Originally posted by StiltmanFTWHe can dodge them for a long time. But he doesn't need to. He can easily hit them. He can easily Web them. A dodge and coubter hit or a Dodge and counter Web. Or just Web them first and ko them one at a time.
He can dodge some attacks, sure. Just can't dodge them forever. Especially not at the same time.Spider-Man has never been depicted as some Untouchable God you're wanting him to be.
Guess since Cap and Logan have literally outrunned bullets, they never should've gotten tagged by guys like Batroc or Shredder, huh...?
Cap can't outrun bullets. That showing was either a mistake in drawing, misinterpreted (the first 3 shots missed), or PIS. Cap can only run 60mph tops (under duress) and about 35-45mph on average.
Logan definitely can't outrun or dodge bullets (after they entered the air headed for him). Logan caught a bullet in a non canon comic.
This is a easy fight for Spider-Man.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWShow me where a laser entered the air where Logan wasn't in a blocking position and then he achieved a blocking position to actually block the laser. Because even humans can block lasers if they start blocking before it is fired. 2nd, some writers don't write Cyclops OB as the speed of light. Plus Cyclops Telegraphs by putting his hand on his visor.
In canon comics, Logan has blocked lasers and dodged&batted away lightspeed fast optic blasts from Cyclops...Nothing about this fight is easy for Parker, considering that each combatant on the team is capable of solo'ing him. As seen in comics you don't read 😉
Anyway, even if Logan did block something the speed of light AFTER reacting to it being in the air then it isn't usable since that qualifies as PIS. Logan cannot move even 1% of the speed of light. He can't even move faster than sound.
There's nothing stopping Parker from koing DD and Cap in a single hit or merely webbing them with a wide spray.
Originally posted by carver9Because the truth is irritating.
h1 is irritating
Truth: Spider-Man is multiple times faster than anyone on the team.
Truth 2: No one on the team can break the non PIS webbing.
Truth 3. Spider-Man can one shot DD in a forum fight and possibly Cap if he wanted to. CIS might prevent that from happening though.
Truth 4: Spider-Man can spam the whole area with webbing, trapping all the them.
Truth 5: Spider-Man has Pre cog and can be warned of danger right BEFORE it happens.
Truth 6: Spidey can simply walk up to Cap and take the shield. And there is absolutely nothing Cap can do about it.
Truth 6 is irrelevant to this fight since Spider-Man doesn't necessarily need to take the shield away.
Originally posted by h1a8
Because the truth is irritating.Truth: Spider-Man is multiple times faster than anyone on the team.
Truth 2: No one on the team can break the non PIS webbing.
Truth 3. Spider-Man can one shot DD in a forum fight and possibly Cap if he wanted to. CIS might prevent that from happening though.
Truth 4: Spider-Man can spam the whole area with webbing, trapping all the them.
Truth 5: Spider-Man has Pre cog and can be warned of danger right BEFORE it happens.
Truth 6: Spidey can simply walk up to Cap and take the shield. And there is absolutely nothing Cap can do about it.Truth 6 is irrelevant to this fight since Spider-Man doesn't necessarily need to take the shield away.
1. If Spiderman has showing proving he is faster than them I call PIS.
2. They've broke his webbing before, if they can't break it again I call PIS.
3. Spiderman has punched Daredevil before without it koing him. If he has done it before in comics or if he does it here, I call PIS.
4. These beings has dodged things faster than webbing. If they get hit by webbing here, I call PIS.
5. Spiderman has fought these peeps before with his precog on and they were able to tag him. If they can't hit him here I call PIS.
6. Spiderman has tried to take Cap shield and regretted it in the long run. If he walks up to Cap and take his shield away from him in this battle, I call PIS.
Originally posted by carver9
1. If Spiderman has showing proving he is faster than them I call PIS.
2. They've broke his webbing before, if they can't break it again I call PIS.
3. Spiderman has punched Daredevil before without it koing him. If he has done it before in comics or if he does it here, I call PIS.
4. These beings has dodged things faster than webbing. If they get hit by webbing here, I call PIS.
5. Spiderman has fought these peeps before with his precog on and they were able to tag him. If they can't hit him here I call PIS.
6. Spiderman has tried to take Cap shield and regretted it in the long run. If he walks up to Cap and take his shield away from him in this battle, I call PIS.
PIS is what occurs in comics. You can't call PIS on things that will happen in a forum fight.
1. Spider-Man has moved out of the way of a bullet when it was 4 inches away. This is more than 15x faster than anything they have done. Spider-Man has dodged bullets and lasers (before they were fired) thousands of times like a day job. It's his norm.
2. No they haven't. Logan used claws. I busted the scans already. It takes 10 tons of strength to break a single line of webbing. Neither Cap nor Logan will be operating at 10 tons of strength in a forum fight.
3. Spider-Man holds back. So it's not PIS (but CIS). In this thread Spider-Man will one shot DD. Unless you think DD bones and flesh is stronger than solid steel.
4. How fast is webbing? Spider-Man has webbed bullets. Also I said Spider-Man spams webbing over the whole area. Wide spread webbing. Or just smacks a member and follows up with webbing. No one here can fly. The moment they enter the air then they are defenseless again the webbing.
5. Hitting Spider-Man with Pre cog on and moving slower than a bullet is a contradiction. Contradictions don't exist in forum fights.
6. Cap can't prevent Spider-Man from taking his shield with ease. There's nothing cap can do if Spider-Man just walks up and takes it. Give me a something you think cap can do and I'll give you a common sense way Spider-Man still takes it.
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Originally posted by h1a8
PIS is what occurs in comics. You can't call PIS on things that will happen in a forum fight.1. Spider-Man has moved out of the way of a bullet when it was 4 inches away. This is more than 15x faster than anything they have done. Spider-Man has dodged bullets and lasers (before they were fired) thousands of times like a day job. It's his norm.
2. No they haven't. Logan used claws. I busted the scans already. It takes 10 tons of strength to break a single line of webbing. Neither Cap nor Logan will be operating at 10 tons of strength in a forum fight.
3. Spider-Man holds back. So it's not PIS (but CIS). In this thread Spider-Man will one shot DD. Unless you think DD bones and flesh is stronger than solid steel.
4. How fast is webbing? Spider-Man has webbed bullets. Also I said Spider-Man spams webbing over the whole area. Wide spread webbing. Or just smacks a member and follows up with webbing. No one here can fly. The moment they enter the air then they are defenseless again the webbing.
5. Hitting Spider-Man with Pre cog on and moving slower than a bullet is a contradiction. Contradictions don't exist in forum fights.
6. Cap can't prevent Spider-Man from taking his shield with ease. There's nothing cap can do if Spider-Man just walks up and takes it. Give me a something you think cap can do and I'll give you a common sense way Spider-Man still takes it.
I can call PIS when I want too. I learned it from the best.
1. Cap has outran bullets. Spiderman hitting him is PIS.
2. Logan has busted out of his webbing before. Anybody failing to do it whos weaker than Logan, I call PIS.
3. Daredevil has withstood Parker punches before. Its PIS if Parker ever koed him in comics or on the forum in this fight.
4. These beings has dodged things faster than webbing. PIS if webbing hits any of these people.
5. They move faster than bullets and has hit him before. Any other time shown in comics with Parker dodging any of these peeps is PIS.
6. Spiderman has tried to take Cap shield and failed. If it has happened on panel before and Spidey took his shield, its PIS.
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
And nobody has even realized how useless Spidey's webs are against this combination. If he webs up Wolverine, either Cap or DD could chop through the webbing using Cap's shield while the other kept Spidey occupied and distracted, and even if he moves in on the webbed up guy or the guy freeing him, he is left vulnerable to a pressure point strike from any of the three, especially considering Matt's ability to sense weak points in objects using his radar sense usable both on Spidey and his webbing. If one of the other two or even both are webbed up, Wolverine could slice through it in seconds with bullet blocking speed, and since he has enough feats of freeing team members by cutting their bonds without harming them, they won't have a problem. Ergo, Spidey's webs are worthless/pointless in this matchup
Re: ts
Originally posted by carver9
I can call PIS when I want too. I learned it from the best.1. Cap has outran bullets. Spiderman hitting him is PIS.
2. Logan has busted out of his webbing before. Anybody failing to do it whos weaker than Logan, I call PIS.
3. Daredevil has withstood Parker punches before. Its PIS if Parker ever koed him in comics or on the forum in this fight.
4. These beings has dodged things faster than webbing. PIS if webbing hits any of these people.
5. They move faster than bullets and has hit him before. Any other time shown in comics with Parker dodging any of these peeps is PIS.
6. Spiderman has tried to take Cap shield and failed. If it has happened on panel before and Spidey took his shield, its PIS.
You can't call PIS whenwhen you want to. It has to refer to something that happens in a comic, not a forum fight.
1. Cap didn't outran a bullet. I debunked the feat already and years ago. Plus if Cap did then it would be PIS by definition. What's important is that he's not able to run faster than 60mph in a forum.
2. Logan used claws. If he would have uses 100% strength then it would be PIS since Logan is weaker than class 10. What's important is that Logan will be operating with less than 10 tons of strength and a line of webbing at 10 tons of strength.
3. CIS, not PIS. Parker can kill DD in a blow if he wanted to.
4. They haven't dodged anything with the combined speed and area of the webbing. They have no defense against a hit into a Web combo.
5. They move slower than bullets. Not once did any of them move faster than a bullet. And in a forum fight, they will move slower than bullets. That's all that matters.
6. He can take the shield in a forum fight with ease. That's all that matters.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/130854/2525714-astonishing.jpg
Another instance of Logan breaking free of the webs. So 4 times
Originally posted by HulkIsHulkit was the claws all 4 times. Don't you see what the writer is trying to portray? Otherwise Either Logan is stronger than class 50 or spideys webs are weaker than class 5. Since neither is true in a forum then it doesn't matter.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/130854/2525714-astonishing.jpg
Another instance of Logan breaking free of the webs. So 4 times
