Captain America vs. Wolverine · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Alfheim Junior Member

Originally posted by capt it up
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Actually im going to today. I was going to yesterday but I was feeling a bit sick. Sorry it does look shifty.

Alfheim Junior Member

Originally posted by capt it up
So your plain lazy is that it?
Lol it PIS? How is it PIS. Your ridiculous. It PIS because poor old capt got a blood clot and you did not like that a guy with superior abilities and experience gave him one.
That’s too bad for you, but it was not PIS.

To sum it up alot of people including jinzin (eventhough he doesnt think its PIS) think that Origins is crappy writing. I think its PIS because Wolverine should not beat Cap like that. Wolverine had been starving and awake for days he is not outsmarting cap like that esepcially since even when he has at full potential he does not show caps smarts.

Originally posted by capt it up

Also how about when Logan defeat Capt in MAN AND WOLF PART 3 of 6 CAPTAIN AMERICA issue 404:.

That was a moe realistic fight, but anyway Cap was trying to reason with him. In a forum fight he would not ahve done this and would not have got head butted.

Originally posted by capt it up

Really now? Even though there is no proof of this you are going to state it as a fact? Please I love to see how you came to this conclusion when Logan is extremely bright and knows some thing like 12 different languages

Hes 200 years old and he travels alot plenty of time for above average smarts person to learn 12 languages.

Originally posted by capt it up

But the fact is he not. You can not prove he is and yet you state it as a fact which it is not. The fact is capt not the better fighter.
You know what is fact? Wolverine experience dwarf’s that of Capt.

Just because your older does not mean you are the better fighter. For starters Cap seems to train more regularly than Wolverine does....but im not sure. At any rate when Wolverine stops himself from being chucked miles by The Wrecker and get hit in the nuts from The Punisher then he gets to be a better fighter. Sure Wolverine is more durable but he has some really sloppy showings which people like Cap never show.

Originally posted by capt it up

No he not. If any thing Logan is the faster of the two actually Logan is the faster of the two.

Lasers zero gravity, when he does something similar then Wolverine is faster...I have already explained why its possible.

Originally posted by capt it up

Yes he is and your point being? How does that even matter in a fight?

I saw what you wrote below.

Originally posted by capt it up

That is actually possibly the worst example ever. Not only did wolverine say Capt should not lead, but he did not even listen to Capt.

So your going to ignore the rest of the series when he decided to take orders from him in the end. Hell Wolverine doesnt even take orders from Prof X all the time so that dont mean jack.

Originally posted by capt it up

Unless Wolverine just does not like leading which has been made clear through the year’s if you actually read x-men or wolverine you know this. Scot has asked him to lead x-men team’s on many occasion’s and Logan ahs simply said no that he does not like to lead. Logan said no to alpha Flight as well and even to Prof. x. So it not that Wolverine does not think he is the better leader it the fact he does not wish to lead.

Well ok good points.

Originally posted by capt it up

Has wolverine ever been dumb enough to get caught in a device created by an alien shapeshifter? No I would think not.

Ok that statement is stupid. So because Cap got caught means that hes tupid, eventhough Caps intelligence is extremely high. Wolverine has obvously been captured before has he got out of something as complicated as a device created for shape shifters? Answer the questions.

Originally posted by capt it up

Again there really no evidence to support your claims.

Well if you answer the question that could help.

Originally posted by capt it up

No he really is not.

Already explained.

Originally posted by capt it up

So now every time capt has problem’s or loses it PIS?

No its PIS because Cap is supposed to know every martial art and that would include ninjuitsu and he is one of the worlds greatest combatants so he should not be having problems with ninjas.

Originally posted by capt it up

They can not even confirm that he has superhuman senses how are they suppose to know that he has any other abilities?

Meh.....that mgiht because its Iron Fist in disguise........

Originally posted by capt it up

Not to mention hand book’s are not very good sources of information.

You know what your right, but if they confirm whats in the comics then I think its ok.

Jyppe PM me for nudes ;)

Capt, was the Weapon-X novel you keep talking about written by a comic book writer?

Alfheim Junior Member

Originally posted by capt it up
“Pinnacle of Human Perfection” which means peak human.

It also says enhanced human at the bottom of the card....

Originally posted by capt it up

They even listed freaking falcon as enhanced human so whoopy Capt.

Somebody sais thats because he can control falcons.

Originally posted by capt it up

Also if you ant go by hand book’s then your debate is over. Logan is listed over Capt in pretty much every area.

Well as you saw earlier I agreed with your points with handbooks being crap. In all fairness DD should not be listed as Athelete.

Originally posted by capt it up

Shield also said that Blade would be there ebst bet to take Logan in and that did not work out for them did it.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by capt it up

When has Capt ever handled DD? I recall him losing to DD.

Streets of poison Cap kicked his ass. Apparently DD was rusty though. I think DD beat Cap ages ago in one panel....yeah right

Originally posted by capt it up

If Wolverine was better then Capt then why would Wolverine not be better then Capt now? Seeing as how Capt spent 40 or so year’s frozen while Wolverine kept fighting and increasing his skills and power’s making him even better then before while Capt simply stayed the same. Not to mention Weapon-x also improved Logan even more soo…….by that Logic if Logan was better then Capt before he would be vastly superior now.

Wolverine doesnt train all the time like Cap does he? Cap has caught up with him....at any rate he has sloppy showings which Cap never has.

Originally posted by capt it up

As I recalled he punch wolverine.

He also threw him im pretty sure......

Originally posted by capt it up

Also spiderman was the one who got thrown so by your logic

What are you refering to. Spiderman getting chucked by The Wrecker?

Originally posted by capt it up

Capt is the superior dodger to spiderman? Also did not the wrecker almost kill Capt until She-hulk saved him one time?

That might be the case but Cap has beaten him on his own before, at any rate even if he needed help it not because he allowed himself to get thrown for miles.

Originally posted by capt it up

How does jumping out of a plane with a PARACHUTE allow some one to survive a class 100 hit?

Im refering to being thrown in the air very high......

Originally posted by capt it up

Ya written by Ennis the same man who had punisher defeat Hulk. Not to mention he had Punisher defeating spiderman, DD and wolverine at ounce. So you were saying?

Thats unlikey what were the circumstances, was he preped?

Originally posted by capt it up

So does a lot of people on this forum.

Ok.

Originally posted by capt it up

That feat does not even make senses and would be impossible and I have already given the reason’s why.

Your explanation sucked.....pay attention....comic book physics are different from real world physics. If you travel at the speed of light or faster you should time travel SS does this frequently but never time travels. It should be physically impossible to hurt The Hulk as well Stop picking and choosing your logic.

Originally posted by capt it up

Not to mention Logan never been fired at with laser in Zero gravity.

Well until you get something close to that then hes not as fast.

Originally posted by capt it up

Yet Capt only showed to use one style most of the time. Not to mention what jinzin meant was Logan thought these people could kill him in one blow, but no they really could not. That was also back before he new he had a superhuman healing factor.

OK

Originally posted by capt it up

You can think it all you want, won’t make it true.

Ive gioven my raesons.

Daredevil1 Senior Member

“Pinnacle of Human Perfection” which means peak human.

Yes or peak of human potential. By no means is Logan stronger or faster then Cap especially going by there respective feats there practically equalls in this regard. With Logan healing way better and Cap being more skilled in hand to hand combat, since Cap's mind is enhanced. Logan's is not to my knowledge.

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by Alfheim
To sum it up alot of people including jinzin (eventhough he doesnt think its PIS) think that Origins is crappy writing.

I never recall Jinzin saying that. I actually remember him saying that fight was well done. Does it matter though? Because the fact of the matter is it was not PIS and there was nothing PIS about it.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I think its PIS because Wolverine should not beat Cap like that.

You just think it PIS because Capt got beat. There was nothing PIS about it.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Wolverine had been starving and awake for days he is not outsmarting cap like that

He out fought Capt. Why could wolverine not out smart Capt? By having wolverine in such a bad way actually made it a good fight. If Logan was at 100% there really nothing Capt could due to him.

Originally posted by Alfheim
esepcially since even when he has at full potential he does not show caps smarts.

You keep saying this, but you have no prove. Logan incredibly smart and is more then likely as smart as Capt.

Originally posted by Alfheim
That was a moe realistic fight, but anyway Cap was trying to reason with him.

What are you talking about? Capt even states he hit Logan as hard as he could.

Originally posted by Alfheim
In a forum fight he would not ahve done this and would not have got head butted.

Not true at all buddy. How would he have no gotten head butted? It not like he had any choice in the matter.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Hes 200 years old and he travels alot plenty of time for above average smarts person to learn 12 languages.

Not really since he fluent in the languages. He never studies the languages like other people he simply pick’s up them with ease. Wolverine is extremely smart to be able to do this. How many languages does Capt know? One maybe 2.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Just because your older does not mean you are the better fighter.

No, but having far more experience dam well help’s a lot. Not to mention by your Logic you said Logan was better in WW2 which mean’s he Be much better now.

Originally posted by Alfheim
For starters Cap seems to train more regularly than Wolverine does

Say’s the man who does not read Wolverine. Wolverine run’s more missions then Capt does. When Wolverine is not running mission’s for the X-men or the Avenger’s or For Nick Fury or For him self he is found spending constant time in the Danger room Train. He once spent a week straight of non stop combat in the danger room.

Originally posted by Alfheim
At any rate when Wolverine stops himself from being chucked miles by The Wrecker

Wrecker a heavy hitter. There no use using skill’s vs him. Also how about you not be such a hypocrite? Capt almost got killed by a 40 ton wrecker and got his but saved by She Hulk. AT least the Wrecker Logan vs. was a 100 ton’s and far more powerful.

Originally posted by Alfheim
and get hit in the nuts from The Punisher

Ya sweet use an Ennis comic nice evidence man. Even Though Ennis wrote Punisher defeating DD, Wolverine and Spiderman at once.

Originally posted by Alfheim
then he gets to be a better fighter.

In your opinion which mean squat sicne the evidence say’s Capt been beat Twice by Logan already.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Sure Wolverine is more durable but he has some really sloppy showings which people like Cap never show.

Sloppy? You mean vs power houses which Capt could never hope to match in combat? Look at Logan vs martial artist’s and he show’s him self how good he really is.

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by Alfheim
Lasers zero gravity, when he does something similar then Wolverine is faster...I have already explained why its possible.

No you have not. It impossible. Capt be moving at the same speed as any one his own weight which would mean any one Capt’s weight or heavier can dodge laser in zero gravity.

Originally posted by Alfheim
So your going to ignore the rest of the series when he decided to take orders from him in the end.

I am no ignoring any thing. Logan did not listen to Capt, hell Logan did not even listen to Scot.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well ok good points.

Thank You.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok that statement is stupid. So because Cap got caught means that hes tupid, eventhough Caps intelligence is extremely high.

So is Wolverine and yet for some odd reason you think Capt way smarter.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Wolverine has obvously been captured before has he got out of something as complicated as a device created for shape shifters? Answer the questions.

He never been Put in a device like that as I have already stated. Wolverine is normally Chained up and drugged heavily.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well if you answer the question that could help.

How can I answer a question to some thing that never happen to Wolverine?

Also you feat is not that impressive it mean’s nothing in a fight and is just plain dumb to bring up.

Already explained.

Originally posted by Alfheim
No its PIS because Cap is supposed to know every martial art and that would include ninjuitsu and he is one of the worlds greatest combatants so he should not be having problems with ninjas.

Yet it never been stated in a comic. He been stated to have been trained by the militaries best that hardly mean’s every single style on the planet. Also he him self stated he did not know the style they were using. Why would he know the style of an ancient city that has been forgotten? He no evil there no reason’s he wish to learn it.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Meh.....that mgiht because its Iron Fist in disguise........

And yet IF has superhuman agility and Reflexes due to chi.

Originally posted by Alfheim
You know what your right, but if they confirm whats in the comics then I think its ok.

Yet most of what you been using do not even go with the comic’s.

Originally posted by Alfheim
It also says enhanced human at the bottom of the card....

Ya enhanced to Peak human level’s as Capt is always and will always be listed.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Somebody sais thats because he can control falcons.

No he can only talk to his falcon.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well as you saw earlier I agreed with your points with handbooks being crap. In all fairness DD should not be listed as Athelete.

Yup.

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by Alfheim
Streets of poison Cap kicked his ass.

What issue?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Apparently DD was rusty though.

So Capt beat a DD who was clearly not 100%?

Originally posted by Alfheim
I think DD beat Cap ages ago in one panel....yeah right

No it took three I think.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Wolverine doesnt train all the time like Cap does he?

Yes he does if not more so. He also run’s more mission’s then Capt. Hell Wolverine was spent a week of non stop combat in the danger room.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Cap has caught up with him

How? How could Capt catch up to a man who was already his superior when that man had 40 years of training and experience for him self to get better while Capt stayed frozen?

Originally posted by Alfheim
....at any rate he has sloppy showings which Cap never has.

Vs martial artist’s? No I think not unless you wish to use Ennis written comic’s.

Originally posted by Alfheim
He also threw him im pretty sure......

I don’t think soo.

Originally posted by Alfheim
What are you refering to. Spiderman getting chucked by The Wrecker?

Yup.

Originally posted by Alfheim
That might be the case but Cap has beaten him on his own before, at any rate even if he needed help it not because he allowed himself to get thrown for miles.

No Capt just allowed him self to be bea into the ground to the point were his shield was the only thing saving him from certain death. He was helpless and She Hulk saved him and that was 40 ton wrecker not 100 ton wrecker.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Im refering to being thrown in the air very high......

That does not even make sense.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Thats unlikey what were the circumstances, was he preped?

I assure you it happen. See how bad using Ennis comic’s are?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Your explanation sucked

Why because I not a an idiot fan boy?

Originally posted by Alfheim
comic book physics are different from real world physics. If you travel at the speed of light or faster you should time travel SS does this frequently but never time travels. It should be physically impossible to hurt The Hulk as well Stop picking and choosing your logic. [/B]

So by your logic Capt can move as easily in zero gravity as he can on earth which would make that feat not impressive at all.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well until you get something close to that then hes not as fast.

You your self said it does not work like it does in the real world which mean’s it not impressive since Capt is able to move just like he can on earth so that would make that feat OK nothing overly impressive. If we used real logic that be impossible since he be unable to move any faster then any other person his weight.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ive gioven my raesons.

Which sucked by the way.

Jade Lightning Senior Member

Cap really can't handle Wolverine.

Even if you took away his healing factor and claws, it would probably be something of an even fight, but if you took Cap's shield away, it would be Wolverine's win even then...

Wudenko Restricted

Lets say it this way...

Martial Arts skills:
Pretty even, but Cap should be superior

Strenght:
Depending on which Cap it is, but mostly even

Speed:
Wolverine wins. See hwo he jumped around Hulk and showed great speed and agility

So, psysically, they are pretty even, with Wolverine being faster. Then comes Caps last resource... The shield. Cap fanboys, DONT SAY THE SHIELD CAN KNOCK OUT WOLVERINE. wolverine wasnt knocked out by Hulks punches. And the damage it deals disappears a few seconds after Wolveirne takes it. Cap, through, have no healing factor. Wolverine would soon hit him with the claws and the fight would be over.

The fight would be short with Wolveirne as the victor.

As this is pretty much a spitethread that pits Cap against odds that even HE cant take, i takes this to my victoryrecordlist😉

LORDSIDIOUS01 The BatLord of the Jedi

Originally posted by Wudenko
Lets say it this way...
Martial Arts skills:
Pretty even, but Cap should be superior
Strenght:
Depending on which Cap it is, but mostly even
Speed:
Wolverine wins. See hwo he jumped around Hulk and showed great speed and agility
So, psysically, they are pretty even, with Wolverine being faster. Then comes Caps last resource... The shield. Cap fanboys, DONT SAY THE SHIELD CAN KNOCK OUT WOLVERINE. wolverine wasnt knocked out by Hulks punches. And the damage it deals disappears a few seconds after Wolveirne takes it. Cap, through, have no healing factor. Wolverine would soon hit him with the claws and the fight would be over.
The fight would be short with Wolveirne as the victor.
As this is pretty much a spitethread that pits Cap against odds that even HE cant take, i takes this to my victoryrecordlist😉

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Sidious says Wolverine and Cap go back years. Wolverine is a better fighter. Meh

willRules 4 8 15 16 23 42

I personally think Cap is a slightly better fighter, although Wolverine probably has a tiny bit more experience, I think(?) when did Wolverine begin training, was it pre or post world war 1?

Alfheim Junior Member

Originally posted by willRules
I personally think Cap is a slightly better fighter, although Wolverine probably has a tiny bit more experience, I think(?) when did Wolverine begin training, was it pre or post world war 1?

Cap was sent back into time hundreds of times by Korvac, so no Cap now has mots more tactical expreince than Wolverine, hell that would make him as expreinced as Thor maybe because each time he was sent back it would take at least sevarl years planning.

willRules 4 8 15 16 23 42

Cool, I never really got into the Korvac saga, I nearly bought some reprints, was it any good?

chaks Junior Member

id say wolvie takes it.
why is capt considered the better fighter when they are both most likly equal or wolvie probs being better due to experiance, capt was frozen so it didnt seem like a long time for him so it seem fresh, its not "catching up".
strength id put that even and maybe speed and agility, however with logans incresed senses it could help benefit him in a battle, attacks from behind .etc
then there the fact capts more tactical, ill give him that but it wouldnt be by alot logans been in plenty of battles, and due to the two fighting with and against each other numerous times capt being tactical could give wolverine the edge, logan knowing how capt thinks he could randomize a chance hecould afford with his HF.
capts got the sheild and strengh but logans got strength and claws, all he needs to do is evade the sheild capts protecting himself with and its practically over from there. capt can heal but not that well.

itll be a good fight but logans claws senses and rage are what would give it him. thinking tactical when you dont know whats coming next can be a real hassle.

horrorwolf Incarnation of Infinity

Fighting ability: Close but Wolverine gets the slight egde, but when you consider Wolvie is far deadlier when he does connect... he gets the huge advantage here.

Agility would go to Captain (training in acrobatics and tumbling), plus he isnt lugging around an adamantium skeleton.

Capt is stronger, but Wolverine has much more killer instinct without having to "think"

Durability - Wolverine pwns here 100%. An adamantium laced skeleton and healing keep him in the the fight longer tilting endurance to his favor.

Thus, Wolverine takes this 9/10.

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by Alfheim
Cap was sent back into time hundreds of times by Korvac, so no Cap now has mots more tactical expreince than Wolverine, hell that would make him as expreinced as Thor maybe because each time he was sent back it would take at least sevarl years planning.

That makes literally no sense. Just becuase your taken to the future does not mean you get all those years of experience.

firts you have to live all those years out which I doubt capt did and if he did how is he sitll so young?

Logan has over a 1000 years of experience in tactics as well as martial art's

horrorwolf your out come I agree with however a lot of what you said is false.

Apolloknight Your rule is at an end

Originally posted by capt it up

Logan has over a 1000 years of experience in tactics as well as martial art's

Over a thousands years, Holy shit!? How the hell did that happen.

Serious question.

I dont know, or never have really cared for wolverines history.

How did 1000 years happen!?

jasonk3 Restricted

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Over a thousands years, Holy shit!? How the hell did that happen.
Serious question.
I dont know, or never have really cared for wolverines history.
How did 1000 years happen!?

😕 I think he means over a 100 years of experience.

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Over a thousands years, Holy shit!? How the hell did that happen.
Serious question.
I dont know, or never have really cared for wolverines history.
How did 1000 years happen!?

ogun imprinted his knowledge onto Logan which is a well known ability of Oguns and Ogun was over a 1000 years of combat experience not to mention he stole countless peoples experience and martial art skills.

So really it be over a 1000 years, but I rather just say a 1000