Passion of the Christ...

Uh, okay. I guess we have kind of hit a dead end here. I don't agree with you, and you don't agree with me.

All I can say is that, since the narrative structure is limited to the last 12 hours of Christ, there is little time for character development. I'm sure you remember Scorcesse's movie about Jesus, and the whole point of that movie was to show how Christ felt leading up to his execution, but it didn't really change our feelings about it.
Plus, do we really need it? Honestly? The film wouldn't be any better if we see Jesus go through a character arch. It would just be overkill at that point. That is just something people need these days to think that they have seen something worthwhile. Something which changes in front of their eyes.
Read up on it, I think there is only 7 types of story one can write about.

And I agree with you about Irreversible's violence being, more or less, more realistic. But, I don't agree with you over the comment that it wasn't "as nearly" overdone.
Gasper Noe set out to shock the audience. The Rape scene is completley over done, and I'm sure most of us get that rape is terribe in the first 30 seconds, after which, it just gets boring. and the fire extinguisher has Daft Punk blaring in the background. But EVEN on those grounds, the violence in Passion serves much more of a purpose than the violence in Irreversible.

...And just to add about the comment you said about the violence in Passion, "It was pretty average from what I've seen".
I wrote a recent school paper about violence in the media, and I took examples from early and modern war movies, to Hentai, to Holocaust movies back to plain old horror movies, and the violence in Passion, though not creative or as bloody as in other movies, i.e. Irreverisible, is still the most amount of realistic violence ever crammed into a film. The film's sole purpose was to show how violent Jesus' death was. Its almost pornography. It just goes on and on, and no film has ever shown violence in those amounts before. It may not be shocking but it is definitley brutal.

But with that aside, I know for a fact, that this movie has been a definite break-through in life for alot of people, and even though, you find it "boring" it has really helped alot of people. And that falls into the category that I mentioned before, "Some people got it and some people didn't."

All I can say is that, since the narrative structure is limited to the last 12 hours of Christ, there is little time for character development."

As I've said before, if the structure and premise of the film doesn't allow them to add the basic, most important elements of film, then they shouldn't have made the movie to begin with. The excuse of "the story doesn't allow...." isn't relevent to me.

And when I said 'average' I meant the way it was presented, with loud, dramatic music playing in the back ground, basic hollywood formula. Had the violence had no music playing in the background, I think it woulda helped, it was one of the things that made Irreversibles rape scene so powerful, it was just so simplistic that it was like looking into a window to some real life woman getting raped.

Anway, I guess we have hit a dead end here, so props to you for having a good, thought out discussion with me.

Your welcome.

There doesn't need to be a specific character development...it's all played out in that moment of time....unless you would like it to be 3 hours of flash backs to serve your needs!!

OH! question...is there a DTS track on the DVD?

I loved this film. It got me back to my church more and more often, and I pick up the bible every day now. It has helped me so much to understand what Jesus has done for me and all our lives (my religious belief-I'm christian, not sure if all of you guys are too, but share your thoughts). And my friends have asked me why I want to buy it...they think this is a movie you see once in a lifetime because it is so tragically scarring. Well, for me, this movie is almost like a daily bread for all christians. I think that they should watch it everyday to help remind them why they are going to heaven, and why they are able to.

I liked the movie,but watching it everyday ? 😑

not everyday....i said in the terms of watching it to give you a reason to feel good....sure the visuals don't present that, but...as a christian....it is a truly uplifting movie...and even non-christians know what it is meant to be....and don't watch it everday....i don't think everyone would like that...try like every month or so...to remind you why you're going to heaven....for christians, i mean...perhaps it can help non-christians be born again...

Good flick,Im a christian,but I dont think you need to watch this movie to be a christian.Just pick up a bible or go to a church service,or watching it once a year is good 😖

that's not what I am saying!!! Watching this movie doesn't make you a christian! What I'm trying to say....is that this movie will help remind you....and if you're a christian and you are not reading the bible enough or not going to church enough....watch this, and it'll remind you to what extent he went to to save you.....then you, pick up your bible and read more...and more...and more....i'm saying....you don't have to use the violent parts as reminders all the time....im saying that you should watch the touching flashbacks with Jesus and his disciples if you're alone one day....and you're bible's not in front of you, but your DVD player is...just to clarify....

and the year idea is what I'm going to do....on Good Friday...

If your a christian and your not reading the bible or going to church,then read the bible and go to church 😛.You shouldnt have to watch a film to get you to go to church.If you really knew God and have experienced his love than you should want to go anyway.But if you need a movie to get you to go to church or read your bible then just dont bother 😬

I'll agree on reading the Bible, granted I need to do it more often myself. Watching the movie isn't necessarily a substitute, and while it should be a catalyst for devoting yourself to your religion, going to church, in all honesty isn't that important.

Organized religion, by way of segregation and denomination, is a sham. A personal relationship with Jesus is the way I have been living for quite some time now. read the Bible regularly, watch The Passion whenever you feel like, and try and tithe, even when you can't. It's all good.

BTW, less than 4 weeks until the DVD. 😎

I dont really want to get religious on on you because I understand that is not aloud in these forums.But going to church is very important.And different christians out there and ill name 2

1.Typical christian who goes to church once a week but doesnt live a christian life,and thinks hes going to heaven because he shows up once a week.
2.A christian who goes to church,has recieved the baptisim of the holy ghost and is filled with the holy spirit,and lives a christian life.

Going to church is very important.Hearing the preaching and praying at the alter stregnthens your relationship with God and makes you stronger in the lord.It gives you something that you cant get by watching "The Passion"every week 😬

Cant wait for the dvd myself 😎

Screw the Passtion of the Christ; Four more weeks untill The Passion of the Jew hits on DVD 😄

did you know:

that the very episode of the South Patk series, I assume, you speak of never came up with one real attack on the movie itself. All they said, in the entire show, was that Mel Gibson is "weird" and it was wrong of him to focus on Christ's death, in which, a film like this should have focused on Christ's life.

Stan said a few direct criticisms on The Passion I believe. I haven't seen the episode for a while so I don't remember precisely what those were. I believe he called it a glorified snuff film, and another audience member said "It really guilts you into believing Christs story".

All of which is either redundant or obvious. Also, what connects both of those comments, "...a glorified snuff film...” and "It really guilts you into believing Christs story", is that people believe that Mel Gibson placed the amount of violence not just on a shock basis, which in all honesty it is, but also as a narrative structure. There is no better way to "punish and convict" audiences and cultures revolving around violence theses days than to show the ironic murder of a peaceful man.
It is just so neat.

Its an amazing more 😐

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