Clearly you guys know nothing of Tanaraq or even Marrina who took on the entire Avengers by herself [Thor, Captain Marvel, She Hulk, Namor, Black Knight, Dr.Druid]
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Originally posted by badabing
Really? WTF. Then the Hulk is almost unbeatable. I mean unless someone ko's the Hulk early, he can adapt to speed, magic, strength and anything else. Sometimes I can't stand comic writers. 😠
You're taking it a step further, when I said adapt, I should have used the word evolve... what I meant was that if The Hulk was in an atmoshere containing 0 PH (which means highly acidic) His body would adapt, making him immune to the effects.. as seen in "Hulk Future Imperfect".
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
You're taking it a step further, when I said adapt, I should have used the word evolve... what I meant was that if The Hulk was in an atmoshere containing 0 PH (which means highly acidic) His body would adapt, making him immune to the effects.. as seen in "Hulk Future Imperfect".
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
1) Well to be honest The Hulk has always had the ability to adapt to his surroundings, the writers at Marvel left this fact out for years... long ago they said that if Hulk stayed underwater long enough that he would develop gills.
2) Thor's antiforce blast does take time, and it wears him out, so in the meantime while he's charging up his hammer for the assault Hulk could technically jump on in, and beat the hell out of him. Let's face it Hulks biggest threat is Mjolnir not Thor.... if he was to lose contact with the hammer while fighting Hulk, he would and has been defeated.3) As far as the Exemplars are concerned Thor is not reffered to being weaker to them, when he fought against them with Hercules in The Avengers issue 25 the book says that " If they were up against one Exemplar, or two they would surely prevail. Even against three. or four... their centuries of experience might still win the day. But against all seven? Against all seven alas..." My point being that Thor is a match for any Exemplar alone, he's actually more powerful as it states in the book.
3) The Hulk is tough as hell in the recent FF issue 535, Hulk withstands the Torches nova blast as if he were taking a shower... I'm not saying that it's as powerful as the antiforce blast, but you can't sell the Hulk short when it comes to being durable. Thor can give better than he can take, and it's all due to his hammer.
Hulk can still outdo any of these guys when it comes to the upper level of his strength.
There is only one problem with your statement, the fact that Juggernaut is one of the exemplars. So if Thor is stronger than one individually, he is stronger than them all. The only problem with that is he cant defeat Juggernaut. Out of the 3 times they have fought Juggernaut has one 2, and only lost one because Thor tricked him into BFR.
Can I get the scans of that fight?
If Juggernaut did not have his mystical shield Thor would clean his clock... as a matter of fact it happened, Excaliber was in the book. Thor somehow used his hammer to block the source of Juggernauts irresitability, and he then proceeded to pound the living mess out of him... and before you say that it didn't count. I say it did. Why? Because it wasn't some Universe crossover story, it was an official loss for Juggernaut as far as Marvel is concerned. That's the only thing that saves him is his mystic shield, strength wise he's below Thor... if you want to bring up Trion Juggs, then I can bring up War Hulk. Why? Because neither of these guys under normal conditions are that strong. Hulk stopped the unstoppable Juggernaut when he was called War... Hulk has also exceeded the strength level of War, as far as the history of his strength feats are concerned. 1) Destroying a meteor twice the size of earth. 2) Bracing an entire mountain range (PIS or not it was still done. Honestly everything done in comics is pure insanity... In reality if you put a man in armor, and had him fly as fast as Iroman, the G's for one would kill him, and if he so much as lifted his head it would be knocked clean off by the wind resistance.) The Hulk can exceed Juggernaut in strength... if you don't believe this why don't you write a letter to Marvel, and ask them yourself.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
If Juggernaut did not have his mystical shield Thor would clean his clock... as a matter of fact it happened, Excaliber was in the book. Thor somehow used his hammer to block the source of Juggernauts irresitability, and he then proceeded to pound the living mess out of him... and before you say that it didn't count. I say it did. Why? Because it wasn't some Universe crossover story, it was an official loss for Juggernaut as far as Marvel is concerned. That's the only thing that saves him is his mystic shield, strength wise he's below Thor... if you want to bring up Trion Juggs, then I can bring up War Hulk. Why? Because neither of these guys under normal conditions are that strong. Hulk stopped the unstoppable Juggernaut when he was called War... Hulk has also exceeded the strength level of War, as far as the history of his strength feats are concerned. 1) Destroying a meteor twice the size of earth. 2) Bracing an entire mountain range (PIS or not it was still done. Honestly everything done in comics is pure insanity... In reality if you put a man in armor, and had him fly as fast as Iroman, the G's for one would kill him, and if he so much as lifted his head it would be knocked clean off by the wind resistance.) The Hulk can exceed Juggernaut in strength... if you don't believe this why don't you write a letter to Marvel, and ask them yourself.
And if Thor didn't have his shield Juggernaut would like you stated "clean his clock". How can you say if one character didn't have his powers that his opponent could defeat them?
Yes that fight counted, but it was PIS. If you skim through comics were Juggernaut has made appearances his invulnerability did not come from his shield, but from his body itself. This was the only comic that ever wrote Juggernaut having his shield being the source of his invulnerability. I know this because in fights and such writers always for got that Juggernaut had this shield that literally rendered him untouchable. For example, in the 8th day saga when Juggernaut nearly killed Thor in the process making him look like a child, Juggernaut didn't have his shield up. As we both saw though Thor's strikes with his hammer did Juggernaut no harm.
You also have a misconception about that fight. Even when written poorly Juggernaut was still able to stand to Thor, he nearly ko'd Thor without his shield. Thor knew he was going to lose this fight or die, and thats why he tricked Juggernaut into BFR.
How is Juggernaut below Thor in strength if he nearly killed him with a hug in the 8th day saga? If Thor was stronger he would have just moved his arms up, and swatted Juggernauts grip away. As we all know, he didn't, and his life was spared by the exemplars.
Now to address your views on Hulk. As it has been stated before, Hulk is not the only character with unlimited strength. Juggernaut and many other have also been described as having unlimited or immeasurable strength. Juggernaut increases his powers by focusing on the mystical energies that flow through his blood. I know this because the writers at marvel stated it.
You then stated that War Hulk is stronger than savage Hulk. Why do you keep telling the marvel writers there wrong? If War Hulk isn't stronger than Hulk they wouldn't have created him.
I said that the Hulk could exceed the strength level that he was at, when he fought, and stopped Juggernaut. Thor is stronger than the Juggernaut, but his body armor is weaker, this is why Juggernaut was able to put him in that vise like grip nearly killing him.... for example; if you tried to bend a nail with you hand you may not be able to, and even if you were able to you may suffer lacerations or bruises, because metal is more durable than skin, but if you put on glove made of plated metal (you know what that is right?) and tried to bend it, you would be able to do it far easier, and would not cut yourself at all. Juggernaut is just more durable than Thor, that is all, he in no way has ever been able to outlift him. I have never seen in the Marvel Universe Hanbook that it stated that Juggernaut had unlimited strength, I read that due to the enchantment of the Ruby that he cannot be stopped from moving forward... which was tested and is also an untruth... unless you believe that Juggernaut can walk through a 10 foot thick wall made of Vibranium mixed with Adamantium. Juggernaut has a max, he can't punch through grade A Adamantium or Vibranium, or Uru it won't break his knuckles but he would bounce off of it.
Well, brush Thor off in your own risk. Behold his power. Thor show he can match Hulk's the madder i become the stronger i be for 1 hour! A weaken Big G flee from Thor's Godblast. And Thor knocked out Hulk with a lightning.
http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?rpl=051001141421&q=Hercules
Why cant you understand the evidence before you? Instead of the nail thing use to people for an example. Say my little brother makes an attempt to put me in a vice grip. He could try all he wanted, but he couldn't because he's WEAKER. Now if I tried to put him in a vice grip, I could do it with ease because I'm STRONGER. If we were Neutral I would still be able to put him in a vice grip. BTW my brothers 2 years younger than I.
There was only one instance shown were his forward movement was stopped, and that was against a much stronger boosted up War Hulk. Even in this fight Juggernaut was written without his shield, for if he would have used it Hulk no matter what form would be able to touch him.
Originally posted by soujaboy09
Why cant you understand the evidence before you? Instead of the nail thing use to people for an example. Say my little brother makes an attempt to put me in a vice grip. He could try all he wanted, but he couldn't because he's WEAKER. Now if I tried to put him in a vice grip, I could do it with ease because I'm STRONGER. If we were Neutral I would still be able to put him in a vice grip. BTW my brothers 2 years younger than I.There was only one instance shown were his forward movement was stopped, and that was against a much stronger boosted up War Hulk. Even in this fight Juggernaut was written without his shield, for if he would have used it Hulk no matter what form would be able to touch him.
Originally posted by soujaboy09
Why cant you understand the evidence before you? Instead of the nail thing use to people for an example. Say my little brother makes an attempt to put me in a vice grip. He could try all he wanted, but he couldn't because he's WEAKER. Now if I tried to put him in a vice grip, I could do it with ease because I'm STRONGER. If we were Neutral I would still be able to put him in a vice grip. BTW my brothers 2 years younger than I.There was only one instance shown were his forward movement was stopped, and that was against a much stronger boosted up War Hulk. Even in this fight Juggernaut was written without his shield, for if he would have used it Hulk no matter what form would be able to touch him.
He had his shield up... I have the comic... look at it again and you will see that the moment they collide his shield is up.. another thing, why would his shield be down? If he was stopped don't you think that he would have used every tactic in his arsenal to win? Yes, the answer is yes he would have, and he did, but he was up against a superior POWER!!! and he was getting smacked the hell around, because he was the PUNY one RARRR HULK SMASH! 😆
Do I have to tell you again? Read this ok, and let it sink in.... The Hulk is capable of becoming even stronger than he was when he was known a War. War was breaking the Juggernaut's a** in and so would The regular none Apokolypse tweaked by Celestial implants Hulk. The only reason why Juggernaut is not in The Marvel Universe' Book of the Dead is because The Hulk was stopped from killing him by The Absorbing Man.
The Juggernaut has stronger body armor than Thor, and this is why he appears to be stronger than him, so yes if you or someone a little weaker than you put you in a bear hug, and they had on plate mail armor they would crush the sh*t out of you, but not because of strength alone. but because they have on something that is denser than your flesh.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
He had his shield up... I have the comic... look at it again and you will see that the moment they collide his shield is up.. another thing, why would his shield be down? If he was stopped don't you think that he would have used every tactic in his arsenal to win? Yes, the answer is yes he would have, and he did, but he was up against a superior POWER!!! and he was getting smacked the hell around, because he was the PUNY one RARRR HULK SMASH! 😆Do I have to tell you again? Read this ok, and let it sink in.... The Hulk is capable of becoming even stronger than he was when he was known a War. War was breaking the Juggernaut's a** in and so would The regular none Apokolypse tweaked by Celestial implants Hulk. The only reason why Juggernaut is not in The Marvel Universe' Book of the Dead is because The Hulk was stopped from killing him by The Absorbing Man.
The Juggernaut has stronger body armor than Thor, and this is why he appears to be stronger than him, so yes if you or someone a little weaker than you put you in a bear hug, and they had on plate mail armor they would crush the sh*t out of you, but not because of strength alone. but because they have on something that is denser than your flesh.
I think before you judge Juggernaut. you should read some of the comics he appears in. Just go find out what Juggernauts powers are.
If you read any comics that Juggernaut appears in you would know the reason Juggernaut never uses all his powers. The answer is because he doesn't care. He feels nothing can hurt him so he doesn't really try.
Well as of now, you can no longer depend on the industructible Juggernaut because he has been de-powered. I have read Juggernauts appearances in many books, and I know exactly what his powers were and are now. Before anyone says a thing about how the Hulk can't beat the tar out of Cain let's wait and see in the future what happens, ok. I had no idea how much you loved the Juggernaut, I've never seen anyone go on about one character this way, you have completely discreditted his being beaten by the Hulk. Last time I checked the writers had more knowledge than the fans. Perhaps you are in denial. Honestly my friend, if you think that the Juggernaut beat the Hulk in that fight, and wasn't really trying then that's on you. It looked like he was trying from where I stood.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Well as of now, you can no longer depend on the industructible Juggernaut because he has been de-powered. I have read Juggernauts appearances in many books, and I know exactly what his powers were and are now. Before anyone says a thing about how the Hulk can't beat the tar out of Cain let's wait and see in the future what happens, ok. I had no idea how much you loved the Juggernaut, I've never seen anyone go on about one character this way, you have completely discreditted his being beaten by the Hulk. Last time I checked the writers had more knowledge than the fans. Perhaps you are in denial. Honestly my friend, if you think that the Juggernaut beat the Hulk in that fight, and wasn't really trying then that's on you. It looked like he was trying from where I stood.
