Probably, but people need to remember that he purpose of a military is for defense or offense during a war. If you join the military under the impression "I don't want to fight in a war, I'm just doing this for easy money and good benefits" then they shouldn't be joining the military.
People should be prepared to go to war when they decide to join the military. If they aren't prepared to go to war when they join the military then that's their own problem, and they should have given it more thought.
Originally posted by BackFire
There is always an alternative.
This is from a guy thats in US forces -
As I often seem to, I feel like i went a little overboard there. But for ****'s sakes. Most of us military folks are just people doing a job. The people I know, the people I meet and talk to every day, they are all in the same fix I am. None of us wants this war. None of us want to be playing thewse ****ing ridiculous bigger dick foreign policy games. None of us has a choice, either.
If we did what you were saying Damian, and all dropped our guns, turned our ships around and marched back home, how far do you think we'd get? Before our brand new "allies" and our newly well established enemies cut us all down. How far do you think we'd get before every right wing nutcase in our chain of command took this "mass desertion" as an excuse to exercise full control. Thats a far more likely scenario than you probably imagine.
Point being..I understand your frustration, I feel it too. I understand your anger. I feel it too. I understand your indignation, and could bury you with mine if you want to compare notes.
Dont take this the wrong way, but you gotta grow the **** up and look a little more closely before you open your mouth. We are all just people. Just like you. Most of us joined the military because we were out of options, not because we wanted to go nipplesurfing on sand dunes and get shelled in a ****ing desert for fun and profit.
Instead of just bitching, offer up a solution. A living breathing idea of how to make it better, and how we can all work to achieve it.
Otherwise, shut the **** up.
Enough bitching.
DO SOMETHING.
Sorry, but you don't just "run out of options" in this country, there is always an option available.
Anyone who uses the card "I was out of options so I joined the military" is lying to themselves and everyone else. There is always another option available. Go get a minimum wage job if you must, go pick alluminum cans out of dumpsters for money, become a bum. There is always options available for people.
This guy, and people like him, just went into the military because they thought it would be the "best" option and they don't consider the other alternatives actual "options". They join the military because they thought it would give them good oportunities and good money compared to the other options he neglected to recognize.
There are always, ALWAYS options. He CHOSE to join the military, no one forced him to, and it's too bad he didn't give it more thought.
Can you imagine if someone did knock on the door of the oval office and woke GWB up to present him with the fact that he was going on live TV that evening to fight to the death in a sandpit with Sadam.
I bet he'd be all "woah - wait up - when I started this war i didn't expect i'd have to fight!"
If GWB can start a ****ing a war without expecting to get hurt - I think we can allow people to join the army in peacetime and expect to come out alive?
Originally posted by BackFire
Sorry, but you don't just "run out of options" in this country, there is always an option available.
I'm not disagreeing with you on this - (I'm a firm believer that war is caused by people joining the army) I just think it's wrong to assume that everyone who does so is a "believer".
As the president, it is NOT his job to have to fight during the war. It is his job to lead and to pay for proper equipment for the soldiers who are fighting, and to decide what is in the best interest for them. We all know presidents aren't going to fight in a war, come now. Whether this is fair or not is beside the point. No one expects the president to fight during a war.
Military personel ARE expected to fight during a war should one arise. This is a well known fact and should be recognized by everyone who conciously chooses to join the military, whether it be in peace or war time. When you join the military, you join for 2 years I believe. Now, a lot can happen in that two years, just because you join when their is peace doesn't mean peace will continue to be there during the full duration.
You should never join the military and "expect" not to go to war. You should always recognize it as a possibility, and if it's not a possibility you are prepared for, you should not join the military.
Originally posted by Mr Zero
Can you imagine if someone did knock on the door of the oval office and woke GWB up to present him with the fact that he was going on live TV that evening to fight to the death in a sandpit with Sadam.I bet he'd be all "woah - wait up - when I started this war i didn't expect i'd have to [B]fight!"
If GWB can start a ****ing a war without expecting to get hurt - I think we can allow people to join the army in peacetime and expect to come out alive? [/B]
whatever happend to the times of the crusades, where their king fights? that leadership i can DEFINITELY respect... but a coke-sniffing, c student in charge of the free world... i'm a wee bit concerned.
Originally posted by Mr Zero
Can you imagine if someone did knock on the door of the oval office and woke GWB up to present him with the fact that he was going on live TV that evening to fight to the death in a sandpit with Sadam.I bet he'd be all "woah - wait up - when I started this war i didn't expect i'd have to [B]fight!"
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😂 hah! Thanks for bringing this back on topic, it was ment to be on a light side.
Saddam would be way more ready than Bush! He never even did his service in Vietnam.
Originally posted by Mr Zero
I'm not disagreeing with you on this - (I'm a firm believer that war is caused by people joining the army) I just think it's wrong to assume that everyone who does so is a "believer".
Okay, you're right on that. I meant people who knowingly joined the military after the war started.
People who were in the military before the war just got a bum deal. But it's something they should see as a possibility when they join the army. If they don't, then it's their own fault.