Is the Bible hate speech, does it preach genocide?

Started by shaber9 pages

The indigenous american fiasco was a kill or be killed situation the colonists got themselves into 😬 People in continental Europe had constantly warred amongst themselves when everyone was Christian. If the scriptures were used as an excuse, it was just that, an excuse.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
I take it you can't find anything in the NT?[QUOTE]

Obviously, Jesus never preached genocide. But the people who claim that Jesus somehow replaced the old law are presumably missing the passage where he says that he has not come to destroy the old law, and that anybody who disobeys even the least of them will be least in the Kingdom of Heaven.

You can't blame western atrocities on Christianity; horrible expansionist disasters would have happened reguardless of whether the English and so on worshipped Jesus, Mithras or Astarte.
The message of love, grace and strength preached by the NT was twisted into a tool of oppression; justification for terrible deeds. And yet it still has the power to transform, in a good way, the lives of millions...

You can't blame western atrocities on Christianity; horrible expansionist disasters would have happened reguardless of whether the English and so on worshipped Jesus, Mithras or Astarte
but now the truth is they happen to be christians, and they forced their religion upon multiple cultures which led to the destruction of many of those.

True, but then it was misguided people who made religion a tool, opposed to what God might have intended (if one believes), and just as often purely earthan motivations and desires have destroyed culture and life. Some times religion is used to mask that, but just as often it doesn't.

Thessalonians

1:7
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
1:8
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Looks like the good Jesus is gonna mass-murderer anyone who "know not God".
And since ee are predestined by God to go to either heaven or hell, none of our thoughts, words, or actions can affect the final outcome. (Ephesians).
So god and your Jesus has alreday condemned some of us to Hell. Great, eh?

Btw: Are crippled people sinners?

That whole predestination thing is slightly wobbly, a lot of people take it to mean that either a) it's beyond our ability to understand, or that b) the non-predistened are those who would never accept God in the first place, so the cause and effect of it all is slightly weird.
And sorry, could you explain the cripple statement a bit more please...

the christians cant squirm away the fact that the head of the churches aimed for more land and to forcefully spreading the gospel. that they try to run away from the responsibility today say more of the mind of christians than anything else

I think you're making the mistake of judging history with artificial contemporary standards. As Finti said somewhere, it is an animals instinct to kill in order to survive. Genocide as a crime and all the double standards and recriminations thereof is relatively recent.

Re: Is the Bible hate speech, does it preach genocide?

Originally posted by Turbo-Cajun
The Christian God is a God that teaches genocide.

What do you guys think? Is the Bible is hate literature?

The Bible is many things, but if you focus on the negative all the time, everything can be seen in such darkness.

The Bible, in my opinion, is often misconstrude and twisted. I choose to look at the Old Testiment as the Lords frustration with Human Kind. And the New Testiment as Gods way of showing that he will be more compationate. God gave us free-will, and was mistempered with the was we misused it.

However, he gave us the Son to take away our sins. Jesus, in turn, is our scapegoat.

if he took away the sin by giving his son, why do people still have to beg for forgivness

There is no begging. There is asking. However, there is a penence that must be paid.

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. For every wrong-doing, a consequence.

I agree to a point, really, genocide is a human concept, and it is people who carried it out for most likely human purposes. The world was indeed different thousands of years ago, and while genocide is to us terrible, to people of those times it was probably seen as a neccestiy. Is it right? No. Of course this brings in God, does he advocate it? It might indeed seem like that, but it has to be, perhaps, put in context.

Man has free will to kill off whomsoever we want. It is so easy to pick up a gun and start firing.

There is no begging. There is asking
same difference

No it is not.

Who drafts most (at least) of the stuff that is perportedly divine? Humans do. Most religions and all political creeds are quite brutal really because that is bestial nature.

if you get on your knees folding your hands, or go to confession YOU BEG

Mankind is guilty of driving the Neanserthal Man to extinction.

Not always, it can be a sign of respect, of acknowledging your better, or contemplation, and a sign of innocence, the removal of pride. Yes, it technically puts you at the mercy of those standing over you, but you choose to lower yourself to such a posistion out of respect.