Originally posted by BentleyAce was explicitly shown to not be able to use Logia Intangibility on pure reflex, like Crocodile, Enel, and the Admirals have. So... Yeah.
So what's your argument? That Ace was so weak he hadn't learned to use logia intangibility? Because if Jimbei had no water nor haki he wouldn't be able to hurt Ace at all.Jimbei would be even weaker according to you 131
Keep in mind, that was a while ago, before Jimbei was a Shichibukai IIRC.