Originally posted by jinzin
How did you get THAT from my post?I'm fairly certain Cap can win maybe 3 at best...?
When I say vague things like that I'm talking for the majority.
Well actually if you think its not a low showing for Cap to be beaten by a starving and sleep-deprived Wolverine then Wolverine wins 10/10 because obvously if he can do that to Cap in that state then hes obvoulsy miles ahead of Cap in skill.
I can live with 7/10.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well actually if you think its not a low showing for Cap to be beaten by a starving and sleep-deprived Wolverine then Wolverine wins 10/10 because obvously if he can do that to Cap in that state then hes obvoulsy miles ahead of Cap in skill.
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Originally posted by Phantom Zonegood.
I can live with 7/10.
Originally posted by jinzin
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good.
Yeah and.....im still banging on about how you think Wolverine is more skilled than Cap. Obvoulsy if you think Wolverine is more skilled than Cap doesnt even get 3 wins. Not only does he have to beat the HF and adamantuim there is the skill as well.
So is Cap losing to a sleep deprived and starving Wolverine a low showing or not? Yes or No.
I don't think I DO think that Wolverine is "more skilled" than Cap... 😕
I think my argument is and has always been that there's plenty of evidence to suggest that he is, especially when you were ranting about how he wasn't even as skilled back in the day.
What I think is that they're practical equals in the skill department but that Cap uses skill more often because he has to where as Wolverine's a little more careless/lazy because he can afford to be.
No, it's not a low showing. In spite of what you want to believe Wolverine and Cap should be and in fact ARE equals when it comes to h2h combat, every bit of evidence from comics to handbooks and back dictates this to be true. The only advantages either has over the other is Wolverine's HF over Cap and Cap's slight strategical advantage over Wolverine (very slight). They fought to a stalemate in skill, that's how they should be portrayed. Cap lost to a berserker Wolverine who with a delayed HF or not is still beastly.. Really what more do you want kid?
Originally posted by jinzin
I don't think I DO think that Wolverine is "more skilled" than Cap... 😕I think my argument is and has always been that there's plenty of evidence to suggest that he is, especially when you were ranting about how he wasn't even as skilled back in the day.
What I think is that they're practical equals in the skill department but that Cap uses skill more often because he has to where as Wolverine's a little more careless/lazy because he can afford to be.
No, it's not a low showing. In spite of what you want to believe Wolverine and Cap should be and in fact ARE equals when it comes to h2h combat, every bit of evidence from comics to handbooks and back dictates this to be true. The only advantages either has over the other is Wolverine's HF over Cap and Cap's slight strategical advantage over Wolverine (very slight). They fought to a stalemate in skill, that's how they should be portrayed. Cap lost to a berserker Wolverine who with a delayed HF or not is still beastly.. Really what more do you want kid?
Originally posted by jinzin
I don't think I DO think that Wolverine is "more skilled" than Cap... 😕I think my argument is and has always been that there's plenty of evidence to suggest that he is, especially when you were ranting about how he wasn't even as skilled back in the day.
What I think is that they're practical equals in the skill department but that Cap uses skill more often because he has to where as Wolverine's a little more careless/lazy because he can afford to be.
No, it's not a low showing. In spite of what you want to believe Wolverine and Cap should be and in fact ARE equals when it comes to h2h combat, every bit of evidence from comics to handbooks and back dictates this to be true. The only advantages either has over the other is Wolverine's HF over Cap and Cap's slight strategical advantage over Wolverine (very slight). They fought to a stalemate in skill, that's how they should be portrayed. Cap lost to a berserker Wolverine who with a delayed HF or not is still beastly.. Really what more do you want kid?
You edited that post....
Ok so if its not a low showing then how many wins does Cap get against Wolverine without his Hf and Adamantuim pure H2H?
Wolverine lost against a beserker Wolverine who would have been harder to put down because he was beserk.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
What issue title/number is that?
Origins issue 4.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Is that the Origins fight with the sword involved??
Nah thats a fight that Cap had with Wolverine in the early 90s. Wolverine got captured and had the mind of a werewolf. I think an assumption is being made that Wolverines Hf was depleted because he was fighting mind control all night....apparently. 🙄
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Origins issue 4.Nah thats a fight that Cap had with Wolverine in the early 90s. Wolverine got captured and had the mind of a werewolf. I think an assumption is being made that Wolverines Hf was depleted because he was fighting mind control all night....apparently. 🙄
Originally posted by Ha-Son
He still won, right?
Thats not actually the point, what im discussing is skill. The fact that Cap lost to a beserk Wolverine does not prove that Wolverine is more skillful. Cap lost because he could not put down a beserk Wolverine, not because Wolverine was more skillful.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Thats not actually the point, what im discussing is skill. The fact that Cap lost to a beserk Wolverine does not prove that Wolverine is more skillful. Cap lost because he could not put down a beserk Wolverine, not because Wolverine was more skillful.
Originally posted by Ha-Son
Why didn't Cap use his skills to put down a berserk Wolverine?
Er not the point, Wolverine was beserk, wolverine is'nt beserk in this thread.
At any rate he might have actually been able to take him out, he only tried once to KO him and then tried to talking to him thats when Wolverine stunned him.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Er not the point, Wolverine was beserk, wolverine is'nt beserk in this thread.At any rate he might have actually been able to take him out, he only tried once to KO him and then tried to talking to him thats when Wolverine stunned him.
Wolveirne didn't win that fight IIRC.
Logan was about to slash as Cap was about to put his shield in position to block. Then Moonknight put a KO dart in Cap which ended the fight not Logan.
Logan had the "advantage" in the end. That I must say.
Originally posted by Ha-Son
I suppose if he were to sneak up behind Wolverine and bash him after Wolverine had been hit with some sort of blast, then yeah, it could probably work.
Well US Agent, Pip the Troll and Cyclops have done it when Wolverine was not injured.
Yes I can compare Caps punches to Cyclops because Cyclops was not able to stop Grey Hulk, while Cap was able to brefily stun one of the most powerful versions of The Hulk, Professor Hulk.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Wolveirne didn't win that fight IIRC.Logan was about to slash as Cap was about to put his shield in position to block. Then Moonknight put a KO dart in Cap which ended the fight not Logan.
Logan had the "advantage" in the end. That I must say.
Yeah thats true, it did'nt look good for Cap but to be fair we can't count him out he still could have wont it.
edit: Actually looking at the fight again it was far from over! Ive got to stop giving Wolverine fans too much credit.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah thats true, it did'nt look good for Cap but to be fair we can't count him out he still could have wont it.edit: Actually looking at the fight again it was far from over! Ive got to stop giving Wolverine fans too much credit.