Originally posted by jrodslam
Holding his punches like this? Wolvie still with a smile and not ko'd.
Yes yes, there actually exists something like bad writing. I was shocked at first too lol.
This is starting to get rediculous.
1. Spiderman was hitting Wolverine with everything he had, and Wolverine still wasnt knocked out.
2. Spiderman wouldnt be able to land a hand on DD nor any webbing.
3. Hes not a better fighter or fighting technician than any of the tree.
4. He not immune to pressure points, claws or a hit in the head with Caps shield.
Given, IF he does land his hardest successful punch on Cap or DD, they are done for. I admit that. But that a huge IF. Cap would be the easiest to hit out of the 3, but that would still be a task for Spidey alone. No way he wins this. The trio is just to good and skilled.
Originally posted by Smaxxer
Crap writing. Mistake of the writer. If he really would have used all his strength, street level hero Wolverine (and the tomb) would have been flying through the air. Or was it also an adamantium tomb ?Yes yes, there actually exists something like bad writing. I was shocked at first too lol.
Bad writing is everywhere in comics. It was also bad writing when Wolverine gutted Spidey with the claws, and Spidey wasnt R.I.P., right?
You have to look at it from both ways. Bad writing when Spidey ko's Rhino too right?
Originally posted by Smaxxer
Crap writing. Mistake of the writer. If he really would have used all his strength, street level hero Wolverine (and the tomb) would have been flying through the air. Or was it also an adamantium tomb ?Yes yes, there actually exists something like bad writing. I was shocked at first too lol.
bad writing seems to be whenever Spiderman is portrayed in bad light or Wolverine in good light.
Deal with it bud, Spiderman has NEVER been able to knock wolverine out by punching him. And has never even been able to even injure him.
Wolverine takes stronger punches, and now suddenly because your preceived vision of What Spiderman should be able to do to Wolverine has been shattered, suddenly it's "bad writing".
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Next I suppose you'll be telling me any other brick fight is reasonable? to 100 ton hitters slug each other and they don't budge. Like they suddenly wieght as much as they can hit.
Face facts bud. You're just upset because it didn't go the way you wanted it to. 😆
Originally posted by Creshosk
bad writing seems to be whenever Spiderman is portrayed in bad light or Wolverine in good light.Deal with it bud, Spiderman has NEVER been able to knock wolverine out by punching him. And has never even been able to even injure him.
Wolverine takes stronger punches, and now suddenly because your preceived vision of What Spiderman should be able to do to Wolverine has been shattered, suddenly it's "bad writing".
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Next I suppose you'll be telling me any other brick fight is reasonable? to 100 ton hitters slug each other and they don't budge. Like they suddenly wieght as much as they can hit.
Face facts bud. You're just upset because it didn't go the way you wanted it to. 😆
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Other things I find funny is how appearently its perfectly acceptable for Spiderman to have thrown Wolverine out of an "unbreakable " window.
Think about that, Tony Stark, IRON MAN, said that it was unbreakable. Don't you think that he would have tested it? This Character that is supposedly stronger than Spiderman's 15 ton mark COULD NOT BREAK IT. . . Yet this 15 ton character who is weaker than Iron Man succeds? And this is credible because this is supposedly bad light for Wolverine and good light for Spiderman?
Really now?
And tacked on to that, People say Wolverine should not be able to cut this, or wolverine should not beable to cut that. . . why? Because he isn't strong enough. . . And oh no, it has nothing to do with Wolverine's adamantium being able to perfectly exert all of Wolverine's force to a much smaller area. He just shouldn't be able to do it. Particularly reacently on the webbing. you only need 120 pounds per square milimeter. But appearently the edge of the blade exerting all of wolverine's force shouldn't be able to cut it.
Why? Because Spiderman himself is not able to break it. This character that GRABS webbing right after it comes out, and GRIPS it when its strong enough to hold his swinging weight, can't break out of his own webbing. . . Gee there seems to be another major error there. . .
But hey it's spiderman, so we'll overlook it. And attack Wolverine on his skeletal structure instead. 😉
Originally posted by jrodslam
Bad writing is everywhere in comics. It was also bad writing when Wolverine gutted Spidey with the claws, and Spidey wasnt R.I.P., right?You have to look at it from both ways. Bad writing when Spidey ko's Rhino too right?
But at least I have the guts to admit that Spider-Man stories are no stranger to bad writing. Wolverine is regarded as one of the most inconsistent character EVER, a minor detail that has been ignored by his worshippers.
Originally posted by Smaxxer
Rhino no. Hulk yes.But at least I have the guts to admit that Spider-Man stories are no stranger to bad writing. Wolverine is regarded as one of the most inconsistent character EVER, a minor detail that has been ignored by his worshippers.
We agree there. Wolverine Is the most inconsistent character of all time. Cant argue with that.
But why not Rhino? The guys no brain surgeon, but hes at least 4x Spidermans strength and durability.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Other things I find funny is how appearently its perfectly acceptable for Spiderman to have thrown Wolverine out of an "unbreakable " window.Think about that, Tony Stark, IRON MAN, said that it was unbreakable. Don't you think that he would have tested it? This Character that is supposedly stronger than Spiderman's 15 ton mark COULD NOT BREAK IT. . . Yet this 15 ton character who is weaker than Iron Man succeds? And this is credible because this is supposedly bad light for Wolverine and good light for Spiderman?
Wolverine had ONE good showing against Spider-Man, in a fight that is twenty years old, and in which he all of a sudden appeared as fast as Spider-Man ? A thing he never repeated though...
And Spider-Man was afraid of Wolverine ? Why wasn't he afraid of him in Secret Wars ? Or why wasn't he afraid when Wolverine tried to scare him in the Wendigo run ? He wasn't scared either when he threw him through the window, or webbed him up, or put a hurting on him in the training room. He always makes fun of him.
ONE twenty year old fight that ended in a draw and in which Wolverine himself said Spider-Man could kill him, and you act like it's all written in stone.
If I didn't know any better, I would almost think you were a Wolverine fanboy.And tacked on to that, People say Wolverine should not be able to cut this, or wolverine should not beable to cut that. . . why? Because he isn't strong enough. . . And oh no, it has nothing to do with Wolverine's adamantium being able to perfectly exert all of Wolverine's force to a much smaller area. He just shouldn't be able to do it. Particularly reacently on the webbing. you only need 120 pounds per square milimeter. But appearently the edge of the blade exerting all of wolverine's force shouldn't be able to cut it.
Blah blah blah. He isn't strong enough to break free from webbing. He can cut it, yes, but not break free.
Spider-Man himself can not break free smart guy, and he's at least ten times stronger than Wolverine.Why? Because Spiderman himself is not able to break it. This character that GRABS webbing right after it comes out, and GRIPS it when its strong enough to hold his swinging weight, can't break out of his own webbing. . . Gee there seems to be another major error there. . .
Too bad you only see the so-called errors when Spider-Man is involved. You ARE a Wolverine Fanboy after all.
Congratulations, you made it to the list.
Originally posted by jrodslam
We agree there. Wolverine Is the most inconsistent character of all time. Cant argue with that.
But why not Rhino? The guys no brain surgeon, but hes at least 4x Spidermans strength and durability.
Originally posted by SmaxxerBecause I'm mirroring your tactics genius.
I find it funny how you suddenly became all nitpicky when Spider-Man dares to shine a bit. Why don't you do the same with Wolverine ?
Originally posted by SmaxxerRight. . and the others would be...?
Wolverine had ONE good showing against Spider-Man,
Originally posted by SmaxxerNot to people who obviously never read his books, as you obviously never read his books to make such an obtuse statment like that.
in a fight that is twenty years old, and in which he all of a sudden appeared as fast as Spider-Man ? A thing he never repeated though...
Originally posted by Smaxxerright the PIS factory that gave Doom a blackhole to power his suit, Spioderman's magic webs that neutrilize mutant powers, and characters that don't try as hard as the normally do.
And Spider-Man was afraid of Wolverine ? Why wasn't he afraid of him in Secret Wars ?
Originally posted by SmaxxerProved my point above right there fanboy.
[B]Or why wasn't he afraid when Wolverine tried to scare him in the Wendigo run ? He wasn't scared either when he threw him through the window,[/]b
Originally posted by Creshosk
Because I'm mirroring your tactics genius.
Not to people who obviously never read his books, as you obviously never read his books to make such an obtuse statment like that.
right the PIS factory that gave Doom a blackhole to power his suit, Spioderman's magic webs that neutrilize mutant powers, and characters that don't try as hard as the normally do.
Proved my point above right there fanboy.
You have a bad habit for ignoring peoples posts and keep on rambling, don't you ?
Originally posted by Smaxxer
Yup you certainly got a point. Since the Wolverine fans don't know what's crap writing anymore, the Spider-Man defenders can now say that:- Spider-Man has held his own for a pretty long fight against an angry Silver Surfer (written by Stan Lee wiseguys)
a silver surfer who.. held back on one occasion.. and was practically fighting himself on another..
Originally posted by Smaxxer
- Has beaten the Hulk with his bare hands
Originally posted by Smaxxer
- Has beaten Firelord with his bare hands
Originally posted by Smaxxer
- Has beaten Titania with his bare hands
Originally posted by Smaxxer
- Has beaten Rhino with his bare hands
The list goes on...
Originally posted by Smaxxer
- So all of a sudden, he would have trouble with three street level punks ? 😆
it's not all of the sudden..
for decades these three trio members have given spiderman fits on their own.. together the math adds up that he's lose simple as..
Originally posted by Smaxxer
- Come on, gimme a break. Don't forget bloodlust is on people, he won't be holding his punches like he normally does. No more mr. Nice guy.
he's already proven not to hold back against wolverine and it was ineffectual... if wolverine in turn doesn't hold back.. that doesn't bode well for spiderman...
Originally posted by jinzin
a silver surfer who.. held back on one occasion.. and was practically fighting himself on another..
no he did it by smacking hulk in the noggin with a cement truck...
But when I say with his bare hands, I mean he didn't use some super weapon that he just happened to carry with him. It was most of the time a fist fight, and he finished him with the cement truck.
Happy now ? lolactually he beat firelord with a large amount of CIS on firelords part (holding back) and multiple plot devices... he only took it to firelord AFTER the plot devices came into effect..
When Spider-Man is holding back on street level enemies, that's also a large amount of CIS on Spider-Mans part.
And no, in THIS fight, he truly beat Firelord with his fists. Not even you will argue about this.a feat which would have almost been impressive if titania's durability wasn't displayed to be weak as shit.. she got knocked out by a car wreck.. roughouse punched a moving car into debris and wolverine took him out with his fists alone.. his feat is better by comparison..
Yeah whatever. Titania is a powerhouse and nearly beat She-Hulk to death.rhino's probably one of the most literally idiotic characters on mu earth
Doesn't matter, still strong and tough.he's already proven not to hold back against wolverine and it was ineffectual... if wolverine in turn doesn't hold back.. that doesn't bode well for spiderman...
If there's one person who almost never holds back, than it's got to be Wolverine. Or do you think he uses those razor sharp claws of his for fun ?
actauly wolverine hold back all the time.u ever notice when wolverine goes for killing strikes he kills the guys he fighting. wolverine most often then not when on x-men mission he does use his claws but he aims them only to take out his opponet not to kill them as he has said and it and has been shown many many times. also by the way wolverine took calabian,rough-house and many other stronger opponets with his fists a lone. hell wolverine sue to fight rough-house on a regular base with his fists and never lost.
Originally posted by Smaxxer
I think we have read different stories.
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Well to be precise, he finished Hulk with the cement truck.But when I say with his bare hands, I mean he didn't use some super weapon that he just happened to carry with him. It was most of the time a fist fight, and he finished him with the cement truck.
Happy now ? lol
Originally posted by Smaxxer
When Spider-Man is holding back on street level enemies, that's also a large amount of CIS on Spider-Mans part.
he wasn't holding back on wolverine.. he's proven not to hold back on daredevil on two occasion.. both occasions he didn't beat daredevil.. and on one of those occasion DD knocked his ass out cold...
Originally posted by Smaxxer
And no, in THIS fight, he truly beat Firelord with his fists. Not even you will argue about this.
ummm yes.. yes I will cause I've read the damned book.. maybe you've just seen scans of the end of the fight but whether you read it or not isn't important.. what is important however is that spiderman had an ENORMOUS amount of help from both MULITPLE plot devices and a huge amount of CIS on firelord's behalf...
again.. if you are truly trying to argue that spidey can win that fight with his fists alone you are far beyond our hellp here.. 🙄
Originally posted by Smaxxer
Yeah whatever. Titania is a powerhouse and nearly beat She-Hulk to death.
Originally posted by Smaxxeryes brute strength is EVERYTHING in a fight.. 🙄
Doesn't matter, still strong and tough.
Originally posted by Smaxxer
If there's one person who almost never holds back, than it's got to be Wolverine. Or do you think he uses those razor sharp claws of his for fun ?
this is just sad..
you really ARE proving not to know too much about wolverine if you truly think the guy never holds back..
fact: wolverine's held back in every enocunter with spiderman...
fact:wolverine's only ever hit a true berserker rage about several times in the comics... if he does so in this fight, spiderman dies, simple as is...
Originally posted by jrodslam
True the trio doesnt have the strength of Spiderman, but they sure have better fighting skills than him. Wolverines durability would be on par with Spidermans. Fighting skills dont equal super powers true, but it does equal combat knowledge.If Spiderman grabbed Cap and DD with the intent of crushing their skulls, hed be able tp pull it off, yes. However It wouldnt be easy for Spidey to grab them at all.
Wolverine has a super healing factor, unlike Spiderman, DD, or Cap. That combined with the adamantium makes up for the reason hes able to take so much damage. Fights with the likes of Hulk, Namor are indded PIS and should never be taken seriously. However Strange, Cap, DD, and even Spiderman himself has taken punches from 100 cl people. So dont just have on wolverine for that. Hate all the top street levelers who do it. Spiderman shouldnt be able to take a hit from them just as much as the others.
Because Spiderman is more powerful than the 3, he does have weaknesses against them however. Can he withstand slashes or stabs from Wolverine? No. Even Hulk and Namor gets penetraterd, so you better believe the same can happen to Parker.
Bios arent the evidence. The comics are. Bios are full of crap sometimes, and so are the comics. But when we talk about what a character can do, we reffer to the comics. Bios are the ones that are innaccurate, misleading and contradictory. We have the Marvel Power Grids to blame for most of that. Thats why DC doesnt have them. Marvels bios put too much of a limit on the characters, so whenever we seem them after 40+ years in a comic and theyre doing soething totally different, were quick to b**ch and cry about it.
Im not speaking for Cap, but DD IS indeed quite capable of outmanuevering Spideys blows and webbing. Its part of his powers. Not one of the trio can evade the webbing? Are you serious? It would be like a tipycal day to DD avoiding them. Spidey would have a chance if these fights were one on one, but all three at the same time? No way.
Stop reffering to bios, and refer to the comics and what they do in them.
Mad props on a good post but I prefer bios because they don't leave so much up in the air like comics do. Comics can be interpereted differently based on the individual readers. True character bios do not use a grid, they specifically define the characters abilities and history. The comics do contradict the bios but nowhere near as often as many people imply. This usually happens the most with characters that are defined as possesing no physical superhuman powers. regularly they are shown doing superhuman feats and surviving superhuman levels of damage. Doesn't mean that I just accept whatever I'm given though.
Wolverine has been shown to be on all sorts of different levels in the comics. I really don't care because many depections of many characters contradict themselves. I can't really say that I've read contradictory character bios though I have seen grids that are vague and misleading. I was trying to see with my last post if there was any real way that the trio holds the odds.....
In my non-biased opinion (seriously) I don't see the trio as the formidable force that some people see them as. Wolverine can't negate the webbing and neither can the others for they're all far too weak. I'm not making this up cause I've been reading comics and researching characters since I was a kid. The three are also far slower and lack the manueverabilty of Spider-man. If strength doesn't equal durability then why is the Hulk so tough? Cap and DD don't have access to the durabilty that superhuman strength gives nor the speed that it augments.
The odds aren't in their favor at all according to the definitions of the characters. If you want to go by the comics then they stalemate once they realize that they're all good guys.
I have enjoyed this particular thread though so mad props to all the supporters of each side. 😮💨
