Sabertooth Vs. Blade

Originally posted by King Castle
sure post the blade and dracula speed and how blade is equal or faster..

if i recall the only reason logan was bit by dracula is b/c he used his mist form to get past logan's claws..

that doesnt mean dracula and blade are vastly faster then logan or sabe.

badabing!!!!

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t311106.html

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t484990.html

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t455613.html

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20fights/BladevsDracula.jpg
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this is blade's first fight with Dracula since being written as a vampire, even in flashbacks we see Dracula running circles around an early Blade, which is clearly not the case currently, Dracula says as much in their little banter.

hmm.. nothing suggested anything close to superhuman speed let alone olympic but simply a sucker puch style attack complete surprise.

show me the current blade vs dracula let's see if it is without any pis.

Originally posted by King Castle
hmm.. nothing suggested anything close to superhuman speed let alone olympic but simply a sucker puch style attack complete surprise.

show me the current blade vs dracula let's see if it is without any pis.

and reacting to dracula blitzing you does require superhuman speed, as wolverine was virtually unable to land a hit on him. but again, this is abc logic, if you keep this up it becomes who's faster wolverine or dracula, or any other vampire I bring up, rather than getting into sabretooths and blades actual speed feats.

I mean it's pretty much been stated already that sabretooth has no quantifiable speed feats only speed feats against characters who blade has never faced save for wolverine.

Originally posted by Trackz
Blade has kept pace with dracula and several other vampires, should I bring their speed feats to the debate?Blade while he was a human out-paced morbius. If sabretooth himself doesn't have any speed feats I don't see what we're debating. To make it clear, in a comic, sabretooth may be portrayed as faster, but you'd be hard pressed to make a case for it when he has no quantifiable speed feats without using double standards. Like stated before, sabretooth may indeed be faster that Wolverine, but that doesn't entitle him to Wolverine speed feats, Blade has been stated as stronger, faster, etc. compared to vampires and has shown such, that doesn't entitle him to their feats.

Typically how these Blade threads devolve.

Blade's abilities come into question his feats can't match up.... and so we turn to Dracula for help....

Get this: The only Dracula that is impressive enough to warrant responses in this or any other thread is the impressive one that has fought Apoc, Silver Surfer, Etc...

He gets written down for Blade... and as far as speed is concerned, Wolverine scored first blood on Drac anyways... So that doesn't really matter on Dracs speed as it can not be proven faster than Wolverine in direct comparison, or by feats... Just like Blade ALSO can't.

But Sabretooth Can... 🙂

Funny how you claim Blade isn't entitled to vampire feats when you and roughly the entire cadre of Blade supporters in these threads basically build entire pro-Blade arguments centered around that very basis...
Hypocritical at it's peak. I mean, do I even need to go back and bring up the literally dozens of threads in which that's happened with that ridiculous poem alone?

Thing is, Sabretooth IS entitled to Wolverine's feats because he has been not only stated, but proven faster, AND referenced about it many times...

He's faster than Blade. It's not a matter that's up for debate... Unless you think you can prove Blade's faster than Wolverine... which he would need to be in order to be faster than Tooth...

And I can tell you from years of experience on these boards and reading comics.... You can't. 😐

Originally posted by Trackz
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20fights/BladevsDracula.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20fights/BladevsDracula2.jpg

this is blade's first fight with Dracula since being written as a vampire, even in flashbacks we see Dracula running circles around an early Blade, which is clearly not the case currently, Dracula says as much in their little banter.

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Your "evidence" is of Blade staking a literally depowered Dracula?

And... I'm not sure what that's supposed to prove... other than that a depowered Drac can blitz Blade and have him by the throat from 10-15 feet away........ 😬

Again... not exactly a point for Blade... but if you think that helps you... lol.

Originally posted by jinzin
Typically how these Blade threads devolve.

Blade's abilities come into question his feats can't match up.... and so we turn to Dracula for help....

Get this: The only Dracula that is impressive enough to warrant responses in this or any other thread is the impressive one that has fought Apoc, Silver Surfer, Etc...

He gets written down for Blade... and as far as speed is concerned, Wolverine scored first blood on Drac anyways... So that doesn't really matter on Dracs speed as it can not be proven faster than Wolverine in direct comparison, or by feats... Just like Blade ALSO can't.

But Sabretooth Can... 🙂

Funny how you claim Blade isn't entitled to vampire feats when you and roughly the entire cadre of Blade supporters in these threads basically build entire pro-Blade arguments centered around that very basis...
Hypocritical at it's peak. I mean, do I even need to go back and bring up the literally dozens of threads in which that's happened with that ridiculous poem alone?

Thing is, Sabretooth IS entitled to Wolverine's feats because he has been not only stated, but proven faster, AND referenced about it many times...

He's faster than Blade. It's not a matter that's up for debate... Unless you think you can prove Blade's faster than Wolverine... which he would need to be in order to be faster than Tooth...

And I can tell you from years of experience on these boards and reading comics.... You can't. 😐

1. sabretooths has no speed feats outside of his fights with characters that blade has never matched up with
2. sabretooth's quantifiable speed feats don't match blade's if they can, they haven't been presented
3. responded already to misconceptions of dracula in regards to blade
4. Dracula as speed feats to surpass wolverine, one of them being dismissing him handily
5. I've gone to bada about whether or not it is admissible to use one characters feats for another, if so generic vampire feats should apply to Blade.
6. I've never argued that Blade should be able to use vampires feats, but maybe you should remember that you argued against that very case when it WAS brought up seeing as Blade hadn't done them himself, speak for yourself about being hypocritical.

one that was hit by surprise while gloating monologing over blade.

can you say PIS.

might as well put Blade vs dracula in a forum fight or blade vs Apocalypse, sinister and the like. 🙄

maybe even Ba'al ring any bells i mean if dracula is his high vamp showing i wonder what an actual Vampire God would be.

Originally posted by Trackz
that was current blade vs. dracula

and reacting to dracula blitzing you does require superhuman speed, as wolverine was virtually unable to land a hit on him. but again, this is abc logic, if you keep this up it becomes who's faster wolverine or dracula, or any other vampire I bring up, rather than getting into sabretooths and blades actual speed feats.

I mean it's pretty much been stated already that sabretooth has no quantifiable speed feats only speed feats against characters who blade has never faced save for wolverine.

Virtually unable....? 🤨

Uh no.... He launched an attack from half the room away and landed first blood.... I don't know what was the give away there... The ripped shirt or Drac stating has much...

But there's a definitive difference between being unable to land an attack and landing an attack that's ineffective.

So.... Wolverine proved he could land first blood on Drac from half a room away, Drac blitzed Blade.... And Sabretooth is faster than Wolverine can track... woopdido, Sabretooth wins.

Originally posted by jinzin
Virtually unable....? 🤨

Uh no.... He launched an attack from half the room away and landed first blood.... I don't know what was the give away there... The ripped shirt or Drac stating has much...

But there's a definitive difference between being unable to land an attack and landing an attack that's ineffective.

So.... Wolverine proved he could land first blood on Drac from half a room away, Drac blitzed Blade.... And Sabretooth is faster than Wolverine can track... woopdido, Sabretooth wins.

Dracula has on panel super speed, wolverine doesn't. Dracula let wolverine hit him, then dismissed him. not even a fight.

Wolverine blitzed Dracula, in the same fashion Blade blitzed Wolverine, from across the room landed an attack, despite it being ineffective. so either wolverine attack meant nothing, or blade has blitzed wolverine.

you realize that is not how it happen.. Wolverine climbed into the window and said he just went a few rounds with omega red and was tired wanted a beer ect etc.. if anything it was more like logan didnt care and even if he did and blade managed to legitimately out react logan it was more to do with logan not being at a 100% or in the mindset for battle.

hitting someone that isnt expecting an attack doesnt mean the character speed is superior to the guy he suckered punch.

🤨 Sabretooth has no speed feats or agility feats or weapons feats that can even touch blade so all they can do is cling on to stupid banter that has nothing to do with the fact that when it comes down to showing sabre's feats speed, agility, and weapons feats they got nothing so what they do is cling on to idiotic banter and abc logic and twist thread into one big heaping pile of shit until everything is so off topic that it really doesn't matter what is said because they have taken 10 pages of ranting to pull the true feats away and leave nothing more than useless banter, and stupidity to fill in the gap.
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Originally posted by King Castle
you realize that is not how it happen.. Wolverine climbed into the window and said he just went a few rounds with omega red and was tired wanted a beer ect etc.. if anything it was more like logan didnt care and even if he did and blade managed to legitimately out react logan it was more to do with logan not being at a 100% or in the mindset for battle.

hitting someone that isnt expecting an attack doesnt mean the character speed is superior to the guy he suckered punch.

Originally posted by Trackz
1. sabretooths has no speed feats outside of his fights with characters that blade has never matched up with

Which are feats that matter since they're against ESTABLISHED CHARACTERS with established speed feats. 🤨

Originally posted by Trackz
2. sabretooth's quantifiable speed feats don't match blade's if they can, they haven't been presented

His quantifiable speed feats all consist around being faster than beings who outstrip every speed feat blade has ever had.

Originally posted by Trackz
3. responded already to misconceptions of dracula in regards to blade

Insisting something's a fact doesn't make it true.

Originally posted by Trackz
4. Dracula as speed feats to surpass wolverine, one of them being dismissing him handily

Beating Wolverine and being faster than Wolverine are 2 separate things, and you should probably try to understand the difference. Wolverine landed the first strike in that encounter and it wasn't against a depowered Drac.

Originally posted by Trackz
5. I've gone to bada about whether or not it is admissible to use one characters feats for another, if so generic vampire feats should apply to Blade.

Originally posted by Trackz
6. I've never argued that Blade should be able to use vampires feats, but maybe you should remember that you argued against that very case when it WAS brought up seeing as Blade hadn't done them himself, speak for yourself about being hypocritical.

I argued against it because people were arguing a case that by design implies he could fly, had 10 ton+ strength, could turn to mist and had a myriad of other powers certain vampires have that he's NEVER DISPLAYED...

Has Sabretooth DISPLAYED greater speed than Wolverine? Yes... multiple times.... There's no question that he's faster.

You're comparing apples and oranges here kiddo. 😉

The fact that Sabretooth HAS PROVEN ON PANEL AND BY ADMISSION what we're saying he's capable completely eradicates the premise of Sabe's speed and Blade supposed attributes from being the same thing.

Originally posted by Trackz
Dracula has on panel super speed, wolverine doesn't. Dracula let wolverine hit him, then dismissed him. not even a fight.

Wolverine blitzed Dracula, in the same fashion Blade blitzed Wolverine, from across the room landed an attack, despite it being ineffective. so either wolverine attack meant nothing, or blade has blitzed wolverine.

Uh... Wolverine landed the first attacks in that fight too. 😕

So... you're really really failing here.

At no point did Drac suggest he LET Wolverine attack him... so that's conjecture..

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Originally posted by Kinasin
🤨 Sabretooth has no speed feats or agility feats or weapons feats that can even touch blade so all they can do is cling on to stupid banter that has nothing to do with the fact that when it comes down to showing sabre's feats speed, agility, and weapons feats they got nothing so what they do is cling on to idiotic banter and abc logic and twist thread into one big heaping pile of shit until everything is so off topic that it really doesn't matter what is said because they have taken 10 pages of ranting to pull the true feats away and leave nothing more than useless banter, and stupidity to fill in the gap.
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Well if you count yourself as filling in the gap... 😂

Look if you can't understand how Wolverine's feats apply to this thread and how Sabretooth being faster than Wolverine is FAR more impressive a speed feat than ANYTHING Blade has to offer, you're basically just showing off you have no concept of how mathematics work.

But then again you think Sabretooth as a strength limit of around 1 ton so that's not exactly surprising.

Originally posted by illadelph12
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@ Kinasin - hmmm well that's pretty absurd... Nothing Wolverine hasn't done or hasn't outstripped.

Again Sabretooth doesn't need "fodder feats" he has feats against established characters. 😉

Originally posted by jinzin
Well if you count yourself as filling in the gap... 😂

Look if you can't understand how Wolverine's feats apply to this thread and how Sabretooth being faster than Wolverine is FAR more impressive a speed feat than ANYTHING Blade has to offer, you're basically just showing off you have no concept of how mathematics work.

But then again you think Sabretooth as a strength limit of around 1 ton so that's not exactly surprising.

Jinzin do you think Sabes is equal to Spiderman in speed?