"Right, but when the film forgoes entertainment in order to slame us in the head with it's message, that is a problem. This film was boring, I don't see how it couldn't be. It was repetitve, repetition is boring. "
I thought the film was entertaining. If I had nothing to do, I would watch it. I think the same about films like Fight Club, American Beauty, Clockwork Orange, Happiness, and so forth. All which can be seen as heavy handed and boring approaches to a subject, but....uh...I assure you, they're not.
"I've been on topic this whole time, don't know where that comment came from. "
I'm sorry, I just got somewhat carried away. What I meant is that, we have already discussed that in great depth, and there is no need to go over it again.
"And the difference between The Passion and the types of films you mentioned above is that those films know what they are. They don't claim to be anything else. This film was NOT powerful, it was NOT dramtic. It is IMPOSSIBLE for a film to be dramatic if a film has no character development of any kind. If you don't care about whats happening on screen, then drama is impossible. Holy shit, common sense there. Also, it is not irrelevent because of your little violence description. A snuff film is not entertaining to normal people. It is a video of a person getting killed or tortured. That is exactly what The Passion is. And I found it glorified because of it's use of dramatic music. Using music of any kind trivializes and glorifies the scenes because it reminds us that it's nothing more then a movie. "
I think this movie isn't your taste of film. That's it. I'm sure you read, and if you read magazines from Time to, uh, almost anything when Passion was in theatres, there were countless amounts of stories of how the film really changed peoples' lives. You can't really argue with me there, because it is a fact that it profoundly moved a lot people. And come on now, don't fall into a cliché where if a movie is to be good or powerful, it has to adhere to a pre-set list of objectives, i.e. character development. That, to me, is common sense.
"Yep, and it's still antisemetic. Just because it was a "snap shot" into a possible occrance doesn't change anything. The bottom line - The film showed ALL jews on screen in a negative light. The other films you mentioned did not show ALL members of their ethnicity in a negative light. Schindlers list is Anti-Nazi, if you remember correctly, a german guy saved people in that movie. Menace 2 Society shows some good black people. In Jurassic Park a dinosour saves the people from another dinasour, ect. Even though these movies did show most of the member of the ethnicity in a bad light, not ALL of them, as the Passion did."
By the way, "In Jurassic Park a dinosour saves the people from another dinasour", is a hilarious comment. But even with a comment like that, there are people of the Jewish persuasion calling out in protest against the murder, and a Jewish man helps Christ carry the cross, and uh, Christ is a Jew, if I am not mistaken.
Also, with that comment, you can take it to a whole new level.
Philadelphia being anti-AIDS. South Park being anti-North Park. Silence of the Lambs being anti-Murderer. Elephant being Anti-School Shootings. Lord of the Ring being anti-Ring. The Exorcist being anti-Satan. Deer Hunter being Anti-Russian Roulette. Irreversible being Anti-Rape. Salo, or 120 Days of Sodom being anti-Fascist, Anarchistic, child-raping/molesting, murderous, excrement-eating people. Alien being anti-Alien etc. Don’t be so politically correct for the sake of being politically correct
Originally posted by BackFire
"The bottom line - The film showed ALL jews on screen in a negative light.
Then there is Jesus, Mary, Magdalene, Claudia, and those who were actually brave enough to break stride from Pilate and denounce his "punishment" that would have been carried out. It was up to the chief priest, the elders, and the council at the Sanhedrin. They are the ones that forced false accusations to have him crucified. His accusers were indeed Jews, but it was by no means the majority.
Pontius Pilate, the Jews, Satan, the religious leaders, all of us. We all had a hand in it.
Did everyone just pass over my last post? I feel like I am repeating myself.
Alright, let me clearify what I meant by "jew". I meant all of the practicing jews that were on screen, none of the people mentioned above were practicing jews, they had jewish heritage, but not the jewish belief. Perhaps I should have explained myself better. They may not have been the majority of the jews a as a whole, but they were all of the jews shown in the film.
"I think this movie isn't your taste of film. That's it. I'm sure you read, and if you read magazines from Time to, uh, almost anything when Passion was in theatres, there were countless amounts of stories of how the film really changed peoples' lives. You can't really argue with me there, because it is a fact that it profoundly moved a lot people. And come on now, don't fall into a cliché where if a movie is to be good or powerful, it has to adhere to a pre-set list of objectives, i.e. character development. That, to me, is common sense."
How did it change peoples lives? All I read was that people got more into Christianity. It converted a few people. Big deal, as I said, if someone is converted by a movie, then they are fools. Also, the vast majority of the people that were moved were already Christian, thus already believing what the film was saying. All of my friends (most of which do not believe in Christianity) were not affected, they felt the same as me, boredom.
Also, I have no problem with a film that goes against the hollywood formula, but I belive character development is absolutely crucial, since if you don't care about the characters on screen, you won't care about the story surrounding them and you won't get into it. Surely you can see where I'm coming from.
"By the way, "In Jurassic Park a dinosour saves the people from another dinasour", is a hilarious comment. But even with a comment like that, there are people of the Jewish persuasion calling out in protest against the murder, and a Jewish man helps Christ carry the cross, and uh, Christ is a Jew, if I am not mistaken.
Also, with that comment, you can take it to a whole new level.
Philadelphia being anti-AIDS. South Park being anti-North Park. Silence of the Lambs being anti-Murderer. Elephant being Anti-School Shootings. Lord of the Ring being anti-Ring. The Exorcist being anti-Satan. Deer Hunter being Anti-Russian Roulette. Irreversible being Anti-Rape. Salo, or 120 Days of Sodom being anti-Fascist, Anarchistic, child-raping/molesting, murderous, excrement-eating people. Alien being anti-Alien etc. Don’t be so politically correct for the sake of being politically correct"
I'm glad you enjoyed the Jurassic Park comment, thought there needed to some silliness in this discussion. Your anti-dinosour comment was equally as humerous.
Anyways, all those things you mentioned deserves to be shown in a negative light. Rape, facshism and school shootings all should be shown badly. Jews should not.
Anyways, I really didn't mean to get into the whole anti-semetic thing. The only reason I brought it up was because you said there were no valid points brought up in South Park, I used it as an example of something that I thought was valid. Nothing more. I really don't care about the anti-semitism in the film. It has nothing to do with me, I just used it as an example.
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Oh great everyone.....here we go again! The film is for Entertainment purposes people! Whether you've enjoyed the film or NOT is your taste....simple. Every damn movie made to this date that has actors and actresses is meant to entertain the audiences that pay a ticket to see the show!
Yes, we are aware that Passion has a strong theme for Christians. And we are NOT criticizing the faith! We are criticizing the film and the acting. That's it!
I was interested in purchasing the film NOT because of spiritual beliefs, but because I felt it was an entertaining movie. Yes, some parts were funny and other parts of the film were quite sad. That for me qualifies as entertaining!
I'm disappointed that the DVD didn't have any extra features. Therefore, I'm not going to buy the film. If Gibson decides to release a Collectors edition I might buy it. I don't care if Gibson does it to make money! That's what filmaking today is all about......making lots of MONEY!. That's Mel Gibson intention and is none of my business if he makes millions. As long as he delivers a great DVD features that's fine by me.
Again, Passion is for Entertainment purposes. Whether you like the film or not. The film was aim for a general audiences that pay money to see a movie..... NOT a documentary!