Originally posted by Caps Conscience
OOOHHH gay lover your the witiest poster on the net can't get anything past you. I bet you pick your nose in public. lol What a 😆 dweeb.
I don;t pick my nose at all, but clearly you do since your stament says in public which leads me to believe you enjoy gold digging in the confort of your home. Do you eat it after you pick it? I bet you do.
So as it stands you are master Bruce or his gay lover either way your an idiot.
You have no evidence
You have no debating abiltiy.
You have no real arguement
So wolverine wins the vast majority.
It's all up to the writers, correct? And I think Marvel as made an effort to make these characters appear equal. They have wanted to stay true to Cap as an icon ( alot of patriotism there) ensuring he been seen as the best fighter; but also they want to protect Wolverine's intense popularity.
They have comparible training and experience - Wolverine's strikes me as a little better- Samurai skill and coolness with savage intent (and he 's almost got a handle on that beserker thing) and Wolverine's healing factor far out ways Cap's. But Cap is the American Ideal. If forced to write an episode where in they have a definative winner, American company Marvel will not have Canadian Wolverine kick Cap's Yankee ass. Winner Captain America.
Originally posted by Soljer
I could see Captain America taking two wins, at the most.And even that pushes it.
Wolverine IS Captain America, minus the shield, minus twelve inches (leave the phallus jokes at home, kiddos), plus adamantium, a healing factor, and VERY lethal weapons.
Captain America really doesn't hold any advantage in this fight. Imagining him drawing Logan is asinine.
I think for starters Cap is better at strategy but Wolverine is no moron. In general Cap still shows more skill. Cap in the dying body of the red skull has made Goliaths whole body go numb with one finger, dodged a blast from yellowjacket and the laid him flat on his back. I dont think Wolverine has a comparable feat. Apparently Wolverine fought Bloodscream and Roughouse while dying, I havnet read the issue but I read info concerning it and there is no indication that he was dying. So it seems but I could be wrong that somebody could possibly be lying or exaggerrating. Wolverine has skill but compared to DD and Cap its less. Just look at this:
http://img15.photobucket.com/albums...y/wolvieII1.jpg
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Hell we all know that from this fight Wolverine would be dead if it wasnt for his healing factor and adamantuim. How is it somebody who relies on healing factor and adamantuim gets to have more skill than top tier fighters who use skill 100 percent of the time? Dont you need to practice skill in order to have it?
Hell it even seems to me that also when it comes to Wolverine verything is acceptable. Wolverine threatens Namor therefore Wolverine assumes that hes not going to fight back, its not because Wolverine wasnt fast enough to dodge the punch its because he wasnt expecting it.
Furthermore if any one is completely honest if theres a fight with Wolverine and Cap. Cap should be able to out strategise Wolverine and not the other way round like in Origins. Every man and his dog knows its bad writing hell even a review said that Wolevrine and Cap were acting out of character. Its an absolute disgrace that a starving and tired Wolverine can out think Cap at his peak. We all know what hunger and lack of sleep does to your thinking and performance how does Wolverine manage to do that to somebody who is better at strategy and is not tired? Hell with Caps experience he could have forseen it.
Hell since every Wolverine feat is acceptable im pulling Cap being able to hurt Korvac and KOing hulk. I'll give Wolverine the majority when people start being more reasonable.
Originally posted by Alfheim
I think for starters Cap is better at strategy but Wolverine is no moron.
Strategy comes into play when leading a team or fighting many foes at once, but it does not come that much into play when fighting one opponent in melee combat.
Instinct and skill is far more important. You may go into a fight with a game plan, but once it starts it pure instinct and skill that takes over.
Originally posted by Alfheim
In general Cap still shows more skill.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Cap in the dying body of the red skull has made Goliaths whole body go numb with one finger,
Originally posted by Alfheim
dodged a blast from yellowjacket
Originally posted by Alfheim
and the laid him flat on his back.
Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont think Wolverine has a comparable feat.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Apparently Wolverine fought Bloodscream and Roughouse while dying, I havnet read the issue but I read info concerning it and there is no indication that he was dying. So it seems but I could be wrong that somebody could possibly be lying or exaggerrating.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Wolverine has skill but compared to DD and Cap its less.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Just look at this:http://img15.photobucket.com/albums...y/wolvieII1.jpg
http://img15.photobucket.com/albums...y/wolvieII2.jpg
http://img15.photobucket.com/albums...y/wolvieII3.jpg
http://img15.photobucket.com/albums...y/wolvieII4.jpg
http://img15.photobucket.com/albums...y/wolvieII5.jpg
http://img15.photobucket.com/albums...y/wolvieII6.jpg
http://img15.photobucket.com/albums...y/wolvieII7.jpgHell we all know that from this fight Wolverine would be dead if it wasnt for his healing factor and adamantuim.
Originally posted by Alfheim
How is it somebody who relies on healing factor and adamantuim gets to have more skill than top tier fighters who use skill 100 percent of the time?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Dont you need to practice skill in order to have it?
Here were your biasness against Wolverine and lack of knowledge makes your argument look foolish
Logan has had entire arcs devoted to training and improving him self as a fighter.
Logan is shown training more so then many of the best fighters in marvel.
Here just a few of the issues
Wolverine 124
X-Men Phoenix Warsong issue 1
Wolverine Origins # 1
Wolverine X-men Deluxe 89
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Originally posted by Alfheim
Furthermore if any one is completely honest if theres a fight with Wolverine and Cap. Cap should be able to out strategise Wolverine and not the other way round like in Origins.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Every man and his dog knows its bad writing hell even a review said that Wolevrine and Cap were acting out of character. .
Originally posted by Alfheim
Its an absolute disgrace that a starving and tired Wolverine can out think Cap at his peak. We all know what hunger and lack of sleep does to your thinking and performance how does Wolverine manage to do that to somebody who is better at strategy and is not tired?
It was the only way to make an even fight between the two was to weaken Logan’s healing factor enough so that capt was able to actually do lasting damage. It was quite a good way to make a real fight between the two possible. Logan with 100% healing factor would have no trouble beating Capt, but due to not sleep or eating for several weeks equaled out the playing field
Originally posted by Alfheim
Hell with Caps experience he could have forseen it.
Not to mention Logan just as experienced if not more so.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Hell since every Wolverine feat is acceptable im pulling Cap being able to hurt Korvac and KOing hulk. I'll give Wolverine the majority when people start being more reasonable.
Now you’re just grasping it rather sad actually
Oh and the issue was Wolverine origins issue 4
Originally posted by Battlehammer
In one on one combat I do not agree nor does strategy play that much of a roll.Strategy comes into play when leading a team or fighting many foes at once, but it does not come that much into play when fighting one opponent in melee combat.
Instinct and skill is far more important. You may go into a fight with a game plan, but once it starts it pure instinct and skill that takes over.
Strategy is involved in one and one combat thats why Boxers say "My plan was...."
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Capt may rely on skill more in order to survive, but that does not mean he shows greater skill. He has never shown skill out side of wolverine’s abilities and he does not possess it.
Well we shall see;...
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Umm what so skilled about that? The nerve would be huge it be easy as hell to hit
Yeah but it thaty height he has superhuman durability and Cap was weakened and dying so he would have had been very difficult to injure him.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
……..not to mention Goliath pretty much aided capt in hitting it by hold capt with in arm length of it……..
So that doesnt change the fcat that the nerve was a superhumanly tough nerve and Cap was weak and dying. Remember this Goliath is actually Hawkeye. Hawkeye is probably better trained than Roughhouse.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Which would be a speed/reflex feat……..not skill.
Well whatever it was still a good feat.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
By doing…what?
Punching him in his face. But remember he was dying and weaker and Yellowjacket was not
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Dude people in the second tier maybe even third have a comparable feat to this……..
Originally posted by Battlehammer
No he was not dieing he was haft dead and had been tortured to the point that his healing factor was completely maxed out.
Well this is the thing I have a detailed reveiw and as I suspect you were exaggerating lying. He was not dying and he his healing factor was not maxed out because after the guys got arrested he healing factor had healed his arm. No he was not at his peak but he still had his healing factor and claws.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Not to mention his body was broken and he was unable to even heal his hand even after the fight had ended.
No after the fight his arm was fully healed. During the fight his healing factor was still working but not as good.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
He had been beaten repeatedly by Rough house and Bloodscream. Rough house is a 75 toner just to give you an idea of how much damage Logan had taken who by the way was chained up. Wolverine was unable to defend him self in the slightest. After all this Logan was able to get out of his chains by breaking his own hand and then proceeded to defeat both Rough-House and Bloodscream.
The issue is Wolverine Down & Dirty With Roughhouse & Bloodscream! # 123.
You know what its an impressive feat but its still not as good as Caps. Wolverine has to use his claws to beat both BloodScream and Roughouse if he did not have his claws he would have been dead. Why did Roughouse give up, he gave up because Wolverine would have popped his claws through his neck. Why did Bloodscream get ****ed up its because Wolverine cut open his stomache.
What did Cap use to take down Goliath and Yellowjacket..his bare hands...Cap doesnt have healing factor and claws to help him. Hell it even stated in that issue that Wolverine said that he was a sloppy fighter due to his adamantuim.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
To bad marvel does not agree with your bias opinion……..which we all know is bias you have clearly expressed your hatred of Wolverine in many threads through out KMC.
Whatever.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Look at what ? Your scans don’t show any thing.
It shows that if didnt have a adamantuim bones and a healing factor he would have been DEAD.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Logan uses his skill all the time. You are assuming that having powers means one does not use there skill. Wolverine uses his skills all the time. He simply knows that he can take punishment why waste time blocking when you can take the attack which leaves your opponent open? Logan is fighting smart. Fighters do it all the time. If a fighter knows they can withstand an attack they will take the attack in order to land a more damaging attack on there opponent. Logan focuses most of his skill on attack because he knows he does not need to focus much on defense since his healing factor can deal with the damage. If he knows he can not withstand damage he defends. All he is doing is being efficient as possible which any skill fighter will tell you is the most important. Also there are many fighters in marvel who use skill 100 percent of the time and still fall short of top tier.
Never said Wolverine doesnt use skill hes just not as good as Cap.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Wolverine does practice it and use it………Here were your biasness against Wolverine and lack of knowledge makes your argument look foolish
Logan has had entire arcs devoted to training and improving him self as a fighter.
Logan is shown training more so then many of the best fighters in marvel.
Here just a few of the issues
Wolverine 124
X-Men Phoenix Warsong issue 1
Wolverine Origins # 1
Wolverine X-men Deluxe 89
Yeah im biased thats why even Wolverine said in Wolverine 123 that his adamantuim made him sloppy.
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Originally posted by Battlehammer
See I don’t agree. In one on one combat there roughly equals in strategies.
He still doesnt have anything as good as Cap though.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Also like I said earlier in one on one melee combat strategy is useless. You may go in with a game plan, but that won’t do you any good once you’re in the fight. When you’re fighting it’s skill and instinct that takes over. You don’t have time for strategies. There are no strategies for one on one combat in a featureless environment other then a rough game plan.
Wow so when boxers fight ecah other they dont use strategy. 🤨
Originally posted by Battlehammer
The only person that thinks capt and wolverine fought out of character is you……which means little since you hate wolverine and have a massive man crush on Capt.
thats why I can get an online review that says the samething and even KMC members have said it. You failed.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
We all know what lack of sleep and hunger does to wolverine? Nope we don’t actually. It seems to have no effect on him. His brain was not affected at all actually. His healing factor dealt with the starving and tiredness which is why it was so weak. His healing factor was weaker nothing else was effected in the least.
Of course thats why he had to eat his arm.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
It was the only way to make an even fight between the two was to weaken Logan’s healing factor enough so that capt was able to actually do lasting damage. It was quite a good way to make a real fight between the two possible. Logan with 100% healing factor would have no trouble beating Capt, but due to not sleep or eating for several weeks equaled out the playing field
Cap should be outhinking Wolverine not the other way around.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
So now capts experience gives him telepathy?
Er bro wolverine is weakened so Cap could figure out that Wolverine would use different tactics.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Not to mention Logan just as experienced if not more so.
Korvac saga.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Please quote were some one in this thread used an acceptable feat of wolverines?
Well saying that wolverien didnt expect namor to punch him for starters is illogical.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Now you’re just grasping it rather sad actuallyOh and the issue was Wolverine origins issue 4
Whatever.
Originally posted by FOOM
It's all up to the writers, correct? And I think Marvel as made an effort to make these characters appear equal. They have wanted to stay true to Cap as an icon ( alot of patriotism there) ensuring he been seen as the best fighter; but also they want to protect Wolverine's intense popularity.
They have comparible training and experience - Wolverine's strikes me as a little better- Samurai skill and coolness with savage intent (and he 's almost got a handle on that beserker thing) and Wolverine's healing factor far out ways Cap's. But Cap is the American Ideal. If forced to write an episode where in they have a definative winner, American company Marvel will not have Canadian Wolverine kick Cap's Yankee ass. Winner Captain America.
You think Captain America wins a fight with Wolverine because he's American?
😐
wow.....
soooooo, then I suppose Cap trounces Thanos since Thanos isn't American, or curb stomps Omega Red, hell, Magneto isn't technically an American, I'm sure Cap whips his ass too.....
pfft..
🙄
Originally posted by Alfheim
I think for starters Cap is better at strategy but Wolverine is no moron. In general Cap still shows more skill. Cap in the dying body of the red skull has made Goliaths whole body go numb with one finger, dodged a blast from yellowjacket and the laid him flat on his back. I dont think Wolverine has a comparable feat. Apparently Wolverine fought Bloodscream and Roughouse while dying, I havnet read the issue but I read info concerning it and there is no indication that he was dying. So it seems but I could be wrong that somebody could possibly be lying or exaggerrating. Wolverine has skill but compared to DD and Cap its less.
🤨
There's plenty of feats that Wolverine has that Cap can't even come close to comparing to based on healing factor alone, that doesn't mean Cap is more skilled, you're reaching, grasping, looking for those straws but you're wrong all the same... Even at the most base of levels, Wolverine's been considered in the same league as Cap if not better...
In Captain America Annual 8 Wolverine damages Tess and takes her head on, the one time Cap tries to do that he gets swatted away.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Just look at this:http://img15.photobucket.com/albums...y/wolvieII1.jpg
http://img15.photobucket.com/albums...y/wolvieII2.jpg
http://img15.photobucket.com/albums...y/wolvieII3.jpg
http://img15.photobucket.com/albums...y/wolvieII4.jpg
http://img15.photobucket.com/albums...y/wolvieII5.jpg
http://img15.photobucket.com/albums...y/wolvieII6.jpg
http://img15.photobucket.com/albums...y/wolvieII7.jpg
I don't know what I'm supposed to be looking at. 😬
Originally posted by Alfheim
Hell we all know that from this fight Wolverine would be dead if it wasnt for his healing factor and adamantuim. How is it somebody who relies on healing factor and adamantuim gets to have more skill than top tier fighters who use skill 100 percent of the time? Dont you need to practice skill in order to have it?
How the hell do you think Wolverine doesn't practice his skills?
He's trained for "countless hours" in the Danger Room alone, hell he takes down the danger room's max level while coasting in neutral he barely registers a rise in his heartbeat.
Originally posted by jinzin
Captain America's ability to strategize is a damn near No-Prize here. The difference between him and Wolverine is so small it WON'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE in the outcome of the fight.
Cap only shows more skill because he has to. It's more accurate to say that Cap shows his use of skill more consistently... but it's not better skill. When Wolverine has to use skill he fools Hydra into thinking he IS Captain America.
😂 So now you have to be dying to prove that you have better skill than Logan?🤨
There's plenty of feats that Wolverine has that Cap can't even come close to comparing to based on healing factor alone, that doesn't mean Cap is more skilled, you're reaching, grasping, looking for those straws but you're wrong all the same... Even at the most base of levels, Wolverine's been considered in the same league as Cap if not better...
In Captain America Annual 8 Wolverine damages Tess and takes her head on, the one time Cap tries to do that he gets swatted away.
I don't know what I'm supposed to be looking at. 😬
How the hell do you think Wolverine doesn't practice his skills?
He's trained for "countless hours" in the Danger Room alone, hell he takes down the danger room's max level while coasting in neutral he barely registers a rise in his heartbeat.
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RESPECT THREAD!
NOW!
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Originally posted by jinzin
Talk to Srank, I've done my part I put in basically a full weeks worth of work hours to get it done too, and he up and vanished on us with 25% of the scans.. 😬
So I've heard. Wouldn't it be possible to make a 75% respect thread, and let Srank add his when his lazy ass gets back on the scene?
