Originally posted by Alfheim
Hell it even seems to me that also when it comes to Wolverine verything is acceptable. Wolverine threatens Namor therefore Wolverine assumes that hes not going to fight back, its not because Wolverine wasnt fast enough to dodge the punch its because he wasnt expecting it.
It IS because he wasn't... Likewise, Namor getting punched by Wolverine is because he wasn't expecting it right?
See how that double standard works?
Wolverine clearly threatened Namor before he had his claws at Namor's head, then he went for the fake stirke, had he not stopped we would have been treated to filleted fish man.. I suppose that's because Namor's not fast enough right?
Or perhaps because he wasn't honestly expecting Logan to attack..
Logan's a government spook, he USES SCARE TACTICS... sometimes they don't work, it doesn't mean he's always looking for a fight.
Like Wonderman, Wolverine threatened to chop his arm off if Simon didn't let him go, Simon stood firm, Wolverine smiled and commented that Simon had some balls on him then they talked...
Wolverine had his claws right at prof X face... one slip and "Chuck" was dead, didn't mean he was looking for a kill.
It's really simple.. Logan wanted Namor gone, he was prepared to fight Namor if he needed to, but he didn't resort to violence first, instead, Namor STARTED the fight, Logan was ready for a fight, but not ready for the first punch...
especially coming from an "ally".
You put both characters in a situation where Logan's ready to resort to physical viloence off the bat and Namor gets aced in 5 minutes guaranteed.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Furthermore if any one is completely honest if theres a fight with Wolverine and Cap. Cap should be able to out strategise Wolverine and not the other way round like in Origins.
There was no damned out strategizing... Again, explain yourself.. you keep saying that Wolverine out thought Cap, Wolverine just did what he always does and kicked Cap's ass... so what?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Every man and his dog knows its bad writing hell even a review said that Wolevrine and Cap were acting out of character.
Ah so because a FAN review said so, that makes it so?
As long as it's in tune to your OPINION huh?
Cause no matter how many "fans" say that cap loses this fight... here you are... 😐
Cause when MARVEL says that Wolverine and Cap are equals in combat, or hell, that Wolverine is Cap's SUPERIOR, that doesn't count, or it's bad writing or PIS... right?
It's double standard bullshit Alf, that's all it is.
Explain how either hero acted out of character..
Wolverine was being badass and hostile, Cap was being controlling and "knowing what's best for everybody", seems like it was in character to me, and lets keep in mind that I've been reading more comics from either of these guys than you have, I oughta know.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Its an absolute disgrace that a starving and tired Wolverine can out think Cap at his peak. We all know what hunger and lack of sleep does to your thinking and performance how does Wolverine manage to do that to somebody who is better at strategy and is not tired?
Do what? Beat Cap with skills that he doesn't have according to you?
Oh I dunno, maybe it had something to do with the fact that Wolverine ragained all his memories, including every mission and bit of training he's ever had before he fought Cap, maybe it has something to do with the fact that Wolverine knows the darker side to the inner workings of the givernment better than cap does, maybe it has to do with the fact that Wolverine didn't out think Cap, he just fought him to a stalemate and his superhuman qualities owned Cap where it counts (in healing)...
Originally posted by Alfheim
Hell with Caps experience he could have forseen it.
Again, be specific here: what the hell are you talking about?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Hell since every Wolverine feat is acceptable im pulling Cap being able to hurt Korvac and KOing hulk. I'll give Wolverine the majority when people start being more reasonable.
Well start with yourself then, you claim that Wolverine's less skilled when logic, stats and history dictate otherwise.
You've basically claimed that Wolverine doesn't practice his skills in spite of MULTITUDES of stories displaying the opposite.
You dictated that Cap could KO Logan even though Logan's KO count against BRICK fighters is staggeringly low compared to his number of sheer fights with them.. legit KO's; even worse.
You keep saying that the Origins fight is bad writing and that Wolverine outstrategized and out-thought Steve, but you NEVER explain how so.
Now you want to use that Loeb induced stupidity of Cap KOing Hulk regardless of the fact that it's 1) with Spidey help. 2) off panel for the most part. And 3) clearly insulting to Hulk when you consider HULKS ENTIRE HISTORY vs. Steve's only options of attack?
Okay.. how about this then: Let's use the Wolverine who killed multitudes of super guardian elite from the Shi'ar empire (soldiers who were capible of leveling a city by themselves), a feat that phoenixes of the past have failed to accomplish.
or Wolverine that fought Gladiator for six days straight.
Knocked out Hulk with BONE CLAWS.
Cut through Thanos with BONE CLAWS.
Killed Silver Surfer.
or destroyed his entire team of X-men in the Astral Plain...
Cap's good, Wolverine's better.
Logan knows it, Steve knows it, Zartan knows it, SHIELD knows it, Mr. X knows it, Mr. T knows it, hell, everybody knows it!