Originally posted by Tha C-Master
And more. If he's using a tiny portion of his strength he isn't going nearly as fast as all out. Speed kills.
Got any proof for this? I've seen DD dodge a pissed off Spiderman. I don't think he holds back against people like Morbius or Aloysha Kravinoff but street levelers can still dodge them.
Originally posted by DeadlineMind controlled? I never said he couldn't be dodged I simply stated he goes all out he goes up in everything, that is common sense.
Got any proof for this? I've seen DD dodge a pissed off Spiderman. I don't think he holds back against people like Morbius or Aloysha Kravinoff but street levelers can still dodge them.
Do you think he'd fight Thor, Titania, the X-Men, like he would fight a mugger? Moving faster when you launch yourself in a strike is deadly when you're him. This is common sense. Launch something with part of your strength and then do it with full strength. Jump with partial strength, and then with full strength. Strength is very related to speed as the stronger a muscle is the faster it moves. Spider-Man does lots of jumping in his movements obviously, that is what he's famous for. He might not fight like a complete dope all of the time, but he holds back a lot.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Mind controlled? I never said he couldn't be dodged I simply stated he goes all out he goes up in everything, that is common sense.
No he wasn't mindcontrolled. Mate you said that he holds back alot therefore that means he would be alot faster. DD was dodging everything he had.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Do you think he'd fight Thor, Titania, the X-Men, like he would fight a mugger? Moving faster when you launch yourself in a strike is deadly when you're him. This is common sense. Launch something with part of your strength and then do it with full strength. Jump with partial strength, and then with full strength. Strength is very related to speed as the stronger a muscle is the faster it moves. Spider-Man does lots of jumping in his movements obviously, that is what he's famous for. He might not fight like a complete dope all of the time, but he holds back a lot.
No its not common sense you're passing off your subjective opinion as a fact. Im too tired to explain how thats faulty logic but as I posted before.
Originally posted by Deadline
Got any proof for this? I've seen DD dodge a pissed off Spiderman. I don't think he holds back against people like Morbius or Aloysha Kravinoff but street levelers can still dodge them.
I might have to actually get somewhat serious and use actual effort and separate quotes to prove my point. I come on here to relax... *sigh* I hate going back to the old days when unnecessary.
Originally posted by DeadlineI'm passing my subjective opinion off? Prove it. It's simple physics. People are sitting here giving you guys proof and you don't want to believe it. I made a thread about the same thing. This nonsense wasn't going on in 05. Spider-Man was considered quite a bit faster than the usual MA's and others when he's in forum mode. Then I leave for a year and come back and suddenly he's slightly faster than them, then he's just as fast as them, now he's slower than them. Of course this is by the same 4 or 5 people and thankfully most people know better than this.
No he wasn't mindcontrolled. Mate you said that he holds back alot therefore that means he would be alot faster. DD was dodging everything he had.No its not common sense you're passing off your subjective opinion as a fact. Im too tired to explain how thats faulty logic but as I posted before.
Originally posted by Mindset
He showed he fought faster when pissed of in BnB by Fisk not even being able to youch him. Same thing happened when he fougjt Taskmaster when he thought MJ was in danger.
True but he doesn't hold back in strength and speed when hes fighting people with superhuman strength and speed. Street levelers dodge Aloysha and Morbius just fine. I think in those cases Spiderman is mega pissed off everybody is more dangerous when they're mega pissed. That doesn't mean under normal circumstance he can turn it up a notch.
Originally posted by DeadlineSubjective opinion.
True but he doesn't hold back in strength and speed when hes fighting people with superhuman strength and speed. Street levelers dodge Aloysha and Morbius just fine. I think in those cases Spiderman is mega pissed off everybody is more dangerous when they're mega pissed. That doesn't mean under normal circumstance he can turn it up a notch.
Originally posted by DeadlineHe holds back against super-humans as well quite almost always actually. He's the typical joke cracking Spider-Man. 😐 He's not in "save MJ or Aunt May mode" in every fight for the past 40+ years. Surely you don't believe this.
True but he doesn't hold back in strength and speed when hes fighting people with superhuman strength and speed. Street levelers dodge Aloysha and Morbius just fine. I think in those cases Spiderman is mega pissed off everybody is more dangerous when they're mega pissed. That doesn't mean under normal circumstance he can turn it up a notch.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I'm passing my subjective opinion off? Prove it. It's simple physics.
1. Its a comicbook!
2. Even in real life the more powerful your punches they slower they are
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
People are sitting here giving you guys proof and you don't want to believe it. I made a thread about the same thing. This nonsense wasn't going on in 05. Spider-Man was considered quite a bit faster than the usual MA's and others when he's in forum mode. Then I leave for a year and come back and suddenly he's slightly faster than them, then he's just as fast as them, now he's slower than them. Of course this is by the same 4 or 5 people and thankfully most people know better than this.
Look you're ignoring what I posted. Heres what I said about those examples.
Originally posted by Deadline
True but he doesn't hold back in strength and speed when hes fighting people with superhuman strength and speed. Street levelers dodge Aloysha and Morbius just fine. I think in those cases Spiderman is mega pissed off everybody is more dangerous when they're mega pissed. That doesn't mean under normal circumstance he can turn it up a notch.
Theres also this point which you didn't even bother to address.
Originally posted by Deadline
No he wasn't mindcontrolled. Mate you said that he holds back alot therefore that means he would be alot faster. DD was dodging everything he had.
Originally posted by DeadlineNo, strong punches with are slow when your muscles are working against each other, normal with people who lift lots of weight and can't fight.
1. Its a comicbook!
2. Even in real life the more powerful your punches they slower they areLook you're ignoring what I posted. Heres what I said about those examples.
Theres also this point. Which you didn't even bother to address.
Spider-Man uses a more jumping approach to his fighting, and attack speed and moving speed are different, and he definitely has the attack speed to nail them.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He holds back against super-humans as well quite almost always actually. He's the typical joke cracking Spider-Man.
Prove it. Just because hes cracking jokes doesn't mean hes not trying his best. Thats just his personality. Hes also been owned by Cap and DD while pissed.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
😐 He's not in "save MJ or Aunt May mode" in every fight for the past 40+ years. Surely you don't believe this.
KP isn't superhuman. He can't acces save MJ mode whenever he feels like it therefore its not relevant in a forum fight or any fight were shes not kidnapped. Everyone is more dangerous when they're pissed off.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No, strong punches with are slow when your muscles are working against each other, normal with people who lift lots of weight and can't fight.Spider-Man uses a more jumping approach to his fighting, and attack speed and moving speed are different, and he definitely has the attack speed to nail them.
You also said anyone can dodge bullets. Don't believe you end of story. I didn't say strong punches were slow and said more powerful punches were slower.
Originally posted by DeadlineLol I like how you're going on tangents now. Prove he's trying his hardest. It's not my burden to prove a negative. You said he's slower, so prove it. Just like you "proved" that throwing someone makes them stronger than the person thrown. You should know his history by now. You're simply using some low showings which have nothing to do with speed in the first place and ignoring the circumstance. DD and Cap get smoked on the forum by Spider-Man and you know it. Like he's going all out against his friends and idols.
Prove it. Just because hes cracking jokes doesn't mean hes not trying his best. Thats just his personality. Hes also been owned by Cap and DD while pissed.KP isn't superhuman. He can't acces save MJ mode whenever he feels like it therefore its not relevant in a forum fight or any fight were shes not kidnapped. Everyone is more dangerous when they're pissed off.
You also said anyone can dodge bullets. Don't believe you end of story. I didn't say strong punches were slow and said more powerful punches were slower.
On top of that he wasn't going "all out" on kingping, but he wasn't joking around either. If he were to go "all out" kingpin would have died. Check that what if (I know it is uncanon but still).
Originally posted by iceman24567Of course, but he is still quite a bit more gentle than the Anti-Hero types, that should be obvious, they have far less quams about that making them anti-hero to begin with. Wolverine even mentions it himself. Lol at Sabes holding back more than Spider-Man. How does a character go from being a "vicious killer" to more gentle than friendly neighborhood?
Gotta agree with BH most superheroes hold back
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Of course, but he is still quite a bit more gentle than the Anti-Hero types, that should be obvious. Wolverine even mentions it himself.
though I agree he holds back more then many anti-hero's, wolverine is not one of them.