Originally posted by King KAM
your right he did beat shang chi with just skill my bad.but he wouldve lost to elektra,cap, he already did lose to DD but would have again,
elektra fought a wolverine who was moments before on life support so that pritty much destroy that feat.
capt again more speculation since Logan recently fought capt when his healing factor was at an extremely low and still capt really did not out fight wolverine at all.
DD beat wolverine in a PIS comic written by ennis and that attack never would have worked.
Wolverine how ever put DD in a full nelson in 5 pannels
so what was your argument again? You said he beats skilled MA off purly healing factor yet he has never defeatted any of the characters you named becuase of healing factor when he was in his right mind.
Originally posted by capt it upsee heres the whole thing... wolverine was moving fine when he faught elektra considering the man later on went to gut some sharks, damn near almost directly after. so yes he was being dominated, he only won because of healing factor.
all speculation.elektra fought a wolverine who was moments before on life support so that pritty much destroy that feat.
capt again more speculation since Logan recently fought capt when his healing factor was at an extremely low and still capt really did not out fight wolverine at all.
DD beat wolverine in a PIS comic written by ennis and that attack never would have worked.
Wolverine how ever put DD in a full nelson in 5 pannels
so what was your argument again? You said he beats skilled MA off purly healing factor yet he has never defeatted any of the characters you named becuase of healing factor when he was in his right mind.
cap knocked him through a jeep, and the last fight he crushed the tendons in his wrist, both times wolverines healing factor helped him tons, well that and the adamantium skeleton.
he puts DD in a full nelson, DD also shoves a stick down his throat.
fact of the matter is, wolverine wins rarely do to skill but i WILL give him the hematoma thing on cap, that was pretty sweet, even though i seriously doubt that if he wasnt so used to pain after all those years of well...being put through hellish injuries, for the better part of a century, that when someone crushes all the tendons in both your wrists you dont have the strength to kick him in the leg, and instead you roll around in pain.
wolverine is tough, and a great fighter, but sans shang-chi and the iron fist guy, he makes a living off his healing factor, whether your willing to admit it or not.
Originally posted by capt it up
That makes literally no sense. Just becuase your taken to the future does not mean you get all those years of experience.firts you have to live all those years out which I doubt capt did and if he did how is he sitll so young?
Ok let me explain again. Cap chased Korvac into the future. Everytime Cap attempted to defeat Korvac, Korvac would reverse time and let Captain America REMEMBER, what happened. This happened hundreds of times in one incidnet i think it took him 20 years.
OK so whats hundreds of times....500. Lets estimate how many years it took for Cap to come up with a plan in one incident. You know in one example it took 20 years, so hell im gonna give an average of 10. That could be 5000 years of experience at any rate it easily exceeds 1000 years.
Actually I just read the comic again he said he spent the last half century planing to defeat Korvac....thats 50 years and thats only one incident. Just that one incident alone gives him well over a 1000 years expereience 50 X500 = 25000
Originally posted by Kazenji
I can't be ****ed going through 81 pages of this thread, But i know wolverine was basically beating Capt america in the wolverine origin series. Sure the capt still getting in a few moves but not like they were doing much to wolverine.
[B][quote=King KAM]re-read it
Don't need to fanboy, I know what i saw and that was Captain america losing to wolverine face the music
Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok let me explain again. Cap chased Korvac into the future. Everytime Cap attempted to defeat Korvac, Korvac would reverse time and let Captain America REMEMBER, what happened. This happened hundreds of times in one incidnet i think it took him 20 years.OK so whats hundreds of times....500. Lets estimate how many years it took for Cap to come up with a plan in one incident. You know in one example it took 20 years, so hell im gonna give an average of 10. That could be 5000 years of experience at any rate it easily exceeds 1000 years.
Actually I just read the comic again he said he spent the last half century planing to defeat Korvac....thats 50 years and thats only one incident. Just that one incident alone gives him well over a 1000 years expereience 50 X500 = 25000
what issues are these again? I really like to read these issues my self I have a feeling it not truelly as you say. That be great if you could give me the issue numbers
Originally posted by Alfheim
Actually I just read the comic again he said he spent the last half century planing to defeat Korvac....thats 50 years and thats only one incident. Just that one incident alone gives him well over a 1000 years expereience 50 X500 = 25000
Actually that doesnt add up but if just one incident was just 50 years then you can imagine how many years the reboots would add up to. I think the average for the reboots could be 25. Especially since Cap will probably spend just as much time or even more planning next time.
Alos saying that Ogun is over 100 years old implies that he is 1200 or 1500, you add up Caps reboots thats well over that number.
25 X 500= 12 500
Originally posted by capt it up
what issues are these again? I really like to read these issues my self I have a feeling it not truelly as you say. That be great if you could give me the issue numbers
Well look at the scan and see for yourself. I have also got another scan in the Cap respect thread relating to that issue.
You just cant take it that Cap has more expreince
Read it and weep.
http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capintegritytr4.jpg
He battled Korvac hundreds of times, he also rembered all his battles. Hell Cap probably has as much experience as an Asagardian.
Its voluome 3 no 18 and 19.... go and try and nitpick.
Originally posted by King KAM
see heres the whole thing... wolverine was moving fine when he faught elektra considering the man later on went to gut some sharks, damn near almost directly after.
Originally posted by King KAM
so yes he was being dominated, he only won because of healing factor.
Originally posted by King KAM
cap knocked him through a jeep,
Originally posted by King KAM
and the last fight he crushed the tendons in his wrist, both times wolverines healing factor helped him tons, well that and the adamantium skeleton.
Originally posted by King KAM
he puts DD in a full nelson, DD also shoves a stick down his throat.
Originally posted by King KAM
fact of the matter is, wolverine wins rarely do to skill
Originally posted by King KAM
but i WILL give him the hematoma thing on cap, that was pretty sweet, even though i seriously doubt that if he wasnt so used to pain after all those years of well...being put through hellish injuries, for the better part of a century, that when someone crushes all the tendons in both your wrists you dont have the strength to kick him in the leg, and instead you roll around in pain.
Originally posted by King KAM
wolverine is tough, and a great fighter, but sans shang-chi and the iron fist guy, he makes a living off his healing factor, whether your willing to admit it or not.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well look at the scan and see for yourself. I have also got another scan in the Cap respect thread relating to that issue.You just cant take it that Cap has more expreince
Read it and weep.
http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capintegritytr4.jpg
He battled Korvac hundreds of times, he also rembered all his battles. Hell Cap probably has as much experience as an Asagardian.
Its voluome 3 no 18 and 19.... go and try and nitpick.
can't take what?
read what in weep? Are you trying to imply capts battle took 50 years every single fight? How the hell did capt fight him for 50 years?
It said capts defeat that would imply when capt got defeated. He remeber every time he got defeated not every year just when he got beat in there fight. So really I am not sure how this equates in 12,00 years
so it volume 3 you say and issue 18 and 19?
Originally posted by Nikkolas
Well...seeing as those hits tend to flatten Wolverine and even blows from the Thing can KO him...Cap's Shield > Adamantium, launched missiles and hammer throws from Thor.
I'm pretty sure it can KO Wolverine.
such as in
issue hulk 145
hulk 340
Hulk vs Wolverine # 8
as well as many others
Thing has KOed logan once and logan was messed up when he did it not to mention it was a rather low showing and thing has never done it again.
Also things hits are many many many many times more powerful then any hit capt can dish out
also capts shield is no harder then wolverines adamatium.
Originally posted by capt it up
can't take what?read what in weep? Are you trying to imply capts battle took 50 years every single fight? How the hell did capt fight him for 50 years?
In one incident it took him 50 years planning the attack. that planning would invole training himself, training others and improving his strategy.
No thats just one incident, but knowing Caps personality he would do the same thing again. From what I can remember another incident took something like 10 or 20 years. At any rate Cap would have spent alot of time planning.
Originally posted by capt it up
It said capts defeat that would imply when capt got defeated. He remeber every time he got defeated not every year just when he got beat in there fight.
No he remembered everything, not just the deafeat but everything leading up to it. The whole point is that Korvac was trying to wear him down.
Originally posted by capt it up
So really I am not sure how this equates in 12,00 years
Bro Cap was sent back in hundreds of times. Whats hundres of times? 200 is too low, 800 is too high....500 is an average figure. Baring in mind one instance took 50 years and knowing Caps personality (Cap is tactical and likes to plan), we could put each instance at an average of 10 years. 500 x 100 = 5000 years experience.
Originally posted by capt it up
so it volume 3 you say and issue 18 and 19?
Yeah. Issue 18 is where it actually happens. Issue 19 only refers to it.
little hard to plan when you got adamantium claws being thrusted into your face.
I realize everyone goes through power ups and bios might not always be up-to-date. Very first paragraph of Wolverines skills and personality states that he possesses sufficient skill to beat the likes of Shang-Chi and Captain America.
Ive serveral books with them going against each other....ends up being the same , Capt. America talks sense into Wolverine to stop fighting.
Wolverine has always had superior fighting skills and endurance. Writers and artists wont have them fighting for more than half dozen panels before wolverine gets talked out of it. Wolverine for Prom Queen!!!
Originally posted by capt it upi dont care anymore.
That so how makes him ok? He was on life support moments before. Hmm appearing to be moving fine means nothing when it a fact he was not even close to a 100 percent and was in terriable shape not to mention mind controlled.You mean a wolverine who was mind controlled and had just been on life support moments before not to mention the fact she used the shield soldiers as a way to take logan down by attack him from behind while he was engaged. So no this is rather a pathetic example.
You mean the time he had the mind of a were wolf and still one the fight? That a pretty bad example since capt still lost even though logan had the mind of a wolf.
Help him dones? His tendons did not even heal how did his healing factor help him? The dam healing factor was running on practically empty by the time he had started to fight capt. Hell Logan healing factor was all but useless in the fight and yet still capt lost.
When has dd ever shoved a stick down wolverines throat?
False. Vs martial artist he always pretty much wins due to skill as well as most all of his rouges. Your only example is a mind controlled logan who was pretty much dead and a were wolf minded logan.
If some on crushed your tendons that in no way effects your legg strength.
Not vs MA. Hell your only evidence is times when logan not in his right mind and haft dead.
wolverine breathes off the healing factor, take that and the skull and he'd be somebodys *****. but i dont care anymore. let this thread die, wolverine by the day becomes more rediculous, and his book just keeps getting worse, since enemy of the state his book has been downhill
