a heterosexual one?
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I'm not painting you as the bad guy.
I'm disdainful of the man because he screwed up his family's lives in a similar manner to a man who has an affair.
Originally posted by FeceMan
Then stop babbling on about how I'm the close-minded, hard-headed conservative who is unwilling to change his ways--despite my being latter two, it's irrelevant--and how I'm disdainful of the man because he's gay.I'm disdainful of the man because he screwed up his family's lives in a similar manner to a man who has an affair.
Tough words, considering I said you aren't typically the kind to behave in such a manner. You consider the situation a bad one because he's gay and decided not to hide it anymore. What should this kid want more? To be alive at all, or never have been born becuase his dad never decided to have a family at all? What? Gay people shouldn't be allowed to have families? It's just too bad that people in his position have to decieve the people they care the most about to acheive that dream. This guy started a family and likely did so because he was scared to even confront his homosexuality on a personal level. So, he did what was expected of any man in his position. You rhink he's wrong for not lying anymore, and that's likely because you think that he should just go through the rest of his life lying to his family and being unhappy. Which is the perspective of many people on your side of the aisle.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Tough words, considering I said you aren't typically the kind to behave in such a manner. You consider the situation a bad one because he's gay and decided not to hide it anymore. What should this kid want more? To be alive at all, or never have been born becuase his dad never decided to have a family at all? What? Gay people shouldn't be allowed to have families? It's just too bad that people in his position have to decieve the people they care the most about to acheive that dream. This guy started a family and likely did so because he was scared to even confront his homosexuality on a personal level. So, he did what was expected of any man in his position. You rhink he's wrong for not lying anymore, and that's likely because you think that he should just go through the rest of his life lying to his family and being unhappy. Which is the perspective of many people on your side of the aisle.
I never said that I thought he was wrong for not lying anymore. Rather, I said it was wrong for him to destroy his family. This just happens to coincide with his "being honest".
Stop putting words in my mouth, whob.
And, yes, I think he should sacrifice his happiness for his family's. And do you know why? He made a commitment when he married his wife. He had a child (or children) with her. And now he decides to break up his marriage because he's gay?
Tough nuggets.
Everyone has to live with the consequences of his or her actions. Sometimes there are really shitty consequences for one's actions--and people still manage.
Originally posted by FeceMan
I never said that I thought he was wrong for not lying anymore. Rather, I said it was wrong for him to destroy his family. This just happens to coincide with his "being honest".
You're putting him in a rock in a hard place...what do you reccomend he do?
1. Come out and divorce, being honest to everyone, but breaking up our family.
2. Stay closeted and continually lie to your spouse and your children for the rest of your life.
Originally posted by FeceMan
So now we're going to disguise "destroying his family" with "realizing himself and being honest"?I never said that I thought he was wrong for not lying anymore. Rather, I said it was wrong for him to destroy his family. This just happens to coincide with his "being honest".
Stop putting words in my mouth, whob.
And, yes, I think he should sacrifice his happiness for his family's. And do you know why? He made a commitment when he married his wife. He had a child (or children) with her. And now he decides to break up his marriage because he's gay?
Tough nuggets.
Everyone has to live with the consequences of his or her actions. Sometimes there are really shitty consequences for one's actions--and people still manage.
He made a commitment to his wife, yes. But do you think she'd want to stay married to man that is gay? No, I doubt it. Again, you think that he's just going to have to live life up shit creek. So, you're basically agreeing with what I've been saying. I also never said he "realized" he was gay, I said he hid it for so long, marriage was just the next logical step. I say good for him. I say it sucks that the kid can't cope with his dad being gay. But I doubt that telling his family was a descision he reached lightly. Basically I'm just repeating myself over and over again, and you keep telling me I'm putting words in your mouth when I'm actually saying exactly what you're saying. The whole point of our disagreement over this topic is basically described by your words, "Tough Nuggets" and I think he shouldn't have to live that way.
Originally posted by lord xyz
If Homosexuality is gentic, then what about Bisexuality?
I'm Bisexual, and I don't thnk I was born that way. I didn't choose it either though....
I just became taht way over time....if this helps at all, ill explain why I think this:
When I was in elementary school, I pretty much only liked girls. I never thought of a guy in any romantic way, only in terms of being freinds. When I started to become "sexual" or whatever, went through puberty, i only thought of girls at first...then somehow, i became more curious about guys....but because of peer pressure, i stopped thinking that way for a while.
I still liked girls more ne way, cuz there was so many hott girls in 8th grade, and none of the guys were that good looking....
Then I went to High School, and I was surrounded by really hott girls...but also reallllyyyy hott guys....I never met guys I thought were that hott before...I duno, i began to stare at guys more, then think about guys more, then masturbate over the thought of guys....
I still thought I was "straight" because I was taught being Gay was a choice, so I figured "If that's true, then I can choose to go back to being straight any time I want"
Well, that aint the case....I still liked guys regardless of what I told myself...I still thought some guys were hott as hell, just as hott as any of the girls, if not hotter......
As of now, I actually prefer men over women, even though I still find women hott. The point is, I can't really pin point what happened. I didn't become "bisexual" over night. It happened over time, without my permission, very slowly, and without me even realizing it. I developed into it....i wasn't born it, but I didn't choose it either
Hope that helped. 🙂