Kerry Bush officaial election thread

It might be close but I doubt it'll get as close as last year. And I really doubt Kerry will win. I actually don't care at this point. I despise them both about the same by now. Bush keeps denying facts and acting like the war in Iraq was a total success, and Kerry keeps telling us what Bush is doing wrong but wont say a word about what he plans to do right. And Kerry brought up the fact about the weapons being stolen from that facility when that happen 19 months ago. It's like he was saving it for right before the election so Bush wouldn't have time to rebuttal. Seems shady as hell to me.

How far are the third party candidates from amounting to anything? Peroutka would seem an improvement on those two were it not for that awkward fundamentalist fixation he has 😬

Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
I am voting for President Bush, I don't think it would be wise to take him out of office in the middle of the war. I know there's alot out there against the war, but the fact still remains, we are in War. What will happen if Kerry gets into office in the middle of war?? Will he pull all of our troops out and bring the war here? what would happen or could happen then? And I also think Kerry can't make his mind up LOL he's for 1 thing then he changes and he's against it...who knows what would happen.

Really? Hmmm. I personally don't think it would be wise to leave him in office since he started the war(Note not on terror the one in Iraq). Regardless of who is in office the war will have to be concluded. At least with Kerry there is a better chance it will not happen again. I don't think Kerry will pull our troops out until it is safe for everyone. Including Iraq.

It is a little frustrating to hear that people aren't voting for Kerry because he waffles. I never seen a person in politics that didn't. For every example of Kerry flopping I bet icould come up with a Bush Flop. Changing your mind is not always a bad thing. Bush and Company make it seem that Kerry changes his mind every 10 minutes. Sorry that just doesn't make sense.

Good luck on Election day but I have to say I hope your man doesn't make it into office.

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
OMG hysterical that is funny hysterical your talking about a guy that went from Military Officer... to hippie... to senator... hysterical do you know anything about Kerry? 😂 the whole reason they call him a flip flopper is because he never held a definitive stance IN HIS ENTIRE LIFE let alon in this election 😂

I am sure that you never change your mind or that you don't grow and change as a person. You will always be the same right? Interesting that you have to use 40 years of his life history to make him sound like he changes every 1/2 hour.

Tell ya what get back to me in 40 years and tell me what things have changed in your life. That would make you 59 right? 19 and you know it all. 🙄

RaventheOnly... the way you make it sound I can already imagine Bush being a two year old wearing a suit already 😂

SUPPORT OUR TROOPS...JUST DONT LET THEM VOTE???

not exactly a partison issue, but very disturbing. if ANYONE should be assured the right to vote, it should be those men and women putting their lives on the line for their country:

http://www.sltrib.com/nationworld/ci_2433919

During the chaotic 2000 election, thousands of troops overseas voted for president, only to have their ballots rejected. Others did not receive ballots at all. And some found the entire process confusing.

Four years later - with more than 160,000 troops fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan - Democrats and Republicans alike worry that the same thing will happen. They say reforms enacted by Congress after 2000 have not fixed the problems.

''I just pray for our country. We have to allow the military vote to be counted,'' said Joan Hills, director of Republicans Abroad, which helps U.S. citizens vote from overseas. Her organization's Web site has received 1,700 hits a day in the past two weeks from worried military personnel who did not receive their ballots.

Hills and other election watchers say that failing to count military ballots in this election is even more unforgivable than in 2000 because the votes now represent Americans risking their lives in battle.

'Not allowing military members to vote during wartime would be devastating,'' said Duke University political science professor Peter Feaver. ''They're not sitting in comfortable offices in Germany anymore. Now they're under mortar attack in Iraq.''

With so many troops fighting in the Middle East, members of the military could play a huge role in deciding the next commander-in-chief in this dead-heat presidential contest.

In _ 2000, for example, Florida officials disqualified 1,527 military votes because they lacked postmarks. George W. Bush won Florida - and the presidency - by 537 votes.

The military traditionally votes Republican. In one recent informal survey of the armed forces and their family members, 72 percent of respondents said they favored Bush over Democrat John Kerry.

Many of the problems that marred the military vote in 2000 are cropping up again.

More than a dozen states - including those too close to call - missed the recommended deadline to mail ballots overseas. One of the reasons: legal arguments over whether independent candidate Ralph Nader should be listed on ballots.

More confusing
are conflicting state rules governing how to count an overseas vote.

Basically, military ballots must get to the servicemember's local election official in the United States before a certain deadline. The cut-off dates vary. Some states also require a notary or witness to sign the ballot.

About 20 states, including California, Texas and Alabama, accept faxed ballots from overseas, but finding a working fax machine in war-torn Iraq and Afghanistan can be difficult. In Missouri and North Dakota, officials will accept e-mailed votes, but troops must complete a series of steps on their computer for the ballot to count.

''There will be thousands of military votes that don't get counted this time,'' said Samuel _ Wright, director of the Military Voting Rights Project of the National Defense Committee. ''I hope it's not as bad as 2000, but it's going to be a serious problem.''

Gen. Richard Cody, the Army's vice chief of staff, said Friday that military officials had tried to fix voting problems from 2000, and he downplayed the idea that there could be a repeat this year.

''We worked extremely hard on the absentee ballot program and my hope is every soldier who wanted the opportunity to vote in the election was afforded that opportunity,'' Cody said at 101st Airborne Division headquarters in Fort Campbell, Ky.

Nearly 30 percent of registered military voters didn't get a ballot in 2000 or got it too _ late. This year, Wright estimates between 20 percent and 40 percent of servicemembers will not have their vote counted because of slow mail and differing state rules.

firstly if i was old enough to vote and secondly if i lived in america then i think i would say bush not that i like him i just dont like kerry

You would vote for a warmongering, disregarding, low intelligence, idiotic maniacal president who out and out lied to the people he is supposed to protect over than a man who has changes?

-AC

whats interesting is kerry has a 14 point lead in this poll and in a major survey conducted among young voters, kerry had a 16 point lead....maybe those surveys are not as stupid as i though.

"ONE DAY LEFT" by Michael Moore
Monday, November 1st, 2004

Dear Friends,

This is it. ONE DAY LEFT. There are many things I’d like to say. I’ve been on the road getting out the vote for 51 straight days so I haven’t had much time to write. So I’ve put together a bunch of notes to various groups all in this one letter. Please feel free to copy and send whatever portions are appropriate to your friends and family as you spend these last 24 hours trying to convince whomever you can to show up and vote for John Kerry.

Here are my final words…

To Decent Conservatives and Recovering Republicans:
_________In your heart of hearts you know Bush is a miserable failure. From having no plan on what to do in Iraq once he conquered Baghdad to the 380 missing tons of explosives that could be used to kill our brave young men and women, this guy doesn’t have a clue how to fight and win a war. You should see the mail I’ve been getting lately from our troops over there. They know how much the Iraqi people hate them. They are sitting ducks anytime they go out on the road. Many believe we are not that far away from a Tet-style offensive inside the Green Zone with hundreds of Americans and Brits killed.
_________Bush refused to go after and capture Osama bin Laden. He fought, every step of the way, the investigation into the 9/11 attacks. Who on earth would oppose such a thing? If 3,000 people died at your place of work and your boss said we don’t need to find out why or how it happened, he’d be thrown out on his ear. Bush’s behavior after this great tragedy alone is reason enough for his removal.
_________You already know that George W. Bush is the farthest thing from a conservative. He’s a reckless spender who has run up record-breaking deficits and the biggest debt in our history. He believes in having the government pry into everything from your library records to your bedroom. He has hit you with hidden taxes with his tax cuts for the rich.
_________I know many of you don’t like Bush, but are unsure of Kerry. Give the new guy a chance. He won’t raise your taxes (unless you are super-rich), he won’t take your hunting gun away, and he won’t make you visit France. He risked his life for you many years ago. He’s asking for the chance to do it again. Scott McConnell at The American Conservative magazine has endorsed him. What more do you need?

To My Friends on the Left:
Okay, Kerry isn’t everything you wished he would be. You’re right. He’s not you! Or me. But we’re not on the ballot – Kerry is. Yes, Kerry was wrong to vote for authorization for war in Iraq but he was in step with 70% of the American public who was being lied to by Bush & Co. And once everyone learned the truth, the majority turned against the war. Kerry has had only one position on the war – he believed his president.
_________President Kerry had better bring the troops home right away. My prediction: Kerry’s roots are anti-war. He has seen the horrors of war and because of that he will avoid war unless it is absolutely necessary. Ask most vets. But don’t ask someone whose only horror was when he arrived too late for a kegger in Alabama.
_________There’s a reason Bush calls Kerry the Number One Liberal in the Senate – THAT’S BECAUSE HE IS THE NUMBER ONE LIBERAL IN THE SENATE! What more do you want? My friends, this is about as good as it gets when voting for the Democrat. We don’t have the #29 Liberal running or the #14 Liberal or even the #2 Liberal – we got #1! When has that ever happened?
_________Those of us who may be to the left of the #1 liberal Democrat should remember that this year conservative Democrats have had to make a far greater shift in their position to back Kerry than we have. We’re the ones always being asked to make the huge compromises and to always vote holding our noses. No nose holding this time. This #1 liberal is not the tweedledee to Bush’s tweedledum.

To Nader Voters:
_________See the above note.
_________Ralph’s own party, the Green Party, would not endorse his run this year. That’s because those of us who want to build a third party in this country know that the only way to do this is to build bridges with those who believe in the issues Nader believes in. But not one of those people will sacrifice the chance to remove George W. Bush from the White House on Tuesday. The choice here is clear: do we join with our friends, or do we piss on them?
_________After the debacle of 2000, the Democrats got smart and abandoned the conservative wing of their party. That’s why 8 of the 9 Democrats in the primaries this year were from the liberal wing. Ralph should take credit for that and declare victory. It’s so sad that he doesn’t realize the good he’s accomplished. But for reasons only known to him, he’s more angry at the Democrats than he is at Bush. He has lost his compass. I worry he has lost his mind. But he still gives a great speech!
_________And Lila Lipscomb, the mother from Flint who lost her son in Iraq, she still grieves -- as do the mothers of 1,120 others (not to mention the mothers of the 100,000 Iraqis who have died because of Bush’s war). That’s what this election is about. Not Ralph proving some point. Almost none of us on his 2000 advisory group are supporting him this year. His total lack of respect for his best friends should tell all of you something about what he really thinks of you, too.

To the Non-Swing States:
_________Stop listening to how your vote doesn’t count in this election and that your state is already decided for Kerry or Bush. It is critical that you vote because we not only need to give Kerry the electoral win, but he needs to have a HUGE mandate with an ENORMOUS popular vote victory as well. It will be impossible for him to get anything done for four years if there is no clear mandate. We must not only defeat Bush, we must put a stake in the heart of the right-wing, neo-con movement. If you live in New York, California, Illinois, Texas, the Northeast or the Deep South, you need to vote and you need to bring ten people with you to the polls. If you live in a state where we have the chance to elect the Democrat to the Senate or the House, you need to vote. Turn off the TV. Quit listening to news media that has a vested interest in repeating to you over and over that your vote does not count. It does.
_________If you have friends or relatives who live in the 30-plus non-swing states, call them and remind them how important it is that Kerry gets a massive popular vote victory.

To Non-Voters:
_________I understand why you stopped voting. Politicians suck. Nothing ever seems to change. You’re only one vote.
_________Yes, politicians suck. But so do car salesmen – and that hasn’t stopped you from buying a car. Politicians only respond to the threat of the angry mob also known as the voting public. If most people don’t vote, that’s good news for them ‘cause then they don’t have to answer to the majority.
_________Almost fifty percent of Americans don’t vote. That means you belong to the largest political party in America – the Non-Voting Party. That means you hold all the power to toss George W. Bush out of the Oval Office. How cool is that?
_________I believe that we are going to have the largest election turnout in our lifetime tomorrow. You don’t want to miss out on that. The lines at the polls are going to be long and raucous and fun. It is an historic election. You won’t want to say that you were the only one who wasn’t there. Promise me you’ll vote, just this one time.

To All First-Time Voters:
_________Welcome to the longest running, uninterrupted democracy on earth! You own it. It’s yours.
_________A few words about how messy it’s going to be tomorrow. The lines are going to be long. Bring your iPods. Better yet, bring a friend or two. The election officials have no clue just how many millions are going to show up at the polls. This will be the largest turnout in our lifetime. They don’t have enough machines. They are going to have to send for more ballots.
_________And they are going to make it difficult for you to vote. The new law says if this is your first time voting you must bring ID with you that matches the address you are registered at.
_________If for some reason they can’t find your name on the voting rolls, you have the right to ask for a provisional ballot, which you can fill out and then sort things out later.
_________If you have any problems at the polling place, please call 1-866-OUR-VOTE. The people there can tell you how to find the precinct where you should be voting, get you legal help if you are denied the right to vote, or answer any other questions you may have.
_________If you need any help figuring out the ballot, don’t be afraid to ask. If you screw up your ballot, you can ask for another one. In fact, the law allows you to screw up your ballot two times before you finally have to submit your final ballot! Be careful to vote on the line that says John F. Kerry/John Edwards. Don’t vote for more than one Presidential, Senate or House candidate or you ballot won’t be counted. If your polling place has a stub or a receipt from your ballot, make sure they give you one.
_________Thanks for joining us. Democracy is not a spectator sport. It only works when we all come off the bench and participate.

To African Americans:
_________First of all, let’s just acknowledge what you already know: America is a country which still has a race problem, to put it nicely. Al Gore would be president today had thousands of African Americans not had their right to vote stolen from them in Florida in 2000.
_________Here is my commitment: I will do everything I can to make sure that this will not happen again. And I’m not the only one making this pledge. Thousands of volunteer lawyers are flying to Florida to act as poll watchers and intervene should there be any attempts to deny anyone their right to vote. They will NOT be messing around.
_________For my part, I have organized an army of 1,200 professional and amateur filmmakers who will be armed with video cameras throughout the states of Florida and Ohio. At the first sign of criminality, we will dispatch a camera crew to where the vote fraud is taking place and record what is going on. We will put a big public spotlight on any wrongdoing by Republican officials in those two states. They will not get away with this as they did in 2000.
_________In Ohio, the Republicans are sending almost 2,000 paid “poll challengers” into the black precincts of Cleveland in an attempt to stop African Americans from voting. This action is beyond despicable. Do not let this stop you from voting. I, and thousand of others, will be there to fight for you and protect you.

To George W.:
_________I know it’s gotta be rough for you right now. Hey, we’ve all been there. “You’re fired” are two horrible words when put together in that order. Bin Laden surfacing this weekend to remind the American people of your total and complete failure to capture him was a cruel trick or treat. But there he was. 3,000 people were killed and he’s laughing in your face. Why did you stop our Special Forces from going after him? Why did you forget about bin Laden on the DAY AFTER 9/11 and tell your terrorism czar to concentrate on Iraq instead?
_________There he was, OBL, all tan and rested and on videotape (hey, did you get the feeling that he had a bootleg of my movie? Are there DVD players in those caves in Afghanistan?)
_________Speaking of my movie – can I ask you a personal question before we part ways for good on Tuesday? Why did you and your friends fund SIX “documentaries” trashing me -- but only ONE film against Kerry? C’mon, he was the candidate, not me. What a waste of your time and resources! Sure, I know what your pollsters told you, that the film had convinced some people to vote you out. I just want you to know that that was not my original intent. Funny things happen at the movies. Hope you get to see a few at the multiplex in Waco. It’s a great way to relax.

To John Kerry:
_________Thank you. And don’t worry – none of us are going away after you are inaugurated. We’ll be there to hold your hand and keep you honest. Don’t let us down. We’re betting you won’t. So is the rest of the world.

That’s it. See you at the polls – and at the victory party tomorrow night.

Yours,
Michael Moore
www.michaelmoore.com

Originally posted by PVS
does bush loyalty know no limits?
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WEST PALM BEACH – An 18-year-old Marine recruit remained in jail on Wednesday, charged with threatening to stab his girlfriend over her choice for president, news partner NewsChannel 5 reported in its noon broadcast.

The enlistee, Steven Scott Soper, of Lake Worth, became enraged Tuesday night when his 18-year-old girlfriend said she was leaving him -- and voting for John Kerry for president.

Soper, who will enter the Marines as soon as he passes the GED test, solidly supports Bush. He allegedly told girlfriend Stacey Silheira, "You'll never live to see the election."

Palm Beach Sheriff's Office deputies called to the home in Lake Worth said they had to use a Taser – an electronic stun gun – to subdue Soper. They described Soper as enraged and said he was holding Silheira captive. He was armed with a screwdriver and threatening to stab her in the neck, they said. When Silheira eventually broke free a deputy fired the Taser, shocking him into submission.

Charged with aggravated assault, Soper remains in jail without bond until he undergoes a psychiatric exam, NewsChannel 5 reported.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-1027politicalattack,0,5218066.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

This is sorta irrelevent, but I live in Lake Worth(city mentioned in the article.) We really don't get mentioned much so I just had to point that out (even if it is bad news).

i also have to point out it says she said shes leaving him AND voting kerry

1- he is mad shes leaving him
2- being his partner she knows of his loyalty to bush, she just threw salt in the wounds

While i dont condone his actions, i do believe theres a certain amount of provoking

Originally posted by Darth Sauron
i also have to point out it says she said shes leaving him AND voting kerry

1- he is mad shes leaving him
2- being his partner she knows of his loyalty to bush, she just threw salt in the wounds

While i dont condone his actions, i do believe theres a certain amount of provoking

isnt it amazing though how politics played a role in this?
i mean, think about it:

IM LEAVING YOU!!! ...and im voting for kerry.

i just cant wrap my mind around that

I also would still like a Kerry supporter on this thread to post about some of his qualities or policies as a candidate. I think we all know why Bush is a bad president, but does that automatically make Kerry better? I think the "anyone but Bush" slogan is completely arrogant and closed minded. You honestly think it can't get any worse? Anyone but Bush isn't as safe as it sounds.

"anyone but bush" is a joke.

as for me, i dont see bush as a bad president, i see him as a complete and utter failure. as far as kerry, all we have is his senate record and what he has proposed and promised.

imho nothing is for sure when voting for kerry.
but voting for bush, you can rest assured we are screwed

I can agree that voting for bush you know what your getting already, because we've seen it, and it's not a great option. But just the fact that Kerry isn't Bush isn't enough for me. I swear this year has terrible candidates. I tried watching the debates, but it was just both candidates talking shit about the other candidate. I never once heard Kerry say "well I'm going to do this and this is how I'm gonna do it." All I heard was "this president is wrong about everything." Well it's really easy to look from the outside looking in and say what they are doing wrong, it's a lot harder to be on the inside and do the right thing. And all I ever heard from Bush was "The war in Iraq was right. Saddam Hussien is in jail." Of course it's a good thing Hussein is in jail, but the ends didn't justify the means. If it wasn't for the war in Iraq I'd be totally for Bush. The Bush economy is doing pretty well despite what Kerry will tell you, it's currently growing at a pretty fast rate. I really wanted Kerry to be the right guy to get rid of Bush, but I just don't see it in him.

the economy is not growing at a fast rate,and the job market is still stagnant.

in fact, 20,000 more jobless this week alone:

[url]http://www.usatoday.com/

"There are 821,000 fewer people on payrolls than when Bush took office in January 2001."

Yeah... I hear stuff like that all the time. Take into consideration that when Bush took office the Clinton economy was already going down the drain, and shortly after that the world trade centers blew up, he's doing pretty good economy wise. It has been rising rapidly for the last 8 months or something like that.

a surge in shit deadend walmart jobs is not an economic boom.