Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I think some want to say he's even faster. I've heard he's stronger too... but meh like I said it is off topic, so I'm trying to stop.
He most likely is. But Spider-Man is shorter and slim, has the agility advantage, SS, doesn't tank damage... so he'll always appear to be faster.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWThere is no foundation of proof for that claim. Spider-Man has more strength in a lighter body. It's like putting a v12 in a bike. More agility, flexibility (meaning less restrictions on your body range of motion), I just don't see how he is faster in any way. Not when they are both at their top. This discussion is interesting to entertain (along with other peaks), but it really comes down to just basic logic and common sense in the end. I think you might be saying Sabes is faster in a straight line, and Spider-Man is faster in bouncing all over the place in angles. But when you have all that power in a lighter body straight line speed will be your forte. Not to mention that after a certain point with strength you will no longer get your speed out of running. It will be moving in strides and jumping, which is what he does.
He most likely is. But Spider-Man is shorter and slim, has the agility advantage, SS, doesn't tank damage... so he'll always appear to be faster.
I did it again... *sigh* bad C-Master!
Originally posted by jinzin
I don't doubt that either character is fast or has "significant speed"
But can you:
1: Prove either character has a speed that is as fast or greater than that of Wolverine?
and
2: Prove through feats/statements/AND admission that Blade is faster than them by comparison?Again, this is the problem that's posed. Blade being as fast or faster than either character is conjecture until proven otherwise. Their speed and what calibur it's at is conjecture until proven otherwise.... Sabretooth's speed however is NOT conjecture. It's proven fact.
Jamal hit an airborn Spiderman knocking him on his ass long enough to jump on top of. It's not a feat of a vampire being faster than Spiderman.
I told you this a year ago, if hitting Spiderman makes you faster than Spiderman this forum has a lot of problems.. That's not the case. Jamal did what a SCORE of humans have also been able to do. Being as experienced and skilled as Jamal was supposed to be brings merit to his ability to do this to Spiderman it however is not evidence of superior speed.... And once again... EVEN IF IT WAS (It's STILL NOT but hey... argument's sake and all that), you STILL need to provide proof/statements/and admissions of Blades superiority in speed.Do you have it?
As it's already been pointed out to you these are sweeping generalizations and vamp strengths and powers vary to wild degrees.
If you had direct quotes that have Blade being stated/proven/etc faster, stronger, etc... to SPECIFIC VAMPIRES who ALSO have feats to draw a bar from then you're comparison would have merit. But you don't... so it doesn't. 😬
Yes... Spitfire taking the fight to Blade and treating him like a non-threat while she had a crush on him while trying to teach him a lesson when he's going for the kill... is her coasting in neutral.
If she went berserk lends itself to her losing tactical awareness and application etc... various attributes that she used to handle him.
However.. could you please provide a scan of this admission?You literally HAVE to use Wolverine's speed as a benchmark for Sabretooth's because we know it's a matter of FACT that Sabretooth is faster... This isn't supposition on my part, nor is it conjecture... It's stated, proven and provided by a wealth of evidence.
Saying Blade is one of the more powerful vamps is a nice statement but it leaves a LOT open to interpretation. It isn't something that dictates that you can use any vamp feats for Blade's abilities... he can't make lightning storms, turn to mist, or shoot energy beams from his hands.... He doesn't have the feats to suggest that he can.
However, Sabretooth IS faster than Logan, and has proven it.Do you seriously not understand the difference?
Honestly do you not get it? I can try and explain it in simpler terms.. and I'm quite serious right now, I'm not being insulting... Do you not understand how what you're talking about differs from what I'm doing?I'm not talking about who Sabretooth has beaten...The outcome of a fight has to do with TONS of factors not exclusive to speed alone. I'm talking about Sabretooth's speed and ONLY his speed right now.
ABC refers to something where direct proof doesn't apply... but Sabretooth HAS direct proof of being faster than Wolverine.. It isn't ABC "logic" it's proven FACT. 😐
It would if it had been more specific. Blade a high end street level as it is... but his feats don't dictate that he's above them.
Sabretooth's feats do... which is funny since you want proof of Sabretooth's speed but reject the feats he produces because they're against characters rather than jobbers like thugs or bullets.... or vampire thugs.. There's a drastic difference.
1. so the fact that every time spiderman goes against the generic vampire he is either speed blitzed or overpower means nothing?
2. you aren't getting my argument in the slightest, Blade and Hannibal king, etc. share a species in which people share abilities, of this species Blade has been stated in multiple somics by multiple characters to be one of the most powerful and that he has all of their strengths. You could argue that some of the more powerful vampires upset this, but generic vamps or other vamps that Blade has plain made a fool of shows us that he is indeed physically superior to them. At this point, once again, I'm not talking about the fight at hand, but just how we should use feats in general. I'm saying by using your arguments Blade suddenly has many more feats that put him above the street levelers Blade low-ballers love to equate him to.
3. Vampire strengths and such don't vary, only if you transverse different sects, the humanoid sects such as the claw, krieger, etc. share strengths save for fighting style, no one is equating Blade to the atlantean vampires or the nosferatu. It's a fact and has been said and shown multiple times that Blade is one of the more powerful humanoid vampires, naturally he is above anything a generic vampire can do and this has been shown (blade speedblitzing overpowering, or generic vampire plain being afraid to fight him) and stated.
4. Spitfire didn't even know him, how could she have a crush him, Bending things out of context and re-feeding it to people is hardly an argument and it wasn't what was shown on paper either. I forgot spitfire hitting him with enough force to smash his titanium blade and such counts as treating him like a non-threat, she attacked dracula in the same fashion. Only Dracula failed to react due to his surprise. Blade on the otehr hand was prepared, there's really nothing in the fight to suggest spitfire was treating him as a non-threat.
5. most vampires nowadays don't turn to mist, create storms, or shapeshift. in fact only dracula has done that, you'd be hard pressed to find a vampire other than him do any of that within the last decade. So no there's not much left to interpretation, all vampires share strength, speed, durability, and healing. Some have it to different levels but we know that blade is stronger, we've have generic vampries admit this and it has been stated multiple times within the narrative, and we've seen Blade display this as well. You're treating each and every vampire as a different character, however they are all apart of teh same species, like i stated before there are different sects but no one is comparing Blade to the more monstrous vampires.
Originally posted by Deadlinetrue, but he was shocked that his whole plan was falling apart, like in that instance you can see a drastic change in Dracula's character as he tries to salvage his plan.
By the way Trackz, Dracula wasn't completely suprised. Spitfire announced her presence. She did have an advantage but the fact that Dracula was completely defenceless say alot about how fast Spitfire is.
Originally posted by LunacydeYeah I guess you're right.
First of all I just realized that somehow I was taken to page 4 instead of the last page and that that was an old post.Second of all I apologize if he has a learning disability, but the point is he shouldn't be calling other people stupid, especially when his consistent lack of spelling, grammar, and punctuation is just an invitation for someone to throw it back in his face, particularly since just about every internet browser I know has spellcheck. Being right (whether he was or not) does not give him the right to criticize someone else's post in such a manner.
As for Jukin's post although it may be a misinformed opinion, but it was stated eloquently and the case was well made. Logically his argument was very good, it was a lack in knowledge of the characters that was the problem. However he said nothing in his post to garner such a caustic reaction.
Originally posted by Lunacyde
You spelled pretty wrong...you forfeited the right to tell people they are stupid right then and there.
Originally posted by jinzin
I think Hammer's legitimately dyslexic... 😕His ability to spell is not exclusive to his level of intellect in concerns to logic.. As it stands he was absolutely right about that post IMO.
also on a side note Lunacyde, u quoted a post of mine from well over a year ago............
Originally posted by Trackz
1. so the fact that every time spiderman goes against the generic vampire he is either speed blitzed or overpower means nothing?
Well yeah, it does mean nothing. Since:
1. He's never been blitzed by a vamp.
and
2. Him being overpowered by one of them or a number of them is pretty irrelivant if you don't know how Blade directly compares to them.
Originally posted by Trackz
2. you aren't getting my argument in the slightest, Blade and Hannibal king, etc. share a species in which people share abilities, of this species Blade has been stated in multiple somics by multiple characters to be one of the most powerful and that he has all of their strengths. You could argue that some of the more powerful vampires upset this, but generic vamps or other vamps that Blade has plain made a fool of shows us that he is indeed physically superior to them. At this point, once again, I'm not talking about the fight at hand, but just how we should use feats in general. I'm saying by using your arguments Blade suddenly has many more feats that put him above the street levelers Blade low-ballers love to equate him to.
I completely understand the point you're trying to make, I simply don't agree with it because it's logically unsound.
He's part of a species who all have varying powersets that jump back and forth across the board.
Again he doesn't have the ability to turn to mist. He can't rain down lightning storms, fly, or shoot beams of energy from his hands. He can't hypnotize people. He may be one of the more powerful vampires, but the overwhelming majority of them are cannon fodder as it is so that's really not saying much at all.
Again IF those references were directly connected to other characters with known powersets... you would have a point. But any such references to Blade have been sweeping generalizations.. so they're pretty worthless as proof of anything.
Originally posted by Trackz
3. Vampire strengths and such don't vary, only if you transverse different sects, the humanoid sects such as the claw, krieger, etc. share strengths save for fighting style, no one is equating Blade to the atlantean vampires or the nosferatu. It's a fact and has been said and shown multiple times that Blade is one of the more powerful humanoid vampires, naturally he is above anything a generic vampire can do and this has been shown (blade speedblitzing overpowering, or generic vampire plain being afraid to fight him) and stated.
Yes.... they do... constantly infact.
the only vampires that have overpowered Spidey have been Sage, or been in group fights... Either of which you can't really compare to Blade, since he isn't Sage, nore is he a group of people.
Blade being better than generic vamps is not really in question... That's not the same as being better than people with known attributes at specific levels.
Originally posted by Trackz
4. Spitfire didn't even know him, how could she have a crush him, Bending things out of context and re-feeding it to people is hardly an argument and it wasn't what was shown on paper either. I forgot spitfire hitting him with enough force to smash his titanium blade and such counts as treating him like a non-threat, she attacked dracula in the same fashion. Only Dracula failed to react due to his surprise. Blade on the otehr hand was prepared, there's really nothing in the fight to suggest spitfire was treating him as a non-threat.
It's the same as me claiming Sabretooth's as fast as Quicksilver because he caught one of Sinisters supermen out of the air...
Yeah it's a display of speed, but to assert something like that is completely rediculous.
Originally posted by TrackzNo... Dracula, Varnea, Ba'al, Hannibal King have ALL had powers outside the realm of a generic vamp.
5. most vampires nowadays don't turn to mist, create storms, or shapeshift. in fact only dracula has done that, you'd be hard pressed to find a vampire other than him do any of that within the last decade. So no there's not much left to interpretation, all vampires share strength, speed, durability, and healing. Some have it to different levels but we know that blade is stronger, we've have generic vampries admit this and it has been stated multiple times within the narrative, and we've seen Blade display this as well. You're treating each and every vampire as a different character, however they are all apart of teh same species, like i stated before there are different sects but no one is comparing Blade to the more monstrous vampires.
I'm treating each and every vamp as a different character because they ARE different characters.... 😐
All hand ninja are ninja.... they must all be the same... Yeah that's a bullshit argument.
No one is comparing Blade to the more monstrous vamps because he doesn't have the feats to suggest that he's at their level of physical prowess. It's that simple....
At this point I can only assume you really have no grasp on my argument at all OR how it differs from your insistance. Bottem line, being faster than Wolverine IS a speed feat and it's one Blade doesn't share.
Originally posted by ankur29✅
👆no, just no
I like how so many people try to act like it's some crazy sacrilege to think Sabretooth's faster than Spiderman when all evidence would indicate otherwise.
Meh, like I said, Sabretooth's got more sheer speed but Spiderman can counteract it with his compounded abilities...
Or at least he can try I guess.... Even pre-upgraded Tooth was a bit fast for Spiderman...
Originally posted by jinzin
✅I like how so many people try to act like it's some crazy sacrilege to think Sabretooth's faster than Spiderman when all evidence would indicate otherwise.
Meh, like I said, Sabretooth's got more sheer speed but Spiderman can counteract it with his compounded abilities...
Or at least he can try I guess.... Even pre-upgraded Tooth was a bit fast for Spiderman...
Sabretooth may just be a better fighter not faster.
Originally posted by Deadline
Sabretooth may just be a better fighter not faster.
True... He may... but that's just kind of a hard pill to swallow when we know how fast Wolverine is to Spiderman, how fast Spiderman thinks he is and take into account a pre-upgraded tooth is faster than that.
But you're right it may not be so cut and dry.
Originally posted by jinzin
True... He may... but that's just kind of a hard pill to swallow when we know how fast Wolverine is to Spiderman, how fast Spiderman thinks he is and take into account a pre-upgraded tooth is faster than that.But you're right it may not be so cut and dry.
You're just agreeing with me because I was bitching about you right? Meh well it doesn't help the Blade argument anyway, so I'm sure you wouldn't have a problem agreeing with me.