Here it is, Hulk vs Gladiator

Hulk may keep getting stronger but Gladiator is simply "All strong" Hulks increases would be like a poke to him. I think Gladiator can take down Hulk by himself with all his powers.

wrathofachilles

Thor is still superior to Gladiator, Thing is not to be compared to any of them. Gladiator is extremely powerful, but he's not as good a fighter. And I agree, using lightning is not cheating in any aspect. That's like saying Juggernaut cheats by using the Gem of Cyttorak to be unstoppable.

Did you even read what I wrote? Or did you skim it? Masterson used Living Lightning, AN AVENGER'S MEMBER - as a weapon to give him the edge. Gladiator was stunned and dazed with that ONE BLOW. I doubt the everyday lightning bolt from Thor would put stun Gladiator as this one blast. Masterson clearly used outside interference to assist him. Claim it as his power all you want, but Living Lightning is a person - using him to assist in a fight is basically cheating. Hell, Living Lightning himself questioned whether or not Avengers were aloud to use one another for a "CHEAP SHOT" like that. If Masterson had used his own lightning or lightning from the sky - their wouldn't be a problem. Clearly he didn't; he essentially threw a member of his own team - with all their power - at Kallark to get the edge in a fight.

i dont think he realized LL was a person...

Originally posted by Maelstrom
Hulk may keep getting stronger but Gladiator is simply "All strong" Hulks increases would be like a poke to him. I think Gladiator can take down Hulk by himself with all his powers.

Gladiator got his ass handed to him by Hulk. Thus that argument was already decided by the writers themselves.

Originally posted by Wynndar
? so if ur aware they fought isnt it pointless to bring up masterson?...Gladiator<Masterson<Thor...most people have accepted this is not a rational way to decide who would win in a fight...Thing beat Hulk but Thing>Hulk>Destroyer>Thor>Gladiator is not acceptable.
-Thor cannot shatter a planet in 3 blows...he cant do it in general...equally relevant as u saying he can...its just my opinion, your statement was your opinion too, except u dont know comics as well as i do
-Thor cannot survive the creation of a star...that blast easily dwarfed the power unleashed on Thor by any number of individuals who have beaten him...Thor was killed when he tried to contain the energies of Onslaught and got blasted by a dozen mutants...Thor was KO'd by Thanos in 2 punches...Thor was rendered unconscious by Mangog

finally, my main point is that classic Thor never beat Gladiator...the only way he was even able to keep up with Thor was by using Reed Richard's technology...he couldnt even phase Gladiator anyway...Gladiator in his original battle with the FF was vastly more powerful than Thor..."I dont think I've never encountered anyone so powerful, so human looking" -Human Torch...Human torch has encountered Thor, Hulk, Hercules, Silver Surfer, etc on a regular basis. Thing cannot be considered with Thor and Gladiator because he has not demonstrated the powers of those two?...Hulk has never demonstrated their powers either yet he has wiped the floor with them. Thing has wiped the floor with Hulk in FF#320, does that mean he can beat THor and Gladiator? no...why was Thor even mentioned in the same sentence as Gladiator? he hasnt demonstrated any of his powers either. Produce eyebeams capable of burning a hole in Hulk? no. Move planets? no. Fly through stars? no. Shatter a planet in three blows? no. and i repeat, Thor cannot destroy a planet. Why would we assume he can? He couldnt shatter Ego, he was a planet. He can't even shatter that troll Ulik in three blows. So what Im really trying to say is...classic Gladiator can beat Thor....

Oh and here is that comic book that u obviously havent read

Masterson is not greater than Thor in any way. He fights different, he fights dirty lol, but he is not superior to Thor. I didn't say he could shatter a planet in 3 blows, but that doesn't mean he can't shatter a planet. He has exhibited enormous feats of strength and is capable of lifting islands. I know Thor comics as well as you do, maybe more. I don't know Fantastic Four virtually at all. I know Thor can't survive a star, as for Thanos knocking him out in two punches, that doesn't mean Thanos would do it every time they fought. Besides, Thanos is superior to Gladiator. You and your 'Thing' obsession. Thing has beaten Hulk a fraction of the amount that Hulk has beaten Thing. Hulk has exhibited strength that surpasses everyone, Thing has not, thus Hulk is more easily compared to Gladiator and Thor. I SAID that Thing was comparable in strength, but he is the weakest of the group, plain and simple. Ego is a completely different kind of planet, and again, I didn't say he could destroy a planet in 3 blows. I didn't even say he would shatter a planet, only that he MAY be capable of such a thing. He doesn't shatter Ulik because it's Thor. He doesn't fight like that. It's like saying Spider-man doesn't kill Green Goblin in 3 blows so he couldn't.

You're right, Gladiator could beat Classic Thor. But vice versa applies as well.

Originally posted by Wynndar
i dont think he realized LL was a person...

No, I knew Living Lightning was a person, I have the comic, but I misread what was said. Sorry. Yeah that might be construed as cheating. But it happens in fights all the time. Hell, the X-Men and Avengers 'cheat' all the time.

Thing is my favorite character....but believe me i know his limits...when i refer to hi beating Hulk I am refering to after his second mutation where he was actually stronger than Hulk...Thing's powers eventually evolve to an unimaginable height...however, I know present Thing is not as strong as Hulk, Gladiator, or even Thor...strength isnt everything and as far as straight up fighting is concerned Thing is one of the most formidable in the MU..thanks for agreeing about Gladiator

I agree Thing is a formidable fighter, but he'll never be stronger than Hulk because you can't be stronger than someone who has no limits of strength. Since I don't know FF comics well enough, is Thing immortal? Can his powers evolve forever? It will take decades for him to be capable of putting a serious hurt on Hulk, and again, as always, if Hulk gets mad enough, he'll shatter a planet or something.

Originally posted by Wynndar
Thing is my favorite character....but believe me i know his limits...when i refer to hi beating Hulk I am refering to after his second mutation where he was actually stronger than Hulk...

Strength isn't everything, my friend.

wrathofachilles

No, I knew Living Lightning was a person, I have the comic, but I misread what was said. Sorry. Yeah that might be construed as cheating. But it happens in fights all the time. Hell, the X-Men and Avengers 'cheat' all the time.

So 'cause everyone else does the WRONG thing, does that justify it? If others are cheating, they are cheating; it's not a justification for you to do so as well. Clearly, Masterson cheated to win, thus it doesn't prove his skills nor that he won that fight FAIRLY. Therefore, please don't say Masterson beat Gladiator and so would Thor. Thor would win too if he cheated.

Thor doesn't cheat, that's my point. I hate when people say Masterson is better than Thor. Masterson fights dirty, he fights like a modern American, that doesn't mean he's a superior fighter. Thor could beat Gladiator fairly, especially now. It wouldn't be much of a contest now.

Of course it wouldn't now. If Gladiator had Odin's power, Thor wouldn't be much of a contest either. Nor would Thanos. It still doesn't prove Thor would beat Gladiator in a fight. They've fought before. Thor hasn't won any fairly. Thor has always stalemated or had assistance in beating Gladiator.

Hulk wins after 3 day destruction of most of North America from battling with Gladiator.....I must agree that the writers did go a little overboard when they had Gladiator getting his ass handed to him.....it makes me wonder, cuz classic Collosus (GO COLLOSUS!!) didn't do to bad against classic Gladiator in the Pheonix saga, but Gladiator's strength limit has never been shown either. He just chooses to overcome something, and does it. His abilities seem to mimic the Hulk's where the harder the struggle, the harder the push, without a second thought. But Hulk doesn't get weaker if you make him mad. I'm pretty sure that that planet was kinda small and that Hulk cudve done the same thing.....now before you GLad fans try to lynch me know that Hulk's strength has no bounds, cuz his anger hs no bounds. niether does his healing factor. When Hulk isn't angry and he just tries to get the hell out to get some space and peace and quiet, there is no need for him to become stronger, cuz he isn't any angrier just annoyed. I think the comic with Gladiator played out well, until the whole "I C, your weak to radiation =p" bit. Hulk was seriously pissed about some dame and monster in the past, so yeah, Big Strength increase from not wanting same stuff to happen again since past and present blended together, cuz....hulk's crazy....or maybe not fully mentally stable......or he has a half man half ape brain. Hulk smashes, but he doesnt always want to fight. He gets bored of ppl always after him, so he just jumps miles away to some waterfall to chill w/ the squirrels and chipmonks.......but Gladiator....that is a fight to see. I think Glads would eventually piss off the hulk to no end with his condescending and stuck up attitude (Glads is always like that). Hulk doesn't like bn called stupid, or lumux, or nething else mentally degrading, he reeeeeaaaaalllly hates that, and returns with a knuckle sandwhich that will smash your face in.

But in all seriousness, I believe that they would have an awesome fight that would start off with Gladiator having the upper hand and maybe eventually hand Hulk his ass, but then I think, Hulk would reach a breaking point and cut loose. There after both reach equal levels of strength, therefore makeing the fight last a long time destroying any environment around. Finally, Hulk decides Glads is really pissing him off

and then decides that Glads must go at all costs, thus bringing unequaled strength into the fight and eventually handing Glads his hiny wrapped up in his cape like a Christmas present. Leaving everything within fifteen miles of the fight completely destroyed. ........Hulk smash

Gladitator's strength is in part based in his self confidence. As a result, it's possible to make Hulk the victor by continuing his assault no matter what Gladiator does to him. This will lower his self confidence, and as a result he'll get weaker.

That's how I'd write it. :-)

hmmmm, you know, I like that. Also Hulk's hits would only get harder, thus further lowering confidence.

Hulk smash

But it's not like his self confidence is immediatly shattered. As Praetor for the Shi'Ar empire for a number of years, he's seen some weird stuff most likely, and has faced some grave threats.

Like I said, the fight would last a few days, just as long as no other super hero gets involed and takes the story for another corny team-up spin off, (actually I like those, but I'd like to see one of hte fights among heroes finish first.)

Hulk is not a grave threat, he is a threat to the universe.

Hulk ain't winning nothing against Gladiator. Hulk gets stronger, so what? Gladiator's much faster with an array of abilities at his dispossal. Supes beat Hulk with the same power set, so can Gladiator. And as for the confidence issue, your blowing it way out of proportion. Gladiator's beaten guys throughout the cosmos. Fought Thor, Masterson Thor, Colossus, Thing, etc., his confidence rarely shakes. There wasn't any hint of this during his fight against Thor or fighting Masterson Thor. The only time I've seen Gladiator's confidence drop is when characters pull power and knowledge OUT OF THEIR ASS DURING A FIGHT. Cannonball pulled out some move never before seen from his ass and take Gladiator by surprise and still didn't do much to Kallark. Hulk pulled out of his own ass a weakness Gladiator never and beat him with that, not to mention the fight was rigged so Hulk can save face after Superman in Marvel Vs. DC.

How funny in that fight between Hulk and Gladiator where Kallark only used his heat vision and flight to fight. He didn't even slug it out with Hulk, nor used super cold breath, nor super speed. It's rigged; he grabbed Hulk and flew him up into space WITHOUT gripping Hulk's hands in that bearhug, essentially letting Hulk punch his face? He could've easily thrown Hulk into outer space. Rigged fight. Hulk would get his ass beaten down like a whore honestly.