maul would totally own vader.
dont worry i have reasons. and i believe that maul is stronger in the force. first: he has mastered the double bladed lightsaber which requires huge amount of concentration to control. second: he fought against two jedi knights (i say 2 knights because obi wan becomes a knight right afterwords so lets just call him a knight), killed one of them and the only reason he didnt kill kenobi was because he got cocky, he thought he had kenobi rapped around his finger. that is a flaw in the darkside that u see in all sith but palpatine(and i am sure if i looked hard i could find some cockyness). so that makes him strong in the force. third. people say that when he throws that object in phantom menace, that that is the extent of his power. WRONG! if u read the book on maul, u see that he has all the force powers of any other sith(except for lightning and choke, but i am sure he can do lightning, and choke is just force grab in a certain place). he is a cruel, stealthy, efficiant hunter. also he is totaly devoted to his master so he will fight to the dealth to complete his orders. vader however, is nowhere near as nimble, he may be a good swordsman, but he is still hindered by his suit. and if u bring up the fact that he fought luke in ESB, well yes, but in ROTJ luke (who has had ony partial training, and none, that we have seen, has been lightsaber oriented(except for on the falcon in ANH, but that was more an exersize in how to use the force) totally owns vader, and it is there we see how clumsy that suit makes him. there is actually a comic with a fight between vader and maul, i actually found this board when i was looking for it, i found out about it in this months starwars magazine. and in that comic vader wins. BUT, onlybecause maul got cocky. maul has laid the smack down on vader. vader is on his knees, and as maul is about to deal the killer blow, vader ignites his lightsaber, impaling himself(the machine part) but more mportantly scewering maul as well(again maul was being cocky and feeling in control when really he was not) so i guess in saying that i have weakened my own argument. but i think it brings up a good point: vader would not win because of his force, or his lightsaber skill. he would win because maul gets cocky. oh, and dnt lay that "the chosen one" crud on me.
Maul is simply not stronger in the force then vader all his accomplishments have been minor, Anakin was potentially the best ever even at half power he had much more raw power, if we're including force powers vader would win in a straight up lightsaber duel I'm leaning towards maul however,
-speed doesn't necessarily guarantee victory, anakin was faster then obi but lost, he was faster then dooku and got his arm chopped off, obi was faster then dooku but wasn't nearly as good, many times faster people have lost because of stupidity or a lack of experience, vader owns maul in both respects (smarter, more experienced).
Originally posted by ESB-1138
I don't think he wanted Dooku cause he would been nearly 100 and too old to continue the Empire and at that point they thought the Jedi were no more so who cares.
Exactly. Dooku knew this so he basically wanted Anakin to arrest him over to the Council to be judged but Palpatine had other plans.