Originally posted by MERCILOUS
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!10000 post eh Mitch? Like ten thousand pebbles thrown at a steel wall and half of them don't even make it.
Cause thats all you do...
Funny how EVERYONE thinks I'm a better debater around here, than ANY of the stooges and nuthuggers here.
I contribute>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you, remember that.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
How does wolverine get owned by dd, and elecktra.You guys never know what the hell your're talking about.
wolvie heals before the damage
wolvie has superhuman strength and speed
wolvie doesn't get effected by inertai and speedIts your beliefs, because wolverine has precognition.
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actually we've explained those quite well....
in one fight daredevil attacks wolverine striking for the neck before wolvierine even has the idea he may need to defend himself.....
big victory there....🙄
in the next daredevil fights a brain washed logan who's distracted by a conversation in his head, aside from that his mission is only to stall daredevil while gorgon beats elektra down...wolverine gets hit staggers and ACCIDENTLY trips onto a sword....winner by circumstance.....daredevil using weapons and luck that are not ususally at his disposal.....big whoop 🙄
the only time that there were little circumstances helping daredevil out...even then he attacked logan from behind who didn't want to fight and was distracted by his hunt for TM.....withing 3 panals dd ended up in a full nellson....
dd can't take wolverine.....of course you would know that had you actually read the issues...but you haven't....
elektra.....well lets see here.....
elektra was able to OUTFIGHT an animalistic wolverine...a guy who's brain had developed into that of a dog....big deal.....
oh well there was that one time she got the drop on him from behind, while he was fighting 20 armed guards WHILE recovering from death itself......is that what you mean?
oh how about the one that bw was talking about...I guess it don't hurt that elektra and wolvie were at one point lovers....a circumstance that makes logan unable to help from holding back against her thus making the outcome even money...hell the same is even true for yukio..and we ALL know wolverine is TIMES her better....
so unless you have any examples of a straight up fight that's happened with either of the two i haven't listed...maybe you should stop bringing up those examples...because it's only becoming more and more obvious that it's YOU who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about....
sweet...lacking any further rebuttle...much less an EXPLAINATION to any of the questions I even asked...cordy deems fit to TELL me my beliefs..too bad it ain't working.....face it...you're getting worse at this by the day.....
Originally posted by jinzin
why is spiderman capable of lifting up to 10 tons (before his upgrade) when he was originally shown to be far less in terms of sheer strength?why?
Jinzin..what the hell are ya talking about? SM has always been portrayed as being in the 10-20 ton range. In earlier issues, written by none other than "Stan the Man" Lee, he's demonstrated feats of strength which greatly exceed even this range.(ie building structures, large cars, etc)
Stan generally pitted SM against characters much more powerful than himself, in fact if we were to go strictly by many earlier examples of the character, I would say that the original version of the wallcrawler would dispatch of the Trio much more effectively than the current version.
wolverine jumps up 30 feet...maybe...and it's not incomprehensible to understand how or why...especially in a comic book forum...
No one really cares about what examples you use, as long as they support some sort of logical/consistent argument, and an explanation is given supporting why the example should be considered.
The example you've given above is not consistent with any of the physical attributes that have been ascribed to Wolverine by Marvel, and you have not given any logical argument to support it, other than the typical "Well it happened.."
This is the typical type of argument you use while you debate, and as it has been pointed out to you numerous times, this type of rationale is foolish, seeing as how it can be applied to any type of argument presented in this forum.
(ie Spider Man was rejected by death, therefore he can not die..it happened right?!!)
no one said wolverine was getting out of webbing without claws so i don't know what the **** you're talkin about here.....
You've provided little explanation as to how Wolverine will free himself from the webbing when his arms are webbed up to something. You know as well as I do that has been the argument all along.
It's been demonstrated countless times in comics, and stated in Marvel handbooks that the webbing is difficult for CL100 characters to break without sufficient leverage, so how in the hell will Wolverine be able to free himself from it..or Cap and DD for that matter?
did you know that the guy who created spiderman put him up against a multitude of street level speed characters...and had him lose to very nonthreatening oponents in h2h....old decrepid vulture for one.....explain how he can suddenly fight hulk...that doesn't make sense according to your beliefs.
Do you know what a plot device is? I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but I'm really starting to wonder. Heroes in comic books are usually shown having difficulty with their opponents, regardless of the opponents physical attributes. Sometimes a character is shown to defeat an opponent much stronger/more powerful than themselves. Other times they are shown to get "owned" by an opponent who is much weaker. This is done by the writer, for the sake of keeping the storyline unpredictable/entertaining.
SM, Wolverine, Cap, DD..have all had less than stellar showings against weaker opponents in all of their respective comics, however, this still doesn't negate each characters predefined abilities/limitations, which is what many use to determine the outcomes of these "hypothetical battles."
Arguments that are inconsistent with a character and his/her abilities, are usually recognized as being derived from "plot devices" within a particular comic, and are usually excluded by a good debater when presenting an argument..
Originally posted by Wanderer259
To be fair, Spider-Man has to hit the three with his webbing before it becomes an issue and all three combatants are more than capable of dodging a web-line.
Yes but your missing something, based on his "history" of dodging faster opponents and his overall abilities. SM is definately capable of dodging all three combatants at the same time, correct?
So what stops him from dodging all the Trio's attacks, and jumping on top of a building and shooting webbing down at the Trio all the live long day?
Answer: Nothing.
This is all assuming of course that the battle takes place in the city, where it would definately be at his advantage. Now if we were to assume that this battle took place in a wide open field, then I would definately say that the Trio had a greater chance of subduing him..however it still isn't an autowin for them..seeing as how SM can distance himself from all 3 much quicker than they can attack.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
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Still swinging off jinzin's nuts?Cause thats all you do...
Funny how EVERYONE thinks I'm a better debater around here, than ANY of the stooges and nuthuggers here.I contribute>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you, remember that.
Swinging off nuts? 😆 😆 LMFAO
There's definitely a lot of homo eroticism and mutual effeminate admiration going on between many users in this forum. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the "male" posters pm'd love letters to one another..
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Jinzin..what the hell are ya talking about? SM has always been portrayed as being in the 10-20 ton range. In earlier issues, written by none other than "Stan the Man" Lee, he's demonstrated feats of strength which greatly exceed even this range.(ie building structures, large cars, etc)Stan generally pitted SM against characters much more powerful than himself, in fact if we were to go strictly by many earlier examples of the character, I would say that the original version of the wallcrawler would dispatch of the Trio much more effectively than the current version.
No one really cares about what examples you use, as long as they support some sort of logical/consistent argument, and an explanation is given supporting why the example should be considered.
The example you've given above is not consistent with any of the physical attributes that have been ascribed to Wolverine by Marvel, and you have not given any logical argument to support it, other than the typical "Well it happened.."
This is the typical type of argument you use while you debate, and as it has been pointed out to you numerous times, this type of rationale is foolish, seeing as how it can be applied to any type of argument presented in this forum.
(ie Spider Man was rejected by death, therefore he can not die..it happened right?!!)
You've provided little explanation as to how Wolverine will free himself from the webbing when his arms are webbed up to something. You know as well as I do that has been the argument all along.
It's been demonstrated countless times in comics, and stated in Marvel handbooks that the webbing is difficult for CL100 characters to break without sufficient leverage, so how in the hell will Wolverine be able to free himself from it..or Cap and DD for that matter?
Do you know what a plot device is? I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but I'm really starting to wonder. Heroes in comic books are usually shown having difficulty with their opponents, regardless of the opponents physical attributes. Sometimes a character is shown to defeat an opponent much stronger/more powerful than themselves. Other times they are shown to get "owned" by an opponent who is much weaker. This is done by the writer, for the sake of keeping the storyline unpredictable/entertaining.
SM, Wolverine, Cap, DD..have all had less than stellar showings against weaker opponents in all of their respective comics, however, this still doesn't negate each characters predefined abilities/limitations, which is what many use to determine the outcomes of these "hypothetical battles."
Arguments that are inconsistent with a character and his/her abilities, are usually recognized as being derived from "plot devices" within a particular comic, and are usually excluded by a good debater when presenting an argument..
are you aware that early spiderman had an incredibly difficult time with three normal guys...or vulture in h2h...or doom in a fist fight?
In any case....you only furthered my point I was attempting to make....
characters can alter from level to level on any given day....that does not mean that EVERYTHING one character does requires a seriously thought out explaination...(which btw I DID effectively explain how and why logan could have the ability to jump 30 feet into the air......somehow EVERYONE saw the pictures...and deems it fi to ***** about them freely...yet those same people, each and every one, missed the explaination....funny) but since you seemed to bring up inconsistancies....lets look at it like this...spiderman has the ability to take down owerwhelmingly superior foes using a combination of his speed, strength, webbing, agility, mindgames etc etc... HOWEVER....spiderman consistantly has a horrible time when he is confronted by well established and extraordinary fighters of this calibre....he consistantly dodges bullets...but has a hard time dodging fists and feet...
spiderman consistantly has a hard time bringing down daredevil
spiderman consistantly gets humiliated by cap....
spiderman consistantly gets his ass raped by wolverine alone.....
wolverine breaking out of webbing has been the question all along...so what? we all know that' he'd be using his claws to do it...if he can't...if spiderman pulls off him getting caught in an uncomprimising position such as that, then there are two other guys there to back him up..... so far spiderman hasn't been able to KEEP wolverine sufficiently webbed BY HIMSELF...there's no reason to believe that he can all of the sudden do it NOW...especially when you've got one guy there to get him out if he needed it and another guy there to keep spiderman buisy.....which all three of these guys are capable of....spiderman's tried to web his hands to the wall, he broke out before it adhered, he tried to web his hands to his face, wolvie got out when he FELT LIKE IT....spiderman' tried to web logan to keep him at bay from punisher....logan shredded through the stuff and flip kicked spiderman's sorry ass out of the way.....venom tried to web him up against a tree and stuck his claws into it to boot....wolverine got out...venom tried to completely encase him in symbiote...wolverine got out.....THUS FAR...there is no evidence to support that spiderman can even successfully web wolverine up let alone the three of these guys....while on the other hand..there is a bountiful amount of evidence to support the thesis that he can't even effectively web logan up alone.....
don't get me wrong, spiderman HAS webbed a ton of people up that are physically superior to logan....he's succesfully webbed up impressive heroes and villains alike rendering them useless....wolverine ain't one of them.... spiderman has been able to utilize his webbing in very effective and creative ways..... but not against wolverine....
of course you CAN argue PIS CIS for all of this...but the funny thing about that is....when you use that argument, you're arguing against a character that doesn't exist.....
Arguments that are inconsistent with a character and his/her abilities, are usually recognized as being derived from "plot devices" within a particular comic, and are usually excluded by a good debater when presenting an argument..
No, seriously. . .
Originally posted by jinzinWell yeah, I just think it's funny how anything on the pro-"spidey character" side is accepted.
"(of course you CAN argue PIS CIS for all of this...but the funny thing about that is....when you use that argument, you're arguing against a character that doesn't exist.....)"
Anything on the side against the spidey character is "not logical within the described abilities of the character"
Originally posted by jinzinDid you check the Doc Ock thread recently?
i like how spiderman and everyone spidey related can move instantaniously and generate cars out of nowhere.....why is wolverine NEVER fighting in his element?
cause it be too easy a victory for him that's why...
They're still arguing against wolverine's comic feats and for spiderman's comic feats.
And they still have yet to produce a profile link that shows how fast doc Ock's tentacles are. . . opting for the comic book feats. . .
you know the other funny thing is that they believe that ranged weaponry equates to an automatic win verus poor logan.....despite his feats.......but more importantly despite the fact that weapon-x training was all about how to negotiate taking down well trained opponents with....that's right...ranged weaponry......
I mean wolverine taking down namor is totally bs and should never be used...unless they use it to support logans lack of fighting ability because he jumped into getting batted by a steel rod from namor..then it's ok to use...but only THAT portion of it.....right 🙄
Originally posted by jinzinI also love how THEY can chose how the combatants fight, but not anyone else.
you know the other funny thing is that they believe that ranged weaponry equates to an automatic win verus poor logan.....despite his feats.......but more importantly despite the fact that weapon-x training was all about how to negotiate taking down well trained opponents with....that's right...ranged weaponry......I mean wolverine taking down namor is totally bs and should never be used...unless they use it to support logans lack of fighting ability because he jumped into getting batted by a steel rod from namor..then it's ok to use...but only THAT portion of it.....right 🙄
Originally posted by jinzin
actually we've explained those quite well....in one fight daredevil attacks wolverine striking for the neck before wolvierine even has the idea he may need to defend himself.....
big victory there....🙄in the next daredevil fights a brain washed logan who's distracted by a conversation in his head, aside from that his mission is only to stall daredevil while gorgon beats elektra down...wolverine gets hit staggers and ACCIDENTLY trips onto a sword....winner by circumstance.....daredevil using weapons and luck that are not ususally at his disposal.....big whoop 🙄
the only time that there were little circumstances helping daredevil out...even then he attacked logan from behind who didn't want to fight and was distracted by his hunt for TM.....withing 3 panals dd ended up in a full nellson....
dd can't take wolverine.....of course you would know that had you actually read the issues...but you haven't....
elektra.....well lets see here.....
elektra was able to OUTFIGHT an animalistic wolverine...a guy who's brain had developed into that of a dog....big deal.....
oh well there was that one time she got the drop on him from behind, while he was fighting 20 armed guards WHILE recovering from death itself......is that what you mean?
oh how about the one that bw was talking about...I guess it don't hurt that elektra and wolvie were at one point lovers....a circumstance that makes logan unable to help from holding back against her thus making the outcome even money...hell the same is even true for yukio..and we ALL know wolverine is TIMES her better....
so unless you have any examples of a straight up fight that's happened with either of the two i haven't listed...maybe you should stop bringing up those examples...because it's only becoming more and more obvious that it's YOU who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about....
sweet...lacking any further rebuttle...much less an EXPLAINATION to any of the questions I even asked...cordy deems fit to TELL me my beliefs..too bad it ain't working.....face it...you're getting worse at this by the day.....
It's not the point of if DD can take wolverine, its that fact that IT happened, I'm pointing out your fallace.
As far as this goes, w/e, this was a joke thread, until now...
You are making less conivincing arguments as we go, and I know damned well that me and never covered ALL of this...
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
It's not the point of if DD can take wolverine, its that fact that IT happened, I'm pointing out your fallace.
"It just happened" No explination?
your "hypocrisy" is astounding
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellSure was, three people that give spiderman a hard time teamed up against him . . and he does better than he normally does?
As far as this goes, w/e, this was a joke thread, until now...
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You are making less conivincing arguments as we go, and I know damned well that me and never covered ALL of this...
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
It's not the point of if DD can take wolverine, its that fact that IT happened, I'm pointing out your fallace.As far as this goes, w/e, this was a joke thread, until now...
You are making less conivincing arguments as we go, and I know damned well that me and never covered ALL of this...
actually that IS the point...it happened..yes...do I accept that it did?...of course.....
but what you seem to miss....constantly...is just HOW it happened....think of it like this...if spiderman stood there and said take your best shot...and logan went to punch him and had his claws come out at the very moment he was about to make contact and spiderman died because he was ignoring his spidersense because he was ready for a regular punch....then I could very well say well...wolverine beat spiderman...so he would win this right?
by your logic...I could...
funny thing is wolverine HAS beaten spiderman.....quite a bit too....😄
Originally posted by jinzin
actually that IS the point...it happened..yes...do I accept that it did?...of course.....but what you seem to miss....constantly...is just HOW it happened....think of it like this...if spiderman stood there and said take your best shot...and logan went to punch him and had his claws come out at the very moment he was about to make contact and spiderman died because he was ignoring his spidersense because he was ready for a regular punch....then I could very well say well...wolverine beat spiderman...so he would win this right?
by your logic...I could...
funny thing is wolverine HAS beaten spiderman.....quite a bit too....😄
Spiderman has beaten wolverine, what is a defeat to you, what are your conclusions.
Originally posted by Creshosk
"It just happened" No explination?your "hypocrisy" is astounding
Sure was, three people that give spiderman a hard time teamed up against him . . and he does better than he normally does?
"Stop swinging off of other people's nuts" is a convincing argument?
seriously...... hell cord... you aren't even convinced by facts...whether they are statstical or by feats in nature...as long as they prove you wrong they are automatically pis cis...what chance do me and cresh have of convincing you of anything....