Originally posted by Anakin2Vader
You know what Ive been thinking maybe lucasfilm is right... Im not even sure about anything we've seen... even though we have seen Hayden and Ewan dueling together Im still not convinced we will see a Anakin vs. Obi Wan duel... I think he is just faking us out to draw our attention from the real epic duel... any thoughts on what the real Duel will be...???
if that were the case then they wasted a whole lot of hours in the Anakin costume filming. 😖
Originally posted by Anakin2Vader
You know what Ive been thinking maybe lucasfilm is right... Im not even sure about anything we've seen... even though we have seen Hayden and Ewan dueling together Im still not convinced we will see a Anakin vs. Obi Wan duel... I think he is just faking us out to draw our attention from the real epic duel... any thoughts on what the real Duel will be...???
you are joking i take it?
In response to this whole colour thing; similar blades passing through each other... that really doesn't work... Grevious fights Jedi using Jedi coloured sabers (blue and green)... so that kinda screws up that theory, dunnit 😛
I wish GG ends up with Mace's purple saber... so g-roovy
"I'm hip, I'm cool" - GG
LOL
Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
and this IMHO is THE dumbest thing that will be in ROTS. Why did Lucas feel the need to add another villan? Im SO not looking forward to Grevious.😖
i actually agree with JP on this, it would be different if perhaps grevious had been mentioned in the OT at some point but i think there is more than enough story that needs to be crammed into ROTS that introducing a brand new villian only for him to be killed off is rather needless.
However, personally lucas hasnt let me down so far so i have every faith in him
I just think there was an awful lot of WASTAGE in terms of the story and character.
They could have just scrapped Episode 1, and started the saga from Episode 2's timeline (which is how I personally pictured it before they were made, and still prefer it).
If they made better use of the time they could have easily used Jango Fett, General Grievous, Kit Fisto, Darth Maul and Mace Windu and any other new characters to full effect. They could have also had bigger appearances from Boba Fett, Darth Vader and Chewbacca, heck even C3PO, but as it stands it seems as though they've simply "ran out of time" to show the fans their past much more vividly.
To think all that time was wasted explaining midicholorains and watching Jar Jar Binks fall over is even more aggravating.
They shot themsleves in the foot by creating all these potentially brilliant characters like Grievous, and then simply not having any time to show them.
Also, having Anakin become Vader sooner in the saga would at least keep the timeline consistent. The OT would progress in two or three year gaps, whereas this new PT has secrwed it all up with 10 and 20 year leaps between the episodes. Stupid. Having Episode 2's events in Episode 1 would at least solve the time wastage.
that's exactly how I pictured it as well. Here's my timeline spliced with what I thought was handled well in the PT.
I figured EpI would establish Obi-wan and Anakin's (in his late teens or early 20's) relationship, show how heroic and good they both were, and start the clone wars by the end of it. During the film, he could meet and fall in love with Padme. They kind of bond. Maybe even get married in the end. They could have pretty much handled that the way they did in AOTC. Make him her body guard so they're kinda stuck together. Palpatine could get himself elected chancellor in pretty much the same fashion as EpI, because Vallorum fails to act against the Separitists, who blockade or attack Naboo. Then bust out the clones.
II would be Anakin, due to whatever was going on in the war, all the fighting or whatever, starting to get evil. He'd marry Padme (if he didn't by the end of 1). They'd show the jedi acting as generals. See the toll the war is taking on the Jedi, the sorrow they feel at losing so many Jedi for a cause they aren't even sure is right. Have the rift between Anakin and Obi-wan grow, Anakin belileves in the war, he sides with Palpatine. It gets relatively overlooked because many jedi are split on this issue. Towards the end, we would have Anakin summoned to Palpatine's office. He would explain the Sith to him. Convince an almost already willing Anakin to join him. Anakin would turn, and be sent on some mission like in ROTS. Almost at the end, Anakin would fight Obi-wan. Anakin would reveal Palpatine's identity, confident he will win, so it won't matter if he rubs it in Obi-wan's face a bit. Obi-wan would manage to win, though it would be close. Obi-wan would leave him for dead, take his lightsaber. The Jedi would mourn the loss of Anakin, both physically and spiritually. Maybe even add his bust to the lost 20. Maybe then have Obi-wan convince them not to. Show that he is still Anakin's friend. He understands Palpatine has no doubt been polluting him all these years.
Then three, like ROTS, Palpatine becomes Emperor. Destroys the Jedi in pretty much the same fashion as ROTS. Some Jedi go to confront him, suddenly there's this Darth Vader on the scene. Vader hands a bunch of council members an @$$ whooping, really show how powerful he is. Palpatine expoits it, turns the puplic against the Jedi, claiming they have joined the Speparitists, and tried to assasinate him, had it not been for his aid, Darth Vader. Vader then goes to destroy the temple with a bunch of clones, maybe comes in contact with Obi-wan, who Vader would taunt, because it would totally be in his character to want to sort of get the last word by still being "alive". Obi-wan would try to redeem him and it would fail. Obi-wan and Yoda flee with Padme who's pregnant, time it so the twins would have been concieved before The Fight, and a few senators who want to stop Palpatine (Mon Mothma, Bail, and whoever else they want to throw in there. Then the Empire would be shown hunting down the Jedi. Vader would be shown hunting them down, killing them one by one, trying to find Obi-wan most of all. Intercut would be scenes of the twins being born, plans for the future developed, Yoda would go to Dagobah, Obi-wan takes Luke to Tatooine. Bail, Padme, and the other Senators go to Alderaan. Padme lives apart from Bail, and gives him Leia. This way she can watch over her as a family friend. But she wouldn't be directly her mother. This would explain why Leia, {who maybe could find out who her mom is in a book before ANH, show Padme just sort of waste away and die in the same book} describes her as kind, yet sad. That would be my timeline.
I think he handled a lot of the overall plot pacing fine in AOTC, and ROTS looks to be well done as well. But they both seemed crammed with info where as TPM took time for a race, had a failed attempt by Palpatine/Sidious to start a war (oooo, failed attempt, we needed to see that to understand the other films) and the only overall meat in the story was finding ani, palpatine becoming chancellor, and the sith being revealed. Other than that, it had a lot of wasted time.
Glad to see that someone agrees.
I understand that Episode 1 was about showing Anakain as a pure spirit - but did we need a whole movie to show this?
I still have a slight grudge over the fact Obi-Wan didn't really "take it upon himself" to train Anakin because he was amazed how strong the force was with him, it was the wish of his master, otherwise Obi-Wan would have left Anakin well alone. Also, Obi-Wan was the perfect pupil - I always imagined a young Obi-Wan to be a bit like Luke and Anakin - since when was Obi-Wan ever "reckless" like he claimed in the OT.
That bothers me, because the events in Episode 1, all the important events, could have been done via a flashback or in a conversation.
Remember in the OT when the characters would tell us things that have happened off-screen or in between episodes ("that bounty hunter we ran into on Ord Mantell changed my mind" and "many Bovins -sp?- died to bring us this information"😉 - well they could have just explained Anakins past like that. We didn't need to see it to know it happened.
Also, it would have made more sense for Anakin to be CLOSE to his mother through his life - THEN lose her, maybe due to a fault of the Jedi in which he blames them. It would at least mirror Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen's guardianship over Luke, and would tell us Anakin lived a very similar life. Anakin could have had his mother close by (like how Padmes family lived on Naboo close to her) and THEN lose her. I never understood why he felt so angry over losing his mother, despite the fact he hadnt seen her in God knows how long. Surely it would have MORE of an impact for him to lose her when she has been there ALL of his life.
There were better ways of doing the PT, easily. Any reason you can come up with in defense of having Episode 1 set when Anakin is seven-eight-whatever, you can probably think of a better alternative. Episode 1s events were pointless, like meph said, there was a fake war, and the whole story was built around having a happy ending just for the sake of mirroring A New Hope. News flash Lucas, in case you forgot, ANH had a happy ending because you didn't know if there'd be any more, there was no need to do that with TPM.
Originally posted by cal31
The only thing is we do get to see the action in the Clone Wars and General Grevious more in The Clone Wars cartoon, now you can say it's a cartoon and is totally different, but it is still part of the Star Wars Saga, and is equal to the movies.
Actually, The Clone Wars cartoon is vastly superior to the prequel movies in every respect.
Now THEY know how to make use of their time.
Each is five minutes long, with the whole thing put together it's like a movie - which has a better story, better characterisation and does it's best with what the prequels gave them as inspiration. The way in which Anakin is portrayed does the character justice more than the movies.
All the individual Jedi get some brilliant screen time - the one where Mace Windu loses his lightsaber and has to fight a battalion of droids using JUST the force is ten times more impressive than any of the anti-climaxing duels from AOTC.
The Clone Wars is remarkable, the artwork is stunning, and the amount of content they squeeze into five minutes each is great.
In my opinion, I'd rather watch the Clone Wars cartoon than the prequels. They actually look they were made by someone who knows what they are doing.
And the music when General Grievous is around is amazing - when he started spinning his lightsabers around like a whirlwind I was like "wow".
I wonder if we've already seen the most impressive GG stuff?
Originally posted by Red Superfly
Actually, The Clone Wars cartoon is vastly superior to the prequel movies in every respect.All the individual Jedi get some brilliant screen time - the one where Mace Windu loses his lightsaber and has to fight a battalion of droids using JUST the force is ten times more impressive than any of the anti-climaxing duels from AOTC.
The Clone Wars is remarkable, the artwork is stunning, and the amount of content they squeeze into five minutes each is great.
In my opinion, I'd rather watch the Clone Wars cartoon than the prequels. They actually look they were made by someone who knows what they are doing.
And the music when General Grievous is around is amazing - when he started spinning his lightsabers around like a whirlwind I was like "wow".
CLone Wars superior to the Prequels....LOL
I did like Maces use of the force in that episode but I thought the shit he did was more reminicant of Superman then a Jedi we have seen... and it dosnt come close to even the horrible duels of Ep 2
The Clone Wars artwork is terrible... it amazes me the crapiness of their charachters and such... should have had anyone but Gendy do it
when Greivous started spinning his lightsabers around I thouhgt it was the corniest thing ever and hope to god he wont be doing anything like that in ROTS
Originally posted by Anakin2Vader
CLone Wars superior to the Prequels....LOLI did like Maces use of the force in that episode but I thought the shit he did was more reminicant of Superman then a Jedi we have seen... and it dosnt come close to even the horrible duels of Ep 2
The Clone Wars artwork is terrible... it amazes me the crapiness of their charachters and such... should have had anyone but Gendy do it
when Greivous started spinning his lightsabers around I thouhgt it was the corniest thing ever and hope to god he wont be doing anything like that in ROTS
Well to each his own.
But I actually like the stylistic approach to the cartoon. You know, STYLE. Man, everyone wants everything to look the same these days. A bit of artistic freedom doesn't hurt.
I suggest you try drawing and animating anything as good as that quality if it's so inferior to you. If it's so crap, it must be easy right?
Originally posted by cal31
, now you can say it's a cartoon and is totally different, but it is still part of the Star Wars Saga, and is equal to the movies.
Im sorry but the cartoons are in no way shape or form anywhere near equal to the movies. And Grevious is a creation for the fanboys in my opinion. I agree A2V too cheesy. 😖