Originally posted by wolverine8888
so tell me how does spiderman beat him and hwo did hulk if he cant be hurt hmmmmm oh ya when juggy pound the shit out of him and he dident get back up that dident hurt him right wrong oh and also in the dream fights between wolverien and venom wolverine one and the other never was vinished
wolverine8888 you need to relax. when has wolverine and colossus fought first of all. i know you said in one of your earlier posts that wolverine won. but i need an issue number on that one. cause i'd like to see for myself. also, you are confusing the symbiote with eddie brock. when they fought juggernaut, juggernaut pummled eddie inside the suit. juggernaut could never kill the symbiote by itself. he could splatter it all over the place, but could do no actual physical damage to it.
now the way i see the fight going down is Wolverine vs. venom, colossus vs. rhino and shocker vs. nightcrawler.
i'm thinking that with colossus on thier team, they would eventually overwhelm the other 3 and take the victory. but it would be close.
yes but in the dream wolverien vs venom which was a dream liek all there fights ecpt for venom in the run wolverine stabbed eddie brock through the stomack almost killing him. but mind u it was a dream. also colossus isent that good I wish I had the issue were wolverine and colossus fight but it like 200 bucks I pay 5 just to read the dam thing. also colossus couldent beat the thing.... wolverine almost killed the thing but stopped just in time
Colossus and Wolverine fought in Annual # 5 I think. Wolverine was being controlled by Dracula. Dracula knew he couldnt beat Colossus so he did some mind deal on Wolverine. But back to the fight There really wasnt a clear winner. Wolverines claws didnt even hurt Colossus. If I remember right the result was just a bunch of sparks flying. No clear winner.
Originally posted by Starscream M
team 1 in a stompColossus will make short work of Rhino
Nightcrawler will take out Shocker very quickly
and Logan stalemates Venom until Colossus and NC come finish him off
And I can't really see NC taking out Shocker with any degree of ease either with CIS in play. If Shocker's vibro-field(or whatever it is) buffer's Spidey's punches I can't really see Nightcrawler taking him down all that quickly, and I'm not sure how he'd stand up to Shocker's blast when/if one finally connected.
I'm leaning towards Team 1 myself at this point, but I could also see Team 2 pulling their share of wins(and possibly even a split) because of the superior ranged options of Shocker and Venom.
Originally posted by Starscream M
with CIS in play, Rhino and Shocker are 2 of the biggest jobbers in all of comicdom...they're just too incompetent to be any threat to well-trained fighters like the X-Men
Now this fight is different than most fights you'll see in a comic because the people involved begin the fight .5 kilometer's away from each other and in plane view of the other team. That fact is often overlooked on the forum but it can be a major factor when one side has range and the other doesn't. Nightcrawler can cross that distance in no time flat and Wolverine can cross it pretty quick, but Colossus can't move anywhere near as fast as they can. Nightcrawler can teleport him, sure. But that's not a tactic the X-Men typically employ under these conditions, it's something they'd do with large distances involved.
Now you say that Nightcrawler jumps on Shocker right? Well if he does that he leaves his next fastest teammate in at least a few seconds behind and puts him right in the middle of the enemy camp which happens to contan a character on par with him speedwise(Venom) so what if instead of charging forward blindly, Venom jumps on Nightcrawler while NC is busy trying to punch his way through Shocker's vibro-field? Nightcrawler's busy so Venom should have no problem getting his hands on him, and once that happens Nightcrawler's pretty much history.
Team fights aren't nearly as cut and dry as individual matchup's because of little factors like that. I have no problem giving team one the win, but cherry picking match ups and saying it would be "easy" without ever examine the characters individual abilities or conditions of the fight itself in no way qualifies as impartial debating.
If Nightcrawler has a flash of insight that causes him to grab both of his teammates simultaneously and teleport on top of the other team then sure, I could see Team one taking it pretty easily. But "in character" and with CIS in play it seems far more likely that either he'll close the gap on foot with his team, or he'll provide the "lead off" attack with his team seconds behind him. And in either of those scenereo's, Team 2 could definately give them a fight.