Originally posted by YFZ 350
I would say Blade is faster & more skilled.
And you would be wrong on both counts.
Originally posted by Trackz
I'm still not arguing about who would win, just inquiring about speed feats.
Again this is why it matters that Sabretooth is faster than Wolverine stated and proven.
Blade can't say the same thing, every feat Blade has in speed Wolverine can match or outstrip.
That Sabretooth is legitimately faster than Wolverine IS VERY relevant if you want to have a discussion about his speed.
If you're looking for stupid feats of slicing and dicing or knocking bullets out of the air you won't find them en mass, His feats are typically displayed against other opponents where it's typically referenced.
Being faster than Morbius isn't even remotely impressive, he's a character with not even a quarter of the appearances Sabretooth has and Creed doesn't have that many to begin with. 😬
Aside from that, Blade being "faster than morbius" isn't really legit. They typically fight on the same level, with Blade securing an upperhand at the end.... If Blade was faster than Daredevil, Iron Fist, or hell, Wolverine... Then you would have an argument.
i wonder who it is? i know it was probably some one who has bn ban as a permanent member. damn curiosity...damn it all to hell!!!
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anyways....... Omega Red's armor was pretty spiffy but i dont believe it was made of adamantium itself.. maybe the shoulder pads not sure the spandext part was but it was good enough to stop an RPG without damage back in the day. but, prior to his death his armor took a massive drop in durability.
abc logic is pure bs and hearsay. From the scans I've shown not only is blade faster more agile and extremely more deadly with his katana slicing a vampire in 7 pieces in a second but he also has very good durability and more than a enough strength to decapitate sabre. abc logic don't mean nothing you have to back it up with scans and if you can't then blade wins by superior expertise, agility, and speed.
whatever.. 🙄
only time scans are needed is if someone lacks credibility which i only see one person missing it completely here.
Sabretooth has shown sufficient speed to grab both spidey and punisher after chasing the spider down.
Sabretooth has been stated on panel to be superior to wolverine in every way by the writer and narration box. government files, x-men shield etc etc have all said the same thing as well as logan himself when he has fought sabretooth for decades and that was before the constant upgrades that sabretooth undertook the last one at the hands of the director of weapon X. Wolverine outright stated sabretooth was far faster then before and wolverine was unable to put up a fight nor react.
sabretooth speed is enough to stop and parry logan as easily as if logan was a child. Blade has never shown that level of combat speed on logan.
Originally posted by jinzinBlade has kept pace with dracula and several other vampires, should I bring their speed feats to the debate?Blade while he was a human out-paced morbius. If sabretooth himself doesn't have any speed feats I don't see what we're debating. To make it clear, in a comic, sabretooth may be portrayed as faster, but you'd be hard pressed to make a case for it when he has no quantifiable speed feats without using double standards. Like stated before, sabretooth may indeed be faster that Wolverine, but that doesn't entitle him to Wolverine speed feats, Blade has been stated as stronger, faster, etc. compared to vampires and has shown such, that doesn't entitle him to their feats.
And you would be wrong on both counts.Again this is why it matters that Sabretooth is faster than Wolverine stated and proven.
Blade can't say the same thing, every feat Blade has in speed Wolverine can match or outstrip.
That Sabretooth is legitimately faster than Wolverine IS VERY relevant if you want to have a discussion about his speed.
If you're looking for stupid feats of slicing and dicing or knocking bullets out of the air you won't find them en mass, His feats are typically displayed against other opponents where it's typically referenced.
Being faster than Morbius isn't even remotely impressive, he's a character with not even a quarter of the appearances Sabretooth has and Creed doesn't have that many to begin with. 😬
Aside from that, Blade being "faster than morbius" isn't really legit. They typically fight on the same level, with Blade securing an upperhand at the end.... If Blade was faster than Daredevil, Iron Fist, or hell, Wolverine... Then you would have an argument.
Originally posted by King Castle
whatever.. 🙄only time scans are needed is if someone lacks credibility which i only see one person missing it completely here.
Sabretooth has shown sufficient speed to grab both spidey and punisher after chasing the spider down.
Sabretooth has been stated on panel to be superior to wolverine in every way by the writer and narration box. government files, x-men shield etc etc have all said the same thing as well as logan himself when he has fought sabretooth for decades and that was before the constant upgrades that sabretooth undertook the last one at the hands of the director of weapon X. Wolverine outright stated sabretooth was far faster then before and wolverine was unable to put up a fight nor react.
sabretooth speed is enough to stop and parry logan as easily as if logan was a child. Blade has never shown that level of combat speed on logan.
If we're able to do this, I have a whole new list of feats for Blade based on what generic vampires have done.
Originally posted by King CastleI lack credentials even though I'm the one with the scans.....RIGHT....... 😆
whatever.. 🙄only time scans are needed is if someone lacks credibility which i only see one person missing it completely here.
Sabretooth has shown sufficient speed to grab both spidey and punisher after chasing the spider down.
Sabretooth has been stated on panel to be superior to wolverine in every way by the writer and narration box. government files, x-men shield etc etc have all said the same thing as well as logan himself when he has fought sabretooth for decades and that was before the constant upgrades that sabretooth undertook the last one at the hands of the director of weapon X. Wolverine outright stated sabretooth was far faster then before and wolverine was unable to put up a fight nor react.
sabretooth speed is enough to stop and parry logan as easily as if logan was a child. Blade has never shown that level of combat speed on logan.
Originally posted by Trackzmaybe? 😬
Blade has kept pace with dracula and several other vampires, should I bring their speed feats to the debate?Blade while he was a human out-paced morbius. If sabretooth himself doesn't have any speed feats I don't see what we're debating. To make it clear, in a comic, sabretooth may be portrayed as faster, but you'd be hard pressed to make a case for it when he has no quantifiable speed feats without using double standards. Like stated before, sabretooth may indeed be faster that Wolverine, but that doesn't entitle him to Wolverine speed feats, Blade has been stated as stronger, faster, etc. compared to vampires and has shown such, that doesn't entitle him to their feats.
Sabretooth has had on panel upgrades to his physical stats and powers.
Turbo sabretooth increased his healing, strength, durability and speed and whatnot...
second upgrade was when he acquire the mysterious adamantium crap.
which had a side bonus of increase his healing factor even more due to adamantium addiction..
3rd time was at the hands of Weapon X at the request of the director to give sabe an overhaul in his abilities once again absurd lvl of healing, speed/reflex, strength and reintroducing his adamantium.
now what we are doin isnt ABC logic but comparison of speed compared to the opponents he has fought and shown to be superior in speed from wolverine, Beast and the undeniable standard of agility and speed spiderman..
now if you want to use blade killing generic non established vampires go ahead but be sure to have scans b/c we never heard of them nor their power levels.
but if your argument is tha morbius is some how known for speed agility and reflex it fails since nothing suggest to be equal to spider speed even when he has fought the spider.
Originally posted by King Castle
maybe? 😬Sabretooth has had on panel upgrades to his physical stats and powers.
Turbo sabretooth increased his healing, strength, durability and speed and whatnot...
second upgrade was when he acquire the mysterious adamantium crap.
which had a side bonus of increase his healing factor even more due to adamantium addiction..3rd time was at the hands of Weapon X at the request of the director to give sabe an overhaul in his abilities once again absurd lvl of healing, speed/reflex, strength and reintroducing his adamantium.
now what we are doin isnt ABC logic but comparison of speed compared to the opponents he has fought and shown to be superior in speed from wolverine, Beast and the undeniable standard of agility and speed spiderman..
now if you want to use blade killing generic non established vampires go ahead but be sure to have scans b/c we never heard of them nor their power levels.
but if your argument is tha morbius is some how known for speed agility and reflex it fails since nothing suggest to be equal to spider speed even when he has fought the spider.
my argument is that if you want to use wolverine's speed feats for sabretooth, then I can use feats from vampires like hannibal king, deacon frost, dracula (only in terms of physicality) and generic vampires to argue for Blade. This adds greatly to Blades feats.
I mean abc logic goes a logn way, Blade was on equal terms with Dracula, who virtually dismissed wolverine, Blade with hannibal kings powers (Blade written as a vampire beat Hannibal King easily) took out ghost rider.
Originally posted by King CastleWhat your doing is abc logic.
maybe? 😬Sabretooth has had on panel upgrades to his physical stats and powers.
Turbo sabretooth increased his healing, strength, durability and speed and whatnot...
second upgrade was when he acquire the mysterious adamantium crap.
which had a side bonus of increase his healing factor even more due to adamantium addiction..3rd time was at the hands of Weapon X at the request of the director to give sabe an overhaul in his abilities once again absurd lvl of healing, speed/reflex, strength and reintroducing his adamantium.
now what we are doin isnt ABC logic but comparison of speed compared to the opponents he has fought and shown to be superior in speed from wolverine, Beast and the undeniable standard of agility and speed spiderman..
now if you want to use blade killing generic non established vampires go ahead but be sure to have scans b/c we never heard of them nor their power levels.
but if your argument is tha morbius is some how known for speed agility and reflex it fails since nothing suggest to be equal to spider speed even when he has fought the spider.
Originally posted by Trackzwell then if wolverine was unable to match Dracula speed and we use logan as the middle ground of the two characters and how they each did against him it would suggest that Sabretooth and Dracula may be in the same speed range with how they can handle logan.
my argument is that if you want to use wolverine's speed feats for sabretooth, then I can use feats from vampires like hannibal king, deacon frost, dracula (only in terms of physicality) and generic vampires to argue for Blade. This adds greatly to Blades feats.I mean abc logic goes a logn way, Blade was on equal terms with Dracula, who virtually dismissed wolverine, Blade with hannibal kings powers (Blade written as a vampire beat Hannibal King easily) took out ghost rider.
plus if we use how blade did with wolverine and how sabe deals with Wolverine it would once again suggest that at best blade's speed may be equal if not lower then logan and by extension sabretooth would be superior to both of them.
but go ahead and use your ABC logic, it makes no never mind to me..
also has me thinking wasnt blade astonished at wolverine's speed in his flash back? and pretty sure wolverine on more then one occasion has dismembered groups of vamps pretty easily without the need of silver bullets and wooden stakes with just skill/speed alone?durverine
also if you want to play this game of who has taken out who you are playin with the wrong characters b/c blade as cool as he is also has limited showings and logan by far has had the more impressive win resume then blade..logan
no one here is using abc logic we are making comparison of how each deals with the same or similar stat opponent..
Originally posted by King Castle
well then if wolverine was unable to match Dracula speed and we use logan as the middle ground of the two characters and how they each did against him it would suggest that Sabretooth and Dracula may be in the same speed range with how they can handle logan.plus if we use how blade did with wolverine and how sabe deals with Wolverine it would once again suggest that at best blade's speed may be equal if not lower then logan and by extension sabretooth would be superior to both of them.
but go ahead and use your ABC logic, it makes no bever mind to me..
also has me thinking wasnt blade astonished at wolverine's speed in his flash back? and pretty sure wolverine on more then one occasion has dismembered groups of vamps pretty easily without the need of silver bullets and wooden stakes with just skill/speed alone?durverine
also if you want to play this game of who has taken out who you are playin with the wrong characters b/c blade as cool as he is also has limited showings and logan by far has had the more impressive win resume then blade..logan
no one here is using abc logic we are making comparison of how each deals with the same or similar stat opponent..
....you're the one who brought up ABC logic in the first place by trying to use wolverines speed feats for sabretooth...
and that was on one of Blade's first vampire hunts, before he had really even manifested his powers.
again, if you're talking about in X-Men #3 the vampires were tasked with leading wolverine to jubilee.
again we see the problem, your entire post is filled with Wolverine, who isn't in this thread. There are several scans of Blade staking dracula before he can react, but as you yourself are seeing, enabling me to use dracula's speed feats for Blade opens up a slippery slope.
my argument wasnt ABC logic it was a statement of writer narration which put you on your ABC tangent that you bn on with the other posters b4 they left.
i simply stated that sabretooth speed is superior to logan and even spider which he is able to grab while spidey is in his dodging mode.
now if you have scans where Blade is shown matching or exceeding the bench mark of known characters then you have an argument.
but if all you have are canon fodder characters he was designed to fight then its a umph whatever moment.
Originally posted by King Castle
my argument wasnt ABC logic it was a statement of writer narration which put you on your ABC tangent that you bn on with the other posters b4 they left.i simply stated that sabretooth speed is superior to logan and even spider which he is able to grab while spidey is in his dodging mode.
now if you have scans where Blade is shown matching or exceeding the bench mark of known characters then you have an argument.
but if all you have are canon fodder characters he was designed to fight then its a umph whatever moment.
ok sabretooth is faster than wolverine, blade is as fast as dracula. there we go.
now do we go to actual speed feats?
sure post the blade and dracula speed and how blade is equal or faster..
if i recall the only reason logan was bit by dracula is b/c he used his mist form to get past logan's claws..
that doesnt mean dracula and blade are vastly faster then logan or sabe.
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