Here it is, Hulk vs Gladiator

Originally posted by Beyonder
Gladiator's fought at light speed plenty of times. He's used numerous times against Thor.

Wrath, you didn't even read any of the arguments did you? You just blab and blab. That fight was rigged. Grabbing and throwing some into space is different from grabbing hold of their body and flying out into space. The fight was rigged so Hulk could win.

Rigged? Lol, how pathetic. Yes I read the 'arguments,' but the fact of the matter is there is no argument of it being 'rigged.' It's a comic book. Comic books are not 'rigged' genius. You don't like how it ended up, that's your problem. Fact of the matter is, Hulk won, plain and simple. There is always someone who disagrees with how battles end, that doesn't make them 'rigged.'

What are you talking about? Gladiator clearly fought like an idiot in this fight compared to most other fights he's fought. The guy is a more competant fighter than this comic or you give him for. Him grabbing Hulk and trying to fly him out into outerspace, with Hulk's hands free to attack, is either dumb writting or it was rigged for Hulk to win. Glad's didn't even bust him up and he's going to try and fly Hulk, who's in better condition then Glad's at the time, into space?

And if you didn't like the "rigged" - how's about BIAS. As for the ending, Hulk (near the end of that battle) pulled out of his ass a weakness Gladiator never had. Weakness to certain radiant energies? Tell me how the HELL DID HULK EVEN KNOW of such a weakness? Was their ever proof before this fight that Gladiator was "weak to certain radiations?" The guy travels through space and fly through stars that contain different kinds of radiations. All of a sudden he's weak to certain kinds of radiation? It's Bull$hit! And you know Wrath!

I never said Gladiator wasn't a competent figher. He is a better fighter than Hulk, but he is not as strong as Hulk, that is why he lost. He was simply overpowered. Most comic battles are 'dumb writing,' that argument doesn't work. Have you not ever been in a fight where you've let the opponent's hands free? As far as radiation, that doesn't matter, Hulk was winning before he put him in the radition chamber. He could have smashed his skull in at several points in the fight.

All comic fights are biased. The writer chooses to let the character he favors *whether personal taste or personal opinion to power* win the fight. That's how it works.

Writters pick and choose who wins, but a beat down like this? Hulk manhandled him; this isn't just pick and choose. Of course they decide on the winner, but that doesn't mean they'd write it as a curbstomping like this one.

Hell, Gladiator lost to Thor but it wasn't a curbstomping like this. Gladiator actually displays a range of his abilities (speed, flight, strength, intelligence, skills, heat vision, etc.) in his fight with Thor, and also in his fight with Masterson Thor. And came out loosing but looking capable of winning during the fight. He came out of those fights loosing but loosing with RESPECT. He's also fight others the same way in other appearance, displaying his range of abilities. In this one with Hulk, all he did was use heat vision, flight, and a bit of strength; the rest was him getting slaughtered by Hulk. He didn't even slug it out with Hulk, somehting he's capable of. This fight made him look like an arrogant noob and made the Hulk out to be a Superman pimper.

i agree with beyonder, but I still think Hulk would win. I read a comic where thing faced the Gladiator, and THing didn't last too long, but Hulk is tougher and it wudn't take three days for hulk's strength to increase and at least double, it never has before actually
(cept in gay crossover where pl voted winners....Namor losing to a punk and a whale......pssshhh) Gladiator would set the strength level, and hulk woulld be angered by his assault and arrogance (thinking he could take on Hulk so easily) and smash gladiator, similar to the comic, but not as easily.and not as nonbelievalbe.

The Gladiator has been beaten far too much to be taken serious.

But jugding on Gladiator's past abilities and fieghts of strength, I feel certain writers wanted to make their favorite characters look better by having them defeat Glads.

And oh yeah, Thor also has super speed. And Hulk has never been slow, in fact he's always been too fast for his size, and always faster than his oponents. go to http://photobucket.com/albums/v39/bmovie_buff/?action=view&current=Hulk_avengers_6.jpg

Gladiator IS arrogant, that fight had nothing to do with his unbridled arrogance. That's part of his character. I agree he was humiliated, but Thor humiliated him as well. He's a knock-off of Superman, he's rarely ever taken seriously except when he's flying through stars and shattering planets. When he actually fights though, he's often portrayed as arrogant and not fighting with much discipline. In truth, Gladiator is extremely powerful and an excellent fighter, but his character is not really supposed to be respected that much. Hulk is just a superior force and the writers chose to show it a bit more clearly than other times.

Originally posted by Beyonder
What are you talking about? Gladiator clearly fought like an idiot in this fight compared to most other fights he's fought. The guy is a more competant fighter than this comic or you give him for. Him grabbing Hulk and trying to fly him out into outerspace, with Hulk's hands free to attack, is either dumb writting or it was rigged for Hulk to win. Glad's didn't even bust him up and he's going to try and fly Hulk, who's in better condition then Glad's at the time, into space?

And if you didn't like the "rigged" - how's about BIAS. As for the ending, Hulk (near the end of that battle) pulled out of his ass a weakness Gladiator never had. Weakness to certain radiant energies? Tell me how the HELL DID HULK EVEN KNOW of such a weakness? Was their ever proof before this fight that Gladiator was "weak to certain radiations?" The guy travels through space and fly through stars that contain different kinds of radiations. All of a sudden he's weak to certain kinds of radiation? It's Bull$hit! And you know Wrath!

U said u read the issue of FF where Gladiator fought the skrulls but u didnt know what I was talking about when I said Invisible Woman knocked him out with one invisible battering ram? Then you made me more suspicious when u said Gladiator never had the weakness to radiation?...this was also observed in the fight with the FF and the skrulls. Are you saying you have read it or that you are just aware it happened?...they r two really important issues if you want to make arguments for or against Gladiator...no other comics define Gladiators powers better...Gladiator was knocked out by a not so impressive attack by IW when his confidence was broken. And he is very vulnerable to radiation. Both observed in FF#250.

Originally posted by wrathofachilles
Gladiator IS arrogant, that fight had nothing to do with his unbridled arrogance. That's part of his character. I agree he was humiliated, but Thor humiliated him as well. He's a knock-off of Superman, he's rarely ever taken seriously except when he's flying through stars and shattering planets. When he actually fights though, he's often portrayed as arrogant and not fighting with much discipline. In truth, Gladiator is extremely powerful and an excellent fighter, but his character is not really supposed to be respected that much. Hulk is just a superior force and the writers chose to show it a bit more clearly than other times.

Thor never humiliated him to my knowledge. Their only fight, Thor was only able to keep up due to Reed Richards tech...otherwise Gladiator would have knocked Thor out in a microsecond

Originally posted by Cosmo Kramer
The Gladiator has been beaten far too much to be taken serious.

(uninspired comic writer) Pff, I'm bored, don't know against who my hero will fight next. Hm, let's see, hey let's pick Gladiator, he's really powerful, defeating him will impress my readers and nobody can stand him anyway. Gosh, I'm a freaking genius !

When you look at the powers of both characters, Gladiator is more than capable of defeating Hulk, but he will walk away with a few broken arms and legs, and probably without the mohawk.

And the Hulk fight against Gladiator wasn't too bad, it's not like Hulk had no problem defeating him, he had to give everything he had, he was surprised that Gladiator was so durable and was even bleeding at the end.

Conclusion: they both can win.

Wynndar

U said u read the issue of FF where Gladiator fought the skrulls but u didnt know what I was talking about when I said Invisible Woman knocked him out with one invisible battering ram? Then you made me more suspicious when u said Gladiator never had the weakness to radiation?...this was also observed in the fight with the FF and the skrulls. Are you saying you have read it or that you are just aware it happened?...they r two really important issues if you want to make arguments for or against Gladiator...no other comics define Gladiators powers better...Gladiator was knocked out by a not so impressive attack by IW when his confidence was broken. And he is very vulnerable to radiation. Both observed in FF#250.

First off, I'm not an expert on the FF or read that many issues. However, I did read that issue. If you want proof, I'll post some quotes from that fight and comment on what took place in that fight when I get home. If that radiant energy weakness is in that issue I have - I'll have to look. From what I remembered of that fight, Gladiator lift the entire Baxter tower easily, which Reed used to conclude that Kallarks power is a kind of telekenetic and is beemed from the Shi'Ar empire. And since it was a sort of telekenetic or was, he was able to lift Baxter tower without it crumbling. I'll go back and read it and comment further.

Masterson Thor humiliated him, and Gladiator in no way would beat Thor in a microsecond. Thor has taken on Silver Surfer and Galactus and won, Gladiator is not superior to them. I don't care what Reed Richards did for him, Thor's not going to manhandle Gladiator, but he is certainly more powerful. He just fights too damn 'noble' to win quickly against a hard-ass like Gladiator.

Originally posted by wrathofachilles
Masterson Thor humiliated him, and Gladiator in no way would beat Thor in a microsecond. Thor has taken on Silver Surfer and Galactus and won, Gladiator is not superior to them. I don't care what Reed Richards did for him, Thor's not going to manhandle Gladiator, but he is certainly more powerful. He just fights too damn 'noble' to win quickly against a hard-ass like Gladiator.

ok son, I never mentioned Masterson....I mentioned Thor...Thor has never humiliated him...the only time they fought (Gladiator and Classic Thor) Thor would not have been able to keep up if it werent for Richard's tech. Some how Gladiator's tech or powers (no one knows) allows him to increase his speed into the level of hyperspeed whenever he wants. With this ability, yes he could beat Thor before Thor even realizes he was beat. It would not take a microsecond, that was an exageration. When the FF were in Shi'ar territory gathering weapons to fight Galactus, they were moving so fast that they could accomplish a years work in less than a sec. Gladiator moving at his regular hyperspeed could barely see them as blurs, they were moving so fast...then he increased his speed to their's and went at it with Thor. This is the fight I always refer to when im talking about Thor and Gladiator. If i refer to masterson I will refer to him as Masterson. Im not making subjective statements of opinion like your usual fanboyism of Thor...opinions dont prove anything...Im stating facts from comic events.

Originally posted by wrathofachilles
Masterson Thor humiliated him, and Gladiator in no way would beat Thor in a microsecond. Thor has taken on Silver Surfer and Galactus and won, Gladiator is not superior to them. I don't care what Reed Richards did for him, Thor's not going to manhandle Gladiator, but he is certainly more powerful. He just fights too damn 'noble' to win quickly against a hard-ass like Gladiator.

surfer and galactus? shwa????

galactus would own thor. and i will not say anything about surfer here.

You're right Wynndar, there are two issues of this I dug up, FF #249 "Man & Super-Man and #250 "X-Factor" Special 250th Issue!

In #250, the skrulls, who Gladiator was pursuing, used morphed into the X-Men and used their radiation weapons to hurt Gladiator badly (especially Storm). Kallark did manage to avoid the attack later into the fight. However, Reed used his machine to trick Kallark into thinking he was attacking Reed when in reality he was attack Captain America's shield. Don't know how Steve was able to hold his ground against Kallark's punches even if the shield is indestructable. Then again Captain America has done some uncanny feat before.

Anyhow, Sue was able to easily knock Kallark out when his confidence in his powers dropped. Kallark's power - according to Reed - is psionic in nature, consisting of telekenesis, pyrokenesis, & levitation. And my bad for mixing Super Skrull's power origins with Kallark, as they didn't know where Gladiator's power comes from. Also, if Gladiator's power is psionic like Reed said - which explains most of his power, except faster than light movement - then his doubt causes a lack in concentration of his powers - thus weakening himself to an opponents attack. However, this isn't evidence for all you Gladiator haters to say soon as Gladiator's confidence drops, he'll get a beating. Most fights, Gladiator kick people the hell around easily and his confidence doesn't drop immediately. He's stomped guys around the galaxy & is the Shi'Ar empires number one guy - he's got a lot of confidence to go around.

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