Captain America vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by Alfheim
How is Wolverine too evenly matched when Cap has better showings than Wolverine?

Wolverines HF is reduced now so that Omega Red example doesnt count. Im not sure if the besrker rage is gonna make a difference.

actaully it does count. There has been nothing to suggest that Logans healing factor is not more powerfull then at the time he fought omega red.

oh it would certainly make a huge difference, not that he need it to beat capt.

Logan still takes this match the vast majority.

What feats does Wolverine have that puts him on Cap level?

Originally posted by Peek
What feats does Wolverine have that puts him on Cap level?

defeating DD in h2h confrontation.

defeating shang-chi in a similar confrontation.

giving good could old capt a blood clot.

being stated to have master every known and even unknown MA on the planet.

or the fact he always listed as a level 7 in fighting skill

could go on and on.

defeating DD in h2h confrontation. - Big deal

defeating shang-chi in a similar confrontation. - he threatened him with his claws to end it

giving good could old capt a blood clot. - that just show she know show to fight, doesnt mean its afeat that put shim on caps level, he also used the claws to do it

being stated to have master every known and even unknown MA on the planet just because he knows the doesnt means hes as good as them

or the fact he always listed as a level 7 in fighting skill - bad example, they always say shit in the handbooks and stuff

I am not saying your wrong but none of these things suddenly make him Cap level.

Originally posted by Peek
defeating DD in h2h confrontation. - Big deal

Originally posted by Peek
defeating shang-chi in a similar confrontation. - he threatened him with his claws to end it

have not seen capt do this yet im afraid.

Originally posted by Peek
giving good could old capt a blood clot. - that just show she know show to fight, doesnt mean its afeat that put shim on caps level, he also used the claws to do it

really? becuase he defeated capt due to that attack..........how does sending capt to the hospital while your fine not make you on his level? And Logan went into the match healing factor taxed out.

oh and he used his foot not claws.

Originally posted by Peek
being stated to have master every known and even unknown MA on the planet just because he knows the doesnt means hes as good as them

actaully being a master would mean your good at them.........

Originally posted by Peek
or the fact he always listed as a level 7 in fighting skill - bad example, they always say shit in the handbooks and stuff

I am not saying your wrong but none of these things suddenly make him Cap level.

it not sudden he always been capt level.

please i love to know what capt done that makes he logan superior again?

So you go by one showing that contradicts everything? Like Cap beating the crap out of DD and DD running when Cap was mind controlled for gods sake.

He got him into a position to die because he pulled the claws out, what do you think would have happened if he didn't pull them out? He used them at the end so its not a victory because it snot known what would happen.

That match wasn't strictly H2H. They both sued their gear like shield and claws. If he won in a strictly H2H match I would agree with you. Foot? I must check this again.

Yeah it does, but it doesn't automatically mean your good as CAP.

Still using handbook entry's. That is the worse argument ever. Honestly they are wrong about so much its pathetic. I would rather use statements from Quanchi. 😂

Originally posted by Peek
So you go by one showing that contradicts everything? Like Cap beating the crap out of DD and DD running when Cap was mind controlled for gods sake.

Originally posted by Peek
He got him into a position to die because he pulled the claws out, what do you think would have happened if he didn't pull them out? He used them at the end so its not a victory because it snot known what would happen.

actaully it is known what happen. They fought Logan wtf pwned him flip him over and got him into a position that shang-chi could not get out of.

It quite evidence that logan won that fight. It also quite evidence he out fought shang-chi there.

Originally posted by Peek
That match wasn't strictly H2H. They both sued their gear like shield and claws. If he won in a strictly H2H match I would agree with you. Foot? I must check this again.

it was a kick.

Originally posted by Peek
Yeah it does, but it doesn't automatically mean your good as CAP.

Originally posted by Peek
Still using handbook entry's. That is the worse argument ever. Honestly they are wrong about so much its pathetic. I would rather use statements from Quanchi. 😂

it was a joke.

also im still waiting to evidence on why capt more skilled

Wolverine for the win

I think i posted in this thread....too big to look thru completley

Hmmm...... I have always had mixed feelings about a Wolverine, Captain A fight. On one hand you have a samurai mutant tough guy, with unbreakable bones, a "beserk" mode, adamantium claws, and a ridiculously insane healing factor. Against THE peak human of peak humans, and his trusty shield. In a straight up fight Cap should win every time, Logan may say he's the best but Steve really is...however that damn healing factor and unbreakable bones would make anything else hard, however I think Captain America is smart enough to beat him 6/10

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Hmmm...... I have always had mixed feelings about a Wolverine, Captain A fight. On one hand you have a samurai mutant tough guy, with unbreakable bones, a "beserk" mode, adamantium claws, and a ridiculously insane healing factor. Against THE peak human of peak humans, and his trusty shield. In a straight up fight Cap should win every time, Logan may say he's the best but Steve really is...however that damn healing factor and unbreakable bones would make anything else hard, however I think Captain America is smart enough to beat him 6/10

Good ponits, when i came to almost the same decision, i took logans 100 years plus experience ...then we add that he has all his memories....and that is where i give logan the majority

I respect your opinion and just try and add some food for thought 🙂

Originally posted by Battlehammer
defeating DD in h2h confrontation.

It could well be argued that he was suprised that the woman he was attacking was Typhoid Mary. Look at the scans and look at DDs reaction.

http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?image=marvelcomicspresents151oo2.jpg

You think its a coincedence that DD got taken out when he was saying

"WHAT? A third Mary..?" Obvoulsy the suprise distracted him.

Apparently DD has also said that he didnt fight that well in that costume.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

defeating shang-chi in a similar confrontation.

Ok thats a good showing.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

giving good could old capt a blood clot.

Unlikely

Originally posted by Battlehammer

being stated to have master every known and even unknown MA on the planet.

or the fact he always listed as a level 7 in fighting skill

could go on and on.

That doesnt make you better, it just means you know more styles a person with less styles if he applies it better can be a better MA and Cap does.

What about the low showings.

1. Getting chucked in the snow by Molly Hayes.
2 Being humilated by Cyclops.
3 Is it any suprise that if you fight like this....

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5672584

This happens.

http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan07oh9.jpg

😬
4. Getting owned by a person who couldnt dodge a punch from a severaly weakened Collosus and who is described by his superior as an idiot.

5. Fighting Echo and having to resort to using his claws.

Originally posted by starlock
Good ponits, when i came to almost the same decision, i took logans 100 years plus experience ...then we add that he has all his memories....and that is where i give logan the majority

Still doesnt change the fact that Cap is a better fighter. Experience doesnt always make you better at MA look at Thor and Hercules. Anyway Cap was booted 100s of times in a time loop and would have gained 100s of years of experience as well.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
becuases he is............

please give one god reason why he not?

Based not on what forms of training they both know, but on actual fight and combat history....Captain America>>>Wolverine in that he is the far more defensive combatant.

Wolverine many times simply takes strikes simply because he knows he can....just to get in a strike of his own. Its the reason he is a scrapper and the best at that.

But without his claws and healing Captain America would pwn him hand to hand simply due to Wolverines fighting style adjustments. He is used to being able to take hits and heal so its part of his style.

But back to my point, Wolverine takes this due to HF, Adamantium laced skeleton and claw advantages.

Without those things, Cap would take Wolverine for a very high majority.

Originally posted by horrorwolf

But back to my point, Wolverine takes this due to HF, Adamantium laced skeleton and claw advantages.

Without those things, Cap would take Wolverine for a very high majority.

Eventhough his HF has greatly reduced? 😐

Originally posted by Alfheim
Eventhough his HF has greatly reduced? 😐

Originally posted by Peek
Just because its reduced doesn't mean its not strong enough for Cap.

Yes but as stated before if bullets are dropping him thats means Cap can drop him.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes but as stated before if bullets are dropping him thats means Cap can drop him.

Cap > Bullets.

Originally posted by JasonK4
Lulz.

Cap > Bullets.

Well considering hes KOed bulletproof people before....yeah. Lulz

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well considering hes KOed bulletproof people before....yeah. Lulz

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Which w/o use of shield is considered by PIS/CIS. 😉

Srsly.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Which w/o use of shield is considered by PIS/CIS. 😉

Why?