Originally posted by Darth Martin
In a H2H fight I would give Cap the majority as well but remember with the Adamantium in Logan's bones everytime he punched Cap it would be like he was hitting him with brass knuckles on.
Not really...Wolverine hit echo and all it did was make her mad and shes not even as tough as Cap.
Originally posted by Wonder Man
So this may be the Ultimate thread...cause, if Captain America can beat Wolverine then it's fair to say that HE can beat anyone else. Now the same rule doesn't apply to anyone who can beat Wolverine but I think Cap's the one. And what I really love about the Captain that is nearly never mentioned is the Impression of Calm he give when he is really quite the conversationalist. He could stand down any of the greats like Spidy or Deadpool and Iceman too. 🪩
They ought to make ethnic smilies!
I have no idea how you arrived at the conclusion that Cap can beat ANYONE just because he can beat Wolverine... not following you at all!
But he can win this (tuff) fight.
Yes, Cap does give an impression of calm... he's been there, done that. He's a leader, and people sense it. As Thor once said "This man, I would follow through the gates of Hell!" And he IS a speech maker, when he needs to be- but hardly a blabber mouth like Spidey or 'Pool.
As for "ethnic smiles".... I hope you are joking. The smiley face icon is YELLOW- with no racial characteristics one way or the other!
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
It could well be argued that he was suprised that the woman he was attacking was Typhoid Mary. Look at the scans and look at DDs reaction.http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?image=marvelcomicspresents151oo2.jpg
You think its a coincedence that DD got taken out when he was saying
"WHAT? A third Mary..?" Obvoulsy the suprise distracted him.
Are you serous? That’s your excuses?
I mean if he was so darn gosh surprised how was he able to still throw an attack while he stated “what? A third Mary..?”. I am sorry, but if one is able to attack while asking a question his defeat has nothing to do with the surprise since he was still able to react as well as fight. Also a trained fighter and expert MA fighter would not allow a statement such as that effect there fighting performance.
That was a rather futile argument you suggested.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Apparently DD has also said that he didnt fight that well in that costume.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Unlikely
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
That doesnt make you better,
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
it just means you know more styles a person with less styles if he applies it better can be a better MA and Cap does.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
What about the low showings.
What about Captain Americas? I see that your quick to point out wolverines, but not Captain America’s how amusing.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
1. Getting chucked in the snow by Molly Hayes.
That was a rather pathetic example of a low showing.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
2 Being humilated by Cyclops.
Another bad example of a low showing that you have presented. In this encounter Logan was not even being written at the time as an MA master nor being written with his healing factor. You also did not mention that Logan mentally was not close to 100%.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
3 Is it any suprise that if you fight like this....http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5672584
Not sure how this helps your argument in the least bit.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
This happens.
This second example is wolverine verse highly skilled combatants, who all have very powerful abilities. Logan gets shot by a highly skilled shooter, with an extremely powerful gun while fighting other opponents. It was a cheap shot. Logan was surrounded by enemies he had no knowledge of that attack coming nor did he know it be aimed at his eye.
Not sure how this aids your argument.
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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
4. Getting owned by a person who couldnt dodge a punch from a severaly weakened Collosus and who is described by his superior as an idiot.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
5. Fighting Echo and having to resort to using his claws.
False. Have you even read the issue? Logan did not use his claws against echo. He pull them out to stop echo from attacking and echo stop realizing he meant her no harm nor was he her foe. There was never a point in that issue were Logan wish her harm nor was there a point in that issue were Logan wanted the fight.
You have yet to give one good low showing. First example given was a non fight. The second example you gave to me was wolverine prior to character development and you also neglected to mention that he was not 100%. The 3rd example you gave only showing that an expert marksmen can shoot a distracted wolverine who is engaged in combat with powerful mutants and does not see the attack coming.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Still doesnt change the fact that Cap is a better fighter.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Experience doesnt always make you better at MA look at Thor and Hercules.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Anyway Cap was booted 100s of times in a time loop and would have gained 100s of years of experience as well.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yes but as stated before if bullets are dropping him thats means Cap can drop him.
So no capt can’t.
Originally posted by Tony Stark
🙄Meh... Nothing in your statement is true... Is this you Battlethimble?
Cap 9/10
Ya capt gets 9/10 verse an opponent who as good in every aspect and much better in others that he has almost no chance of dropping through KO.
Originally posted by Tony Stark
Wolverine "used" to take punches from The HULK... Unlikely anymore.
Originally posted by Tony Stark
Cap (Steve) has gotten the best of wolverine over and over and over and has KO'd him too.
One happen in Wolverine Origins issue 4: and issue 5: were Logan walked away, but Capt was sent to the hospital due to blood clot.
MAN AND WOLF PART 3 of 6 CAPTAIN AMERICA issue 404😮ne were Logan had the mind of a were wolf and still came out on top.
One happen in Captain America annual issue 8 which never ended nor did either have an advantage it last for 3 swings until giant robot appeared.
The last happen in wolverine origins issue 20: Were the fight never ended fully. Capt had the advantage though Capt used his shield and Logan at the time did not even realize he had claws. Capt was going all out enraged at Logan, for betraying him. Logan was holding back, he did not wish to harm capt and was actually attempting to save capt,but capt did not realize it. It ended with bucky shooting wolverine through the heart.
So actually Logan has never been KO by capt in one on one encounter and has been the victor in 2 out of the 4 fights. The other two never ended and the only one were capt had the advantage Logan was unarmed and trying to save capt while capt was going all out.
Originally posted by Tony Stark
Now that (Bucky) is Cap he can just shot him in the eye for the win.💃
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Not really...Wolverine hit echo and all it did was make her mad and shes not even as tough as Cap.
Originally posted by Mindset
And one has a vibranium/steel shield and is arguable faster.Cap 4/10 isn't exactly good anyway...
One has adamatium claws and can down the other in a single hit while the one with the shield can't say the same.
Capt not faster nor was there ever been any evidence to suggest so.
What we have is to physically equal characters. One however has greater stamina, healing factor, adamatium bones and claws, enchanced durability
The other has a shield.
sorry,but capt won't be taking more then 1.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
One has adamatium claws and can down the other in a single hit while the one with the shield can't say the same.Capt not faster nor was there ever been any evidence to suggest so.
What we have is to physically equal characters. One however has greater stamina, healing factor, adamatium bones and claws, enchanced durability
The other has a shield.
sorry,but capt won't be taking more then 1.
If I were so inclined I could find evidence that could show Cap has the slight speed advantage, but I don't care.
Cap 9/10
Originally posted by Mindset
If I were so inclined I could find evidence that could show Cap has the slight speed advantage, but I don't care.Cap 9/10
lol ya capt 9/10
I mean capt should beat an opponet that is his equal in every way, but superior in other. A guy that capt really stands little chance of putting down due to using blunt force verse an opponet that taken explossions and kept comming.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Where was it stated they were equals, in strength, speed, and fighting?
as for fighting both been stated as the best, both are widly consider two of the best fighters in the world.
Originally posted by Mindset
Well I'm not going to.
Originally posted by Mindset
Also we don't know where Logan's healing factor is at now, a bullet to the head put him down recently though. .
actaully you mean a high calibur bullet through the eye that bounced around the skull repeatedly. No capt can not produce that kinda of damage.
we have also seen Logan take to explossions since down grade and was rather un phazed by them.
He have also seen him get eaten alive and was fine.
so yes were wolverine healing factor is at now is sitll beyond capt ability to really put down.
Originally posted by BattlehammerCap has feats where he speeds by Molecule Man's attacks, and lays his ass out... And he hurt/dropped King Thor... beating up Hulk...
There feats say so. But if you wanna go by whats stated in comics. Logan been listed as enchanced and superhuman in those area's in comics before while capt has not.as for fighting both been stated as the best, both are widly consider two of the best fighters in the world.
Isn't Cap considered The Best?
The way I see it, and you can disagree if you want, is that Cap is stronger, and is a better fighter, while speed is debatable.
However, Wolverine has his skeleton, better chin (damage soak/durability), healing factor, and killer claws.
It equals victory for Wolverine.
srug
