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Originally posted by Beyonder
C'mon Wynndar, this fight was rigged so that Hulk would win.
1] Didn't this story happen AFTER the Marvel vs. DC crossover? Where Superman beat Hulk's ass? Marvel basically used Gladiator (Superman clone) to save face for Hulk in this fight you posted.
i agree totally with the above couple sentences, and yes it did come out after (very shortly after) superman beat hulk in the crossover.
Originally posted by Beyonder
As for JuggernautFan's comment, Eric did win. HOWEVER, HE USED LIVING LIGHTNING TO GIVE HIM AN EDGE IN THAT FIGHT.
so would it have been any different if it were his own lightning?? no. would it have stopped him from beating him unconsciouss in less than a page ??? no............ he only got angry also, and then decided to beat him senseless. he also made some rookie mistakes. Living lightning was a turning point in the fight, but it wouldnt have been the deciding factor ....... IMO. but the point is thor whipped him, and badly at that.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Hell even before their fight, Masterson was AFFRAID to face Kallark.
mortal thoughts in an immortal body. i'd be afraid to face an alien superman too if i were in thors body. but i bet thor wouldnt be that way.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Wonder Man came out to face Kallark and got his ASS kicked in.
wonderman also doesnt like fighting.
Originally posted by Beyonder
When Masterson Thor and Kallark fought, Gladiator was clearly dominant in that fight;
yes until he got angry/ used his other talents. this is also a less experience thor.
Originally posted by Beyonder
he used his super speed to bust Masterson around like a tennis ball. Kallark was beating his ass badly.
not really....... thor was taking it and making rookie mistakes. happens all the time.
Originally posted by Beyonder
The only time Masterson had a chance was when he saw Living Lightning flying over head and used Mjlonir to control Living Lightning as a weapon to stun Gladiator with enough force to stagger him.
yes, but it still does nothing to show gladiators durability was quite limited. cause he got knocked out in about a page of fighting.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Then Masterson QUICKLY and repeatedly busted Gladiator's head with Mjlonir until Kallark was unconscious.
which could have happened without living lightning.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Then was going to beat him to death (cowardly move - since Masterson only won with LL's help)
i wouldnt say ONLY. he was also getting mad at gladiator. and he also thought of the people back home. he could have turned the fight around with 1 good shot from mjolnir to gladiators head, but it might have taken longer. but he still could have dropped gladiator without the lightning. if anything the force he hit gladiator with before that should have hurt more than lightning itself.
Originally posted by Beyonder
but was stopped by the other Avengers. LATER ON BOARD THE QUINJET, the Avengers were afraid Gladiator was going to wake 'cause he was stirring a bit. Masterson Thor used Mjlnor to blow a hole throw another dimension and threw Kallark through before he woke up.
but it still doesnt change the fact his durability is all but unlimited. he couldnt even stand up to a page of shots from eric masterson. the fight could have gone a billion different ways. but it didnt. thor beat him into unconscioussness. simple as that. quite easily (after the turning point) at that.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Conclusion: Masterson cheated by using Living Lightning (willingly or unwillingly) to assist him against Gladiator. Gladiator would've beaten his ass.
well it isnt cheating. lightning is one of his abilities to control. i dont think gladiator would have beaten him regardless.
Originally posted by Beyonder
If this thread is to defame Gladiator, nobody has given proof, except for some skewed versions of fights. 🙄
its not a skewed version of anything. gladiator got beaten to a pulp when that version of thor got angry. he could have did it without lightning which is actually less effective vs. his other attacks he has at his disposal.
Originally posted by Beyonder
As for JuggernautFan's comment, Eric did win. HOWEVER, HE USED LIVING LIGHTNING TO GIVE HIM AN EDGE IN THAT FIGHT.
JuggernautFan
so would it have been any different if it were his own lightning?? no. would it have stopped him from beating him unconsciouss in less than a page ??? no............ he only got angry also, and then decided to beat him senseless. he also made some rookie mistakes. Living lightning was a turning point in the fight, but it wouldnt have been the deciding factor ....... IMO. but the point is thor whipped him, and badly at that.
Masterson was getting kicked around. He used Living Lightning, who's sole power is lightning, and used him to save his butt. And just 'cause Thor can call on lightning as well, it doesn't mean that lightning from the sky is the equivalent of someone who is a walking lightning storage. There's a difference; Gladiator was hit in ONE SHOT with a lightning container. I doubt shots of lightning from Thor would've weakened Gladiator like throwing LL at him did. It was A DECIDING FACTOR, since Masterson was on the ground as Kallark was about to beat him senseless. If not for LL, Masterson would've not got a footing and taken those free shots. He never laid his hammer on Kallark throughout most of the fight 'cause he wasn't fast enough. It was after throwing LL at Kallark was he able to get to his feet and ACTUALLY LANDED some good blows to the head.
When Masterson Thor and Kallark fought, Gladiator was clearly dominant in that fight;
yes until he got angry/ used his other talents. this is also a less experience thor.
What other talents? You mean using throwing LL at Gladiator and using Mjlornir as a wacking tool?
he used his super speed to bust Masterson around like a tennis ball. Kallark was beating his ass badly.
not really....... thor was taking it and making rookie mistakes. happens all the time.
That's all he could do...take it. He wasn't fast enough to lay his hands on Kallark.
The only time Masterson had a chance was when he saw Living Lightning flying over head and used Mjlonir to control Living Lightning as a weapon to stun Gladiator with enough force to stagger him.
yes, but it still does nothing to show gladiators durability was quite limited. cause he got knocked out in about a page of fighting.
...and you think Thor, Hulk, Beta Ray Bill, or Superman can take shots repeated to the head by hammer carried by a nut with Class 100? Getting hit by shots like those after taking one shit load attack directly, I doubt any of these guys would be standing after that either or last more than a page.
Then Masterson QUICKLY and repeatedly busted Gladiator's head with Mjlonir until Kallark was unconscious.
which could have happened without living lightning.
...like he did during the first part of the fights? He couldn't even lay his hands on Kallark. He only did that after he got his footing and Gladiator was daze and couldn't react. Anyone with Class 100 and an enchanted hammer could - with quick repeated blows to the head - beat down someone like Thor, Hulk, or Superman if they were too dazed to react.
Then was going to beat him to death (cowardly move - since Masterson only won with LL's help)
i wouldnt say ONLY. he was also getting mad at gladiator. and he also thought of the people back home. he could have turned the fight around with 1 good shot from mjolnir to gladiators head, but it might have taken longer. but he still could have dropped gladiator without the lightning. if anything the force he hit gladiator with before that should have hurt more than lightning itself.
So getting mad makes you a better fight? Increases your speed to that of Gladiator's? One good shot won't have turned it around. It would hurt Gladiator's head, but Living Lightning AFFECTED Kallark's ENTIRE BODY (INSIDE & OUT). It wasn't just some blow to some particular part of the body. And again, he was only able to land good direct shots to the head 'cause Kallark was dazed and wasn't able to react. Otherwise, circles would be runned around Masterson.
Conclusion: Masterson cheated by using Living Lightning (willingly or unwillingly) to assist him against Gladiator. Gladiator would've beaten his ass.
well it isnt cheating. lightning is one of his abilities to control. i dont think gladiator would have beaten him regardless.
Just 'cause it's one of his abilities doesn't mean it's not a cheat. He grabbed someone and used him as a weapon against his foe. Then was able to get up from the ground and land hits to an opponent who was unable to react 'cause of LL.
If this thread is to defame Gladiator, nobody has given proof, except for some skewed versions of fights.
its not a skewed version of anything. gladiator got beaten to a pulp when that version of thor got angry. he could have did it without lightning which is actually less effective vs. his other attacks he has at his disposal.
So getting angry means you can win a fight? What attacks? He never landed when Gladiator was fine. The few shots he landed didn't do much. He won only after he'd use outside interference to give him leverage, then contiously wacking his hammer with all his might on his opponent's head while his foe was dazed from that cheap attack.
Furthermore, in Across All Worlds, an Gladiator from the future fought Thor and was beating his ass. Lightning was used and did hurt Kallark but not to the degree that LL did. Thor would've died if not for outside help, who united Blake with Mjlornir after Gladiator had kicked it a mile or so away. In their second bout, Thor did better be even then wasn't winning anything. He only won after Tarene (Thor-girl) assisted him, blasting Kallark with the full blast of her hammer to end the fight. Moments after that, Odin appeared and Gladiator was on his knees informing him of his mission to kill Thor.
Manjaro, I was thinking the same. I know almost nothing about the characters you guys are talking about, but thanks to the links Wynndar gave, I know that tossing Hulk into space will kill him. What is to stop Magneto from wrapping Hulk in metal and throwing him into space? I'm sorry I didn't post this in the Hulk/Mag thread, but I was just responding to Manjaro's comment.
Juggernautfan: have u read the Gladiator appearances in FF...u know he and classic Thor fought in FF right?...in the same story when the Dreaming Celestial was manipulating Galactus...if u read the FF appearances of Gladiator u would know that both the Thor and Hulk fights seriously downplayed Gladiator's durability...in his first FF appearance, Gladiator was chasing some skrulls on a mission to destroy the FF...they were just outside the solar system...leaving hyperspace...then they started a cosmic reaction, technology of the Skrull's meant ot create a sun...Gladiator was caught right in the middle of it...the reaction was contained to a limited space by the technology....however, Reed stated the explosion would have consumed and destroyed our entire solar system if it weren't contained...however, Gladiator managed to survive in the center of it...originally, Gladiator was more durable and overall powerful than Hulk, Silver Surfer, Juggernaut, and easily would have trashed Thor...Gladiator punched Thing once and Thing went flying through about 100 cars and could not even stand up..."I...dont think...Ive ever been punched that hard"-Thing, after fighting Juggernaut, Thor, and Hulk about 10 times...under the circumstances, I dont think Thor really has any business fighting classic gladiator...I think classic Gladiator was more powerful than superman...oh and Gladiator also destroyed a planet in 2 or three punches once...he was pissed and it just shattered
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
Thor is still superior to Gladiator, Thing is not to be compared to any of them. Gladiator is extremely powerful, but he's not as good a fighter. And I agree, using lightning is not cheating in any aspect. That's like saying Juggernaut cheats by using the Gem of Cyttorak to be unstoppable.
Dude, when the heck has Thor EVER smashed a planet? No, given recent evidence I think we all have a bit of rethinking to do.
Of course, stupid planet not hit back. Hulk still smash gladiator. :-)
Oh yeah...I recall an issue of a recent Thor where a time traveling Gladiator almost kills Thor in his human form...he manages to punt away his hammer. I mean, that was perhaps the closest to a definitive finish any fight has come between Thor and anyone else I can recall...no?
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
Thor is still superior to Gladiator, Thing is not to be compared to any of them. Gladiator is extremely powerful, but he's not as good a fighter. And I agree, using lightning is not cheating in any aspect. That's like saying Juggernaut cheats by using the Gem of Cyttorak to be unstoppable.
those are simply opinions WOA...what do they have to do with the comic events?...Just saying Thor is superior to Gladiator doesnt mean anything...do u have any evidence to back this up?...U made that conclusion but u didnt mention if u have even read the Thor Gladiator fight?....Gladiator survived the birth of a Star and shattered a planet...Thor could do neither...regardless of how strong the Thing is, he has been able to engage both Thor and Hulk, and in terms of a strong hand to hand fighter he is on the same page as them both in the MU...what do u have to say about my statements from the classic Gladiator appearances? You've told me a couple times that your a mythologist, are you being biasly in favor of Thor?...here is the Thing looking just as capable in a fight as Thor...any picture with these three together is going to kick ass!jawdrop
Thor is probably capable of smashing a planet. Just because he hasn't doesn't mean he couldn't. And again, he's vastly more powerful. Yeah I would say I'm biased towards Thor, but that doesn't mean I think he's unbeatable. I say he's superior to Gladiator because he beat Gladiator. We've already discussed Masterson beating the hell out of Gladiator *and it's not cheating.* Thor is superior to Eric the Thor. Yes Gladiator can survive a star and accomplish things Thor cannot, but that doesn't mean he would beat Thor.
? so if ur aware they fought isnt it pointless to bring up masterson?...Gladiator<Masterson<Thor...most people have accepted this is not a rational way to decide who would win in a fight...Thing beat Hulk but Thing>Hulk>Destroyer>Thor>Gladiator is not acceptable.
-Thor cannot shatter a planet in 3 blows...he cant do it in general...equally relevant as u saying he can...its just my opinion, your statement was your opinion too, except u dont know comics as well as i do
-Thor cannot survive the creation of a star...that blast easily dwarfed the power unleashed on Thor by any number of individuals who have beaten him...Thor was killed when he tried to contain the energies of Onslaught and got blasted by a dozen mutants...Thor was KO'd by Thanos in 2 punches...Thor was rendered unconscious by Mangog
finally, my main point is that classic Thor never beat Gladiator...the only way he was even able to keep up with Thor was by using Reed Richard's technology...he couldnt even phase Gladiator anyway...Gladiator in his original battle with the FF was vastly more powerful than Thor..."I dont think I've never encountered anyone so powerful, so human looking" -Human Torch...Human torch has encountered Thor, Hulk, Hercules, Silver Surfer, etc on a regular basis. Thing cannot be considered with Thor and Gladiator because he has not demonstrated the powers of those two?...Hulk has never demonstrated their powers either yet he has wiped the floor with them. Thing has wiped the floor with Hulk in FF#320, does that mean he can beat THor and Gladiator? no...why was Thor even mentioned in the same sentence as Gladiator? he hasnt demonstrated any of his powers either. Produce eyebeams capable of burning a hole in Hulk? no. Move planets? no. Fly through stars? no. Shatter a planet in three blows? no. and i repeat, Thor cannot destroy a planet. Why would we assume he can? He couldnt shatter Ego, he was a planet. He can't even shatter that troll Ulik in three blows. So what Im really trying to say is...classic Gladiator can beat Thor....
Oh and here is that comic book that u obviously havent read