Originally posted by Trackz
same healing then, spitfire is faster, sabretooth may be stronger but spitfire is no slacker, but thats off-topic.
Alo sabre-tooth right after he gets up starts brawling
i doubt her regeration nor durability is on par to sabe care to post her best regen healing and time frame from panels?
her speed i'll grant you is superior to sabe as well as the likes of blade by a large margin but not enough to keep her in a fight with her close quarter combat granting her the ability to outfight or outlast sabes.
anyways.. no one is substituting feats but gauging both opponents with how they deal and fight the same known established character to make a comparison to technique, strength and speed.
which is how we debate and have bn doing it for years.. what you are trying to pass off it off as is ABC logic due to blades feats being against less known established characters and fodder.. which equals fail
Originally posted by King Castleok, so one should have to prove a character is stronger than a generic vampire to prove he is stronger than blade
i doubt her regeration nor durability is on par to sabe care to post her best regen healing and time frame from panels?her speed i'll grant you is superior to sabe as well as the likes of blade by a large margin but not enough to keep her in a fight with her close quarter combat granting her the ability to outfight or outlast sabes.
anyways.. no one is substituting feats but gauging both opponents with how they deal and fight the same known established character to make a comparison to technique, strength and speed.
which is how we debate and have bn doing it for years.. what you are trying to pass off it off as is ABC logic due to blades feats being against less known established characters and fodder.. which equals fail
a generic vampire does not qualify as a known established character.
that's like comparing hand ninjas and saying they are equal to how wolverine, Cage, Juggernaut and others handle them as a showing of one another's speed forgetting that everyone is on a different class of strength, speed, durability and fighting skills.
Fodder is not normally use as a standard measuring stick especially when they vary in strength, skill and power regularly.
Example you might claim a generic vampire is demigod lvl and say that applies for every vampire heroes have run into. etc etc..
Originally posted by Trackz
ok, so one should have to prove a character is stronger than a generic vampire to prove he is stronger than blade
Originally posted by Trackz
1. because blade's characters don't operate in mainstream marvel universe, hannibal and morbius have shown significant speed due their their vampirism.
I don't doubt that either character is fast or has "significant speed"
But can you:
1: Prove either character has a speed that is as fast or greater than that of Wolverine?
and
2: Prove through feats/statements/AND admission that Blade is faster than them by comparison?
Again, this is the problem that's posed. Blade being as fast or faster than either character is conjecture until proven otherwise. Their speed and what calibur it's at is conjecture until proven otherwise.... Sabretooth's speed however is NOT conjecture. It's proven fact.
Originally posted by Trackz
2. doing this to someone with a spider-sense and can dodge bullets means a lot
Jamal hit an airborn Spiderman knocking him on his ass long enough to jump on top of. It's not a feat of a vampire being faster than Spiderman.
I told you this a year ago, if hitting Spiderman makes you faster than Spiderman this forum has a lot of problems.. That's not the case. Jamal did what a SCORE of humans have also been able to do. Being as experienced and skilled as Jamal was supposed to be brings merit to his ability to do this to Spiderman it however is not evidence of superior speed.... And once again... EVEN IF IT WAS (It's STILL NOT but hey... argument's sake and all that), you STILL need to provide proof/statements/and admissions of Blades superiority in speed.
Do you have it?
Originally posted by Trackz
3. at this point I'm not arguing who's faster, I'm only arguing that these feats and the feats of other generic vampires would be admissible for Blade because it has been stated many times by vampires and the narration that Blade is one of the more powerful vampires and that he has their strengths
As it's already been pointed out to you these are sweeping generalizations and vamp strengths and powers vary to wild degrees.
If you had direct quotes that have Blade being stated/proven/etc faster, stronger, etc... to SPECIFIC VAMPIRES who ALSO have feats to draw a bar from then you're comparison would have merit. But you don't... so it doesn't. 😬
Originally posted by Trackz
4. spitfire vamping out was coasting in neutral? hardly. she also admits that Blade could beat her if she ever went berserk, and the fight ended in a stalemate, spitfire throwing Blade while he wasn't fighting is the equivalent of me saying Blade won the fight seeing as he had his sword at spitfire's throat when the fight ended.
If she went berserk lends itself to her losing tactical awareness and application etc... various attributes that she used to handle him.
However.. could you please provide a scan of this admission?
Originally posted by Trackz
5. I wasn't ignoring sabretooth's feas, I'm saying that if you want to use wolverine has a benchmark for sabretooths speed, I should be able to do the same for generic vampires and Blade, I'm not really arguing for Blade in this match as sabretooth would win, but that in other fights that these other vampries feats should be able to apply for Blade.
You literally HAVE to use Wolverine's speed as a benchmark for Sabretooth's because we know it's a matter of FACT that Sabretooth is faster... This isn't supposition on my part, nor is it conjecture... It's stated, proven and provided by a wealth of evidence.
Saying Blade is one of the more powerful vamps is a nice statement but it leaves a LOT open to interpretation. It isn't something that dictates that you can use any vamp feats for Blade's abilities... he can't make lightning storms, turn to mist, or shoot energy beams from his hands.... He doesn't have the feats to suggest that he can.
However, Sabretooth IS faster than Logan, and has proven it.
Do you seriously not understand the difference?
Honestly do you not get it? I can try and explain it in simpler terms.. and I'm quite serious right now, I'm not being insulting... Do you not understand how what you're talking about differs from what I'm doing?
Originally posted by Trackz
6. The character's feats don't outstrip Blade, Sabretooth has characters against mainstream characters, in blade fights people always fall back on that, the fact that mainstream character a has beaten mainstream character b who has tied with mainstream character c, while Blade has beaten character e, f, and g but they've never interacted with the mainstream ones.
The outcome of a fight has to do with TONS of factors not exclusive to speed alone. I'm talking about Sabretooth's speed and ONLY his speed right now.
ABC refers to something where direct proof doesn't apply... but Sabretooth HAS direct proof of being faster than Wolverine.. It isn't ABC "logic" it's proven FACT. 😐
Originally posted by Trackz
7. Blade performs these feats against super-powered opponents, again using your argument I can apply generic vampire feats who one panel Blade has been stated to be superior to which does make Blade far above any street level.
Sabretooth's feats do... which is funny since you want proof of Sabretooth's speed but reject the feats he produces because they're against characters rather than jobbers like thugs or bullets.... or vampire thugs.. There's a drastic difference.
Originally posted by Deadline
This pretty much looks like hypocrisy to me.
Not really surprised...
Okay Zone.. please answer me this then...
Can you justify power stacking for Blade even though that's not how's he's written?...
And if you can do that...
Can you also justify Sabretooth not having a healing factor even though that's how he IS written?
Because you're going to have to do both if you think you have another solid position to take on this situation.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganWas that before or after Logan got his sh!t pushed in by one of Blade's human henchman? I can't recall.
Sabre-tooth proved he was stronger then Wolverine who proved he was stronger then generitc vampire by overpowering it, then holding it in place and staking it.......while blade set there bleeding out......
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Was that before or after Logan got his sh!t pushed in by one of Blade's human henchman? I can't recall.
Ah yes you mean when he got jumped?..... hmmm after... y'know when Blade had to be saved...
Must suck having to be rescued by someone who got taken out by one of your human henchmen eh?