Originally posted by jinzin
WHat? Quote me.
Nah it was a misunderstanding. I said Wolverine was scared of Mrx and I was refering to issue 168, you then said that he had taken on his personal guard. Obvoulsy you thought I was refering to a different incident but I didnt know that and we got our wires crossed.
Anyway I wanna see this stuff on Horde. 😒:
Originally posted by jinzin
Horde was a threat on the level of Pheonix going by what the story says.
Wolverine walked right up to him and yanked his crystal out of his head with his bare hand.
What issue are you refering to X men annual 11? If you are Wolverine doesnt headbutt him at all he used his adamntuim claws.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
edit my bad I see what you were saying...your post was not to clear. Anyway Hulk isnt as powerful as Korvac and Wolverine used adamantuim.I'll read the Xmen annual again but yanking the crystal out of his head isnt H2H skill I dont think...
I don't see Korvac as being an issue against Wolverine's skill, I was throwing out both Hulk AND Horde as examples of something Cap's failed to do in spite of never having the chance to try.
Again, you can come up with a million different reasons for why you think Cap's better but there's more than enough evidence to suggest the contrary. Only the evidence that does exist is comparative.
Originally posted by jinzin
(sigh) Do you not remember the part where I was mocking you?I don't see Korvac as being an issue against Wolverine's skill, I was throwing out both Hulk AND Horde as examples of something Cap's failed to do in spite of never having the chance to try.
You need to prove that Wolverine has the skill to hurt Korvac with his barehands.
Originally posted by jinzin
Again, you can come up with a million different reasons for why you think Cap's better but there's more than enough evidence to suggest the contrary. Only the evidence that does ixist is comparative.
Killing Cap does not prove that Wolverine is better at H2H its proves hes more dangerous. He has supersharp claws, adamantuim bones and a HF for godsake.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You need to prove that Wolverine has the skill to hurt Korvac with his barehands.
This is exactly what I'm talking about.. You need to prove that Captain America can perform better than Wolverine because of skill...
Korvak doesn't prove that.
It's not as if they both tried to fight Korvak in h2h and Wolverine was the only one who failed.
There ARE examples of them being side by side and Wolverine performing better. There ARE example of the being against one another and Wolverine proving himself Cap's equal.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneIt does when Wolverine didn't take a hit to do it.
Killing Cap does not prove that Wolverine is better at H2H its proves hes more dangerous. He has supersharp claws, adamantuim bones and a HF for godsake.
Originally posted by Noraa Senoj
Jinzin what actually makes people say Wolverine has Cap level skill.
What doesn't?
He's had all the training Cap's had, but then some with goverment organizations, ninja organizations, and ninja masters training him as well.
He's had much longer to refine his skills than Cap.
In a fight Wolverine's stalemated Cap in skill even though Cap had massive advantages tohis side including surprise.
Wolverine's beaten Shang Chi in 4 Panels,
Had DD in a full nelson in 3 Panels,
and KOed Roughouse in one.
All better showings than Cap has ever had against people on that level, or those people for that matter.
Wolverine's put down Lady Deathstrike while tortured and disoriented and he did it easier than Cap managed with a ful bill of health.
Wolverine performed better against Overrider's android than Cap did and it was accredited to his skill.
Mr. X thinks he's better.
Zaran thinks he's better.
Wolverine thinks he's better.
They're both the same level going by stats...
Cap uses skill more because he has to. He doesn't possess more skill than Logan though.
Originally posted by jinzin
What doesn't?He's had all the training Cap's had, but then some with goverment organizations, ninja organizations, and ninja masters training him as well.
He's had much longer to refine his skills than Cap.
1. Doesnt make him better by default look at Thor. He ahs more experience but he sucks. Punisher has no were near the amount of training hes had but can at least give him trouble in H2H.
2. Korvac saga!!
Originally posted by jinzin
In a fight Wolverine's stalemated Cap in skill even though Cap had massive advantages tohis side including surprise.
That is a low showing. How the hell does he manages to stalemate somebody who is superior to him in a skill when hes weakened. All of Caps other showings indicate that this should not happen.
Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine's beaten Shang Chi in 4 Panels,
Had DD in a full nelson in 3 Panels,
and KOed Roughouse in one.
All better showings than Cap has ever had against people on that level, or those people for that matter.Wolverine's put down Lady Deathstrike while tortured and disoriented and he did it easier than Cap managed with a ful bill of health.
1. DD was suprised by what Wolverine said. In ETOS DD did Well against Wolverine and Wolverine had help.
2. If you read the fight Cap wasnt even trying he could have KOed her at any time when he got fed up he dealt with her.
3. Er when Wolverine hurts somebody as powerful as Korvac with H2H skill come back and talk.
4. When did he KO Roughouse with one punch I think I read the issue and thats not what happened.
5. Cap has Kod Thunderball with one punch....hes taken shots from Thors hammer.
Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine performed better against Overrider's android than Cap did and it was accredited to his skill.
and got humilated by Moon Knight and a weakened Cap did better than Wolverine did against an injured punisher, got nothing.
Originally posted by jinzin
Mr. X thinks he's better.
Zaran thinks he's better.
Wolverine thinks he's better.They're both the same level going by stats...
Which dont mean a goddamn thing because in that issue or before it Wolverine said this about Caps skills "Even Captain America himself"....it damn well could be argued that Wolverine thought Cap was better.
I dont think Mrx or Zaran thought Cap was better but more dangerous.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
1. Doesnt make him better by default look at Thor. He ahs more experience but he sucks. Punisher has no were near the amount of training hes had but can at least give him trouble in H2H.2. Korvac saga!!
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
That is a low showing. How the hell does he manages to stalemate somebody who is superior to him in a skill when hes weakened. All of Caps other showings indicate that this should not happen.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
1. DD was suprised by what Wolverine said. In ETOS DD did Well against Wolverine and Wolverine had help.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
2. If you read the fight Cap wasnt even trying he could have KOed her at any time when he got fed up he dealt with her.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
3. Er when Wolverine hurts somebody as powerful as Korvac with H2H skill come back and talk..
When Cap can take down someone of Shang's calibre with 4 panel you cancome back and talk to me you smug little prick.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
4. When did he KO Roughouse with one punch I think I read the issue and thats not what happened.
Sorry though I meant Crossbones.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
5. Cap has Kod Thunderball with one punch....hes taken shots from Thors hammer..
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneMoonknight throwing Logan once is not humiliation ina fight...
and got humilated by Moon Knight and a weakened Cap did better than Wolverine did against an injured punisher, got nothing.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Which dont mean a goddamn thing because in that issue or before it Wolverine said this about Caps skills "Even Captain America himself"....it damn well could be argued that Wolverine thought Cap was better.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneOf course that's what you think, cause you're a captain america fanboy who ignores context or reason.
I dont think Mrx or Zaran thought Cap was better but more dangerous.