Originally posted by jrodslam
True the trio doesnt have the strength of Spiderman, but they sure have better fighting skills than him. Wolverines durability would be on par with Spidermans. Fighting skills dont equal super powers true, but it does equal combat knowledge.If Spiderman grabbed Cap and DD with the intent of crushing their skulls, hed be able tp pull it off, yes. However It wouldnt be easy for Spidey to grab them at all.
Wolverine has a super healing factor, unlike Spiderman, DD, or Cap. That combined with the adamantium makes up for the reason hes able to take so much damage. Fights with the likes of Hulk, Namor are indded PIS and should never be taken seriously. However Strange, Cap, DD, and even Spiderman himself has taken punches from 100 cl people. So dont just have on wolverine for that. Hate all the top street levelers who do it. Spiderman shouldnt be able to take a hit from them just as much as the others.
Because Spiderman is more powerful than the 3, he does have weaknesses against them however. Can he withstand slashes or stabs from Wolverine? No. Even Hulk and Namor gets penetraterd, so you better believe the same can happen to Parker.
Bios arent the evidence. The comics are. Bios are full of crap sometimes, and so are the comics. But when we talk about what a character can do, we reffer to the comics. Bios are the ones that are innaccurate, misleading and contradictory. We have the Marvel Power Grids to blame for most of that. Thats why DC doesnt have them. Marvels bios put too much of a limit on the characters, so whenever we seem them after 40+ years in a comic and theyre doing soething totally different, were quick to b**ch and cry about it.
Im not speaking for Cap, but DD IS indeed quite capable of outmanuevering Spideys blows and webbing. Its part of his powers. Not one of the trio can evade the webbing? Are you serious? It would be like a tipycal day to DD avoiding them. Spidey would have a chance if these fights were one on one, but all three at the same time? No way.
Stop reffering to bios, and refer to the comics and what they do in them.
So, if we should only use the comics as references, why is it we can't use Spiderman defeating Firelord? Really, I'm not one to pull this argument out, as I'm sure you know, but The Mister poses a valid point. These characters are always doing things out of their bios. So, if you wanna take the comics then, we can use the Firelord-beating Spiderman in this fight.
And then that pretty much seals the trio's fate.
Originally posted by MetalmanxActually Wolverine would still be worse if we include SVFL feats. lol
So, if we should only use the comics as references, why is it we can't use Spiderman defeating Firelord? Really, I'm not one to pull this argument out, as I'm sure you know, but The Mister poses a valid point. These characters are always doing things out of their bios. So, if you wanna take the comics then, we can use the Firelord-beating Spiderman in this fight.And then that pretty much seals the trio's fate.
Originally posted by brainchild81
I just put secret Wars up there to get a response. It worked. You must've missed the part about comic characters aging differently than we do. Do you realize how old Spidey'd be if you were right about this?
it has nothing to do with his physical age.. rather his carreer... he was spiderman a good 60% longer before that fight.. than after that fight to this day.. you dig?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Actually I was refering to the bone claw stabbity of Thanos, but that's good too. . .
Yea. That's a good one, too. I just really wanted a chance to show off my wolverine8888 impression.
Or not dying when Hulk thrashes him. Or healing from a single cell.
God, there are so many.
Wolverine is just not interesting anymore. I know this is just my opinion and all, but come on. He never fears for his life, or fights like his life is on the line. Hell, he doesn't even fear fighting Magneto of all people. His character has just lost all of his features that once made him cool.
Maybe writers should have Wolverine alone destroy Galactus. That would be a holy day indeed.
The day I give up comic books completely.
Originally posted by Creshosk
And he certainly isn't holding back completely if he is shattering brick chimneys. . .Yes, he was going to kill the imposter. Not just knock out but kill. Or do you think an average human can take a brickshattering punch to the head?
that's the thing.. they think that a normal human surviving those kinds of hits like dd and cap do all the time is PIS and doesn't count for these battles.. but given that example and spiderman was holding back for the imposters safety? hmm the contradictions.. 🙄
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Yea. That's a good one, too. I just really wanted a chance to show off my wolverine8888 impression.Or not dying when Hulk thrashes him. Or healing from a single cell.
God, there are so many.
Wolverine is just not interesting anymore. I know this is just my opinion and all, but come on. He never fears for his life, or fights like his life is on the line. Hell, he doesn't even fear fighting Magneto of all people. His character has just lost all of his features that once made him cool.
Maybe writers should have Wolverine alone destroy Galactus. That would be a holy day indeed.
The day I give up comic books completely.
he almost did but he had bone claws at the time... 😂
how about his new power.. reviving after being beheaded.. how you like them apples?
Originally posted by MetalmanxIMO sm vs. fl made sense.. spiderman didn't exactly do it without a heap of plot devices and cis on firelords part to help him out.. if he had, well then that would have been a different story...
So, if we should only use the comics as references, why is it we can't use Spiderman defeating Firelord? Really, I'm not one to pull this argument out, as I'm sure you know, but The Mister poses a valid point. These characters are always doing things out of their bios. So, if you wanna take the comics then, we can use the Firelord-beating Spiderman in this fight.And then that pretty much seals the trio's fate.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
So, if we should only use the comics as references, why is it we can't use Spiderman defeating Firelord? Really, I'm not one to pull this argument out, as I'm sure you know, but The Mister poses a valid point. These characters are always doing things out of their bios. So, if you wanna take the comics then, we can use the Firelord-beating Spiderman in this fight.And then that pretty much seals the trio's fate.
In the Spiderman victory over Firelord, who was fighting to their potential or even close to it? Spiderman.
Along with the bios, power grids are also present and they cause readers to be misled, and confused. And Spiderman beating him was one of the biggest cases of PIS/CIS to many. Same goes for Deathstroke vs JLA, DD vs Namor, Wolverine vs Hulk.
However in this fight, Spiderman doesnt have as big of an advantage as some may think. Strength and range. Thats all. He doesnt have the experience(Cap, Wolverine), technique(Cap, Daredevil), durability(Wolverines claws) to win this fight. Anyone from the trio is well capable of beating Spidey on their own. They would all be close fights.
However...DD vs Namor, Wolverine vs Hulk, Spiderman vs Firelord, Yellowjacket vs Thor should not be close at all. Thats the point i was trying to make. This fight is once-sided, but to the trios advantage.
Originally posted by jinzinRead back a lil' bit. I don't really feel like explaining it again.
that's the thing.. they think that a normal human surviving those kinds of hits like dd and cap do all the time is PIS and doesn't count for these battles.. but given that example and spiderman was holding back for the imposters safety? hmm the contradictions.. 🙄
Originally posted by jinzinBut we were talking about his physical age to begin with. You been drinking Jinzin?
it has nothing to do with his physical age.. rather his carreer... he was spiderman a good 60% longer before that fight.. than after that fight to this day.. you dig?