actually, he meant plant,....a plant is someone who was "planted" into a certain situation, to sway the events in a certain way. They also have another name for plants, theyre called a spy or a mole. None-the-less, he was never affiliated with the sith or anything like that, ya know what they call a jedi who is down with the Sith.......A SITH!!!
Originally posted by Red Xdid kenobi suspect anakin. they had been together for a long time as well
Guys, he just misspeled, He wanted to say PLAN, thought I doubt that was a plan. Qui Qon Jin succesfully trained Obi Wan Kenobi, Obi Wan didnt suspect a thing. And those two must have been together for a long time...
I think Qui Gon Jinn was a Sith Plant;
Watching Episode I again, I couldn't help but notice Qui Gonn's disobedience to the Jedi order.
His demeanor was pleasant, but some of his advice was horrendous.
A few tidbits of his bad advice:
In the begining, Obi-wan mentions his feelings of something elusive but Qui Gonn basically tells him to focus on the now. This is similar to the ideal of a teenager, the concept of here and now is the product of an inexperienced mind. An older person, especially someone of Qui Gonn's years, should know to always be mindful of the past, present, and future.
Later, he tells Anakin not to think in the Pod races, Anakin is told to use his instinct - again this is pretty stupid. Imagine a world where we all act on instinct, our conscience thoughts proportion our minds.
A few other things; he cheats when Watto tosses the dice to chose between freeing Anakin and his mother - it's one thing to use the Jedi mind trick when necessary and yet a completely different thing to utterly cheat someone.
Qui Gonn is also very disobedient to the Jedi council.
It was wrong for Qui Gonn to take Anakin as his pupil, a man of his age should know when to not act beyond his means. A man of wisdom he should have sensed the conflict inside Anakin just as Mace and Yoda did.
Then in his fight with Maul he died so easily and stupidly, if his skill was so weak then how did he last against Maul for as long as he did.
Something isn't right with Qui Gonn, but I can't put my finger on it.
If he is Sith then perhaps that's what Obi-wan was sensing in the begining.
In all honesty can you really see any other Jedi, such as Yoda, Mace, or Obi-wan acting as replacement to Qui Gonn. Try rewatching the Phantom Menance and image any other Jedi in Qui Gonn's place, it won't fit.
Someting doesn't fit right with the notion of him being a true Jedi.
This is a strange theory, it could work, in a way. But also, take into account that he believed that Anakin was the chosen one, that would bring balance to the force. Balance is good, balance is what the Jedi wanted, so he probably was looking out for the future of the Jedi and the better of the force... maybe QGJ was just a more rebellious Jedi.
Unless his interpretation of 'balance' was to have an equal number of jedi as there are sith.
Quigon as a sith plant could also explain how maul found him so quickly.
I think that it's strange how the one thing obi-wan is trying to teach anakin is to follow the jedi code, and to think about his actions rather than acting on his feelings. Whereas, quigon told anakin to 'feel, dont think'
He also says to anakin 'trust your instincts' , and palpatine tells him 'when you learn to trust your instincts, you willl be unstoppable'
It has been stated in this forum many times; Sidious WAS the imbalance, Qui Gon foresaw that Anakin would kill Palps, and the rest of the order were too obsessed with the dark side clouding everything....
As for the theory that he was a sith plant, he can't have been, because there are only 2 sith. Maul was a sith, therefore I think the story is out the window.
Unlike some other members I do not think it is ridiculous, or silly, it is just impossible.
And Dooku was NOT a sith when he trained QGJ, so that is no reason to believe He would be.
I've read all this and found it -very- interesting, but I have some ideas for you all to perhaps consider...
The idea of there being only two Sith is a silly concept in itself. The idea of abusing the Force, becoming a follower of the dark path, and the off-chance that you will find the one other remnant of Sithdom in an entire galaxy is something I don't much agree with. Sith were never ones for complete cooperation, so it is perhaps plausible to hypothesize of various Sith factions (or dark side factions if you have too strict a definition for Sith) to which Qui Gon was perhaps a member of. Certainly his way of going about things was contradictory to the ways of the Order. And -if- he knew that Anakin would strike down Sidious, even if he were a Sith, and especially if he was a Sith plant under Sidious, would he not try for his luck? The teachings of the Sith talk of passion, or intense feelings which are supposed to guide one's Force-given gifts... It teaches of the respect for power, and to strike down those when they are at their weakest... and it especially fosters ambition in its students. If Qui Gon was even considering becoming an outcast or dark jedi he would have been eager to eliminate the most visible Sith leader in a bid for power.
As far as balance goes, I believe the idea of balance as applied to SW isn't so much about good to evil, or even Sith to Jedi... I think it's more related to the stagnation or perhaps corruption of the Jedi teachings. Perhaps they have failed to embrace all their students and properly instruct them. Notice how a whole gaggle of kids were being taught Form I by Yoda... And I bet many Jedi had numerous teachers. It must have been frustrating for children growing up, having to cope with normal pains of growing coupled with the responsibility of wielding the Force. I'm actually surprised the Jedi don't concentrate more on philosophical and ethical development first, and then work on the Force after maturity. Perhaps than Jedi who slipped through the cracks like Anakin might have been saved.