Ah, I believe the logical progression would be the rise of the insects, in my opinion ants are the greatest forms of life, along with the cockroaches. In terms of ability to survive and indeed evolve, the sky is the limit. In fact the only place in the world where one can see a perfect society, a perfectly content society is that of the ants. They deserve this earth.
Ah, yes. But it is true when you look at it, at an ant colony, it is a perfectly harmonious society, industrious, peaceful and every ant contributes, every ant has a part to play. They don't destroy the earth, they don't rage war with no cause, they don't look to achieve genocide or to enslave, they are driven, united...
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Ah, yes. But it is true when you look at it, at an ant colony, it is a perfectly harmonious society, industrious, peaceful and every ant contributes, every ant has a part to play. They don't destroy the earth, they don't rage war with no cause, they don't look to achieve genocide or to enslave, they are driven, united...
You don't know much about ants, really, do you... ants do wage war on other colonies, they take slave workers as prizes, and it it not unknown for large ant colonies to totally destroy smaller ones... hows that for genocide?? As for being harmonious and united, civil war between rival queens is, while not common, not unheard of....
And as for nature equalling "equilibrium..." and "harmony.." nature is nothing of the sort... it is a collection of chance happenings, influenced in turn by other chance happenings... it is "nature" that causes us to pollute the environment, just as nature makes comets hit the gulf of Mexico.... if we kill everything and destroy ourselves in the process, well, thats just human nature.... foxes won't stop killing rabbits until rabbits are extinct.... and as for the argument about seagulls with headphones... I won't believe seagulls are natural until I see a human with wings and feathers crapping on a caravan....
Well, I love entomology, and I have never heard of rock hard examples of ants taking slaves. And generally they respond in a natural fashion to encroachments on there territory. And genocide is the conscious decision and attempt to totally wipe out another race within ones species, ants don't do that, if they compete for space, food etc they will fight, but they will not go out and say "well, the Harvester ants are our enemy we must destroy them everywhere". And nature is that, equilibrium, balance, the eco system is balance, rises and falls. Boom and bust. Foxes in the proper environment would not be able to kill all the rabbits, merely keep them in check. They have a balance.
Humans make war out of an instinct for survival... no matter how else we rationalise it... Hitler tried to kill non Aryans so that the Aryan race could have better access to food, resources and "living room..." modern capitalist wars and ancient wars are all about the same thing... grabbing resources of one kind or another to enable one group to survive, at the expense of another... even those based on "personal dislike..." the Serbs and Bosnians fought so hard because the Serbs wanted what the Bosnians had, and thought it would make Serbian survival easier if the Bosnians were removed from the equation... a natural process... having enough food is not enough... humans would always rather have a surplus... as big a surplus as possible... plus there are things other than food we can compete for.... for example, as a heirarchical social animal, humans naturally compete for dominance... instead of using teeth and claws we use guns and WMDs....
Re: Humans are Natural!!!!
Originally posted by big gay kirk
Sorry, but I am fed up of hearing people say that human beings are unnatural, and that we do unnatural things... WE DON'T!!! Everything we do is natural, or we just wouldn't do it... maybe our houses and skyscrapers aren't as beautiful as an anthill, or birds nest, but they are just as natural... farming is natural... ants do it, why is it unnatural for us, but not for them... war is natural.. chimps do it... why shouldn't we... even our polluting of the atmosphere is natural.. it's what we do... it may not be "nice," it may not be "wholesome" but it is natural... we are just as much a part of nature as a chimp, a rat, a sparrow, a cod, a frog or a virus... whatever we do is natural.... sorry, but that's how it is...
No. Our humanity is a symbolic ediface, a fiction. We cobble ourselves together out of reified perceptions, and used-up stories. It's the story-telling that makes us unnaturual. Story-telling is our path out of the ordinary world and our hidden connection to God.
Originally posted by big gay kirk
if story telling was unnatural, we would not be able to do it in the first place....
unnatural as far as the rest of the physical universe is concerned. what else do you know that fashions narratives besides human beings? human beings are the sum of the narratives they construct about themselves.
I do not believe everything we do is natural. It most certainly is not.
A lot of people claim greed and hate are ''in human nature'', and this just is not.
Certian things are imprinted on us through socialisation and numerious ideologies and souroundings we are brought up with.
Nothing natural about it.
So unless we're talking about eating, having sex, sleeping and going to the toilet, other things which we do are arguably (some more, others less) not natural.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I do not believe everything we do is natural. It most certainly is not.A lot of people claim greed and hate are ''in human nature'', and this just is not.
Certian things are imprinted on us through socialisation and numerious ideologies and souroundings we are brought up with.
Nothing natural about it.So unless we're talking about eating, having sex, sleeping and going to the toilet, other things which we do are arguably (some more, others less) not natural.
I disagree. Greed and hate are not socialized traits. Rather, they are part of the fundamental rancor that lies at the core of human nature. Human beings are morally flawed. If anything, socialization is one of the things that mitigates these intrinsic weaknesses.
The protestation of moral innocence is one of charming narratives we construct about ourselves, revisionist history covering up the shame of compromised origins. None of us are innocent. No one.
The need to construct this image of ourselves as innocent is telling, though. It hearkens back to what I was arguing in my earlier post about humanity primarily being a function of its own narratives. We tell stories to construct identities for ourselves. For good or ill, narratives are the symbolic structures with which we clothe our self-perception. Sometimes these narrative ennoble us. Sometimes they plunge us into self-degradation. Sometimes they lie sweetly and rock us gently to sleep...
I will NEVER say I came from ancestors that were monkeys, though it might be true........I GOT MY PRIDE, ya know..... 😂 There are many other theories that haven't been explored.........Kay, I said it.......now I'll leave..........
I WAS NOT A MONKEY, IN ANY WAY AND ANY FORM......Neither was anyone in my family..........noooooooooooOOOO