Originally posted by finti
if you get on your knees folding your hands, or go to confession YOU BEG
Merely Christian tradition to Genuflect, Pray on your knees, etc. etc. etc.
I have said many times that the Christian/Catholic/all the other offshoots of said faith are far too archaic and need updating, like, five years ago.
Showing respects is not necessarily a bad thing, but you do not need an intermediary to speek to God. There are far too many flaws in Holy Mothers church to show respect to it. Showing respects to God, Jesus, and the other Catholic idols is one thing, respecting the institution that are supposed to be foundations of it is a complete and total other.
It isn't begging. You ask for forgiveness knowing full well that the Son of God, creator of the universe/s and most powerful being in all existence, was crucified so that you might have freedom. That's pretty inspiringnever believed in any god, to me god is of non importance just as it is with this sacrificial crusifixtion. So I dont need to ask, pray, beg or submit to any kind of divine being
Its different for everyone, of course if you don't believe it would seem wrong to bow down before a God you don't believe in, but I would say it isn't begging. In Japan it is a sign of respect for a younger person to bow far deeper before an elder, the traditional marriage proposal is delivered on bent knee, a knight was knighted bowed before the monarch, none of this is begging, it is saying "I recognize and respect you, and as such put myself at your mercy", begging must be accompanied by, I feel, emotions such as fear and the like, it can't be begging if all you feel is hope and happiness and respect.
Re: Is the Bible hate speech, does it preach genocide?
Originally posted by Turbo-Cajun
The Christian God is a God that teaches genocide.I have a native professor at university that is finishing up on a book with a similar title. He examines the bible and shows all of the verse which advocate actions that conflict with what the commonly held definiton of genocide is. I am not sure exactly which verses he is choosing to use but I found a site with a ton of quotes from the Bible that are promoting hate. I know what kind of thread this is going to end up being like, but I'm hoping that there is going to be some level discussion going at some point. I just want to show some of the quotes and see what you guys think. Is it promoting hate or genocide? How does verses like this conflict with the image that Christians have of themselves?
This is the site:
What do you guys think? Is the Bible is hate literature?
My first observation. The guy that runs that website sure has a LOT of things to say. Not only does he criticize the war in Iraq, but also questions the pictures taken by Osama Bin Laden. Now, whoever is running that awitness.org sure cares more about being controversial than to be reasonable. Why I'm I saying this? Simple, is quite obvious he is taking verses from the bible and turning them into a genocide argument.
I got news for that guy! The Taliban uses verses from the Koran and twisted them to support their own war. He is doing something similar! He is taking verses from the Bible and twisted them to use them as anti-religious arguments. Also I'm sure that if that guy (not your teacher TC) writes a book he is going to get some good amount of money...why? simple....controversy sells! As for the content of the verses...I'd much rather consult with a Theologian or a Scholar (that's right ppl that study the Bible in a academic method) than to just read some mumble jumble from the internet.
Re: Re: Is the Bible hate speech, does it preach genocide?
Originally posted by WindDancer
Simple, is quite obvious he is taking verses from the bible and turning them into a genocide argument. I got news for that guy! The Taliban uses verses from the Koran and twisted them to support their own war. He is doing something similar! He is taking verses from the Bible and twisted them to use them as anti-religious arguments.
It is easy to twist any document to show and more or less encourage your actions if you wish.
Look at the song Helter Skelter and the events that arose from it.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Well... I mean yes, the Bible, especially the Old Testament, is chock-a-block full of very unpleasant stuff, that's very simple to see.I don't think it does to get bogged down in that, though. All that should do is remind you to run a mile when you meet someone who takes a Holy Book literally.
I know next to nothing about the Bible, but if Ush is correct, if Bible is full of unpleasent stuff especially in the old testament, than isnt it Judeism as well as Christinaity thats preaching genocide?
The Bible is not a book that can be taken literally... especailly the Old Testament. The Bible asks one thing of the reader....
"Take a LEAP OF FAITH!"
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I know next to nothing about the Bible, but if Ush is correct, if Bible is full of unpleasent stuff especially in the old testament, than isnt it Judeism as well as Christinaity thats preaching genocide?
Very true. 😄 😖mart: <-- Milla
Really, you can't take it litterally or seriously. If you take it litterally, then you'd be saying that the devil is real and he can influence your actions and thoughts, put evil ideas in your head and possess you. That he can affect the world and do horrible things and or influence men to do such horrible things. If people really took the bible litterally, any criminal could make a plea before a judge in court of "the devil made me do it".
Now in court, this would never fly. But still.. in court you are made to swear an oath before god to tell the truth. I don't see why part of a religion can be taken seriously.. and another not. Some parts ignored and yet still printed in their holy book and we're told not to pay attention to those parts.. even though they are said to be god's own words and laws (talking about the Old Testament of course).
If you speak and pray to god, then you're a good person, but if god speaks back.. you're crazy? What about all those people he spoke to in the book.. were they all crazy too? If so, shouldn't everyone just ignore the book as it would have to of been written by crazy people who thought god spoke to them.. but as we all know anyone who claims these days to of spoken with god is a nutcase.
Where's the sense in any of this?
You make an excellent point. To attempt to answer/form a rebuttle... I offer this.
Yes, there are some aspects of the "Good Book" that carry out into everyday lives. I have said this many of times, and will say it once more.
The Bible is a code of conduct by which a good, honest person should carry out their lives. If you gather anything from the Bible, you will learn that it can be summarizes into one line.
"Do onto others as you would have them do unto you."
That is it.
Also, I said this once more in this thread... "The Catholic/Christian/all other offshoots of said faith are archiac and need updating."