Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Come, now.The armour EXPLODED at point blank range.
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The scans in your post will appear invisible for h1. You've been long enough here to realize that, LightSinner.
I find it impossible that he hasn't seen it earlier, btw. Been reposted dozens and dozens of times in every Cap thread possible.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85I know. But it boils down to 2 possible things.
Come, now.The armour EXPLODED at point blank range.
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If Cap's armor was on a steel mannequin (instead) when it blew up then would the steel mannequin have shattered? Or would it have been in good shape with a few minor scuffs? If the former then we must decide PIS since Cap's body is not stronger than steel, otherwise he would be bulletproof. If the latter then the feat is moot to the discussion.
Originally posted by h1a8
I know. But it boils down to 2 possible things.If Cap's armor was on a steel mannequin (instead) when it blew up then would the steel mannequin have shattered? Or would it have been in good shape with a few minor scuffs? If the former then we must decide PIS since Cap's body is not stronger than steel, otherwise he would be bulletproof. If the latter then the feat is moot to the discussion.
That's...not what you initially said.
You were bringing up him wearing armour as if it afforded him extra protection. Now you're changing your tune.
The steel mannequin does not have a HF, plus toughness. What if the mannequin was in good shape with a few minor scuffs?
Originally posted by h1a8
I never said Cap didn't dodge after the bullet was fired. I know that he did.
Completely dodging a bullet when it is a few inches away is more than 15x faster than barely getting one's head out of the way when the bullet is 5 ft away. Proof:
5 ft is 60 inches. Spidey moved his entire body out of the way when the bullet was 4inches away. This is more than 15 times less distance than 5ft. There is no contest.Prove that the webbing is softer the moment it strikes the target vs. A few seconds later. Because Spidey has many times instantly webbed objects that weighed tonnage.
Spidey can one shot DD, Web both Cap and Wolverine, then ko Cap before Wolverine breaks free.
I don't consider fights filled with PIS. Spidey is faster than a bullet and has Pre cog. He knows the attack is coming before it does. In a forum fight, it would be near impossible for someone without grade A speed to even physically touch him.
Cap ducked and threw his shield in one move... so he can dodge and attack at the same time... you're right, there is no contest 😛
It's something Parker himself noticed... the way Steve moves...
I've seen him fight dozens of times, tried to study his moves... but until this moment, I never realized... there ARE no moves. It's all just ONE move, from start to finish.
That's just one of explanations why Parker's webbing failed to incapacitate numerous opponents. You don't like it, k... then we can just accept the webbing is not really that strong on average.
DD had Richards made him a suit that protects him from superhuman blows just fine... even without that, it's next to impossible land a clean punch on a guy with super-senses trained by Stick.
Cap and Wolvie are just allowing Parker to web them up? 😂 It's not some kinky bukkake fantasy of yours. We've seen what happened in the Spider-Man vs. Cap fight --- Parker wasted precious seconds on webbing Cap's shield and got punched in the ribs. Now imagine if it was Wolverine who attacked, instead of Steve.
Parker needed time to web Wolverine up the right way, who had his claws sheathed, in a non-fight scenario. He doesn't have that here.
Limited pre-cog. Even the Punisher has that in comics, fyi. He never had trouble landing hits on Spidey, either.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85I forgot the feat actually. I though Gambit had exploded something on him, not his actual armor. I forgot that Gambit had actually charged his armor. But my new point still stands.
That's...not what you initially said.You were bringing up him wearing armour as if it afforded him extra protection. Now you're changing your tune.
The steel mannequin does not have a HF, plus toughness. What if the mannequin was in good shape with a few minor scuffs?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cap ducked and threw his shield in one move... so he can dodge and attack at the same time... you're right, there is no contest 😛It's something Parker himself noticed... the way Steve moves...
I've seen him fight dozens of times, tried to study his moves... but until this moment, I never realized... there [b]ARE
no moves. It's all just ONE move, from start to finish.That's just one of explanations why Parker's webbing failed to incapacitate numerous opponents. You don't like it, k... then we can just accept the webbing is not really that strong on average.
DD had Richards made him a suit that protects him from superhuman blows just fine... even without that, it's next to impossible land a clean punch on a guy with super-senses trained by Stick.
Cap and Wolvie are just allowing Parker to web them up? 😂 It's not some kinky bukkake fantasy of yours. We've seen what happened in the Spider-Man vs. Cap fight --- Parker wasted precious seconds on webbing Cap's shield and got punched in the ribs. Now imagine if it was Wolverine who attacked, instead of Steve.
Parker needed time to web Wolverine up the right way, who had his claws sheathed, in a non-fight scenario. He doesn't have that here.
Limited pre-cog. Even the Punisher has that in comics, fyi. He never had trouble landing hits on Spidey, either. [/B]
That entire fight is PIS and not useable. Cap would easily appear to a statue to Spidey. Cap doesn't throw punches faster than the speed of bullets and lasers.
Part of the fight was CIS since Spidey can one shot Cap if he really wanted to.
Spidey is more than 15times faster than DD. I proven it with math already. Plus DD would appear almost motionless to Spidey.
Spidey can spray the whole scene with webbing. His speed is faster than theirs. He can either wide spray it or just smack them and web them (combo).
Spidey webs both Cap and DD easily (or one shots them) and then easily beats Logan.
You are naming PIS events. Spidey can't both dodge thousands of bullets and lasers without ever getting hit and then get hit by things significantly slower without it being plot based.
or spidey can just physically walk up take Steve's shield away and there is nothing Steve can do about it.
Originally posted by h1a8
That entire fight is PIS and not useable. Cap would easily appear to a statue to Spidey. Cap doesn't throw punches faster than the speed of bullets and lasers.
Part of the fight was CIS since Spidey can one shot Cap if he really wanted to.Spidey is more than 15times faster than DD. I proven it with math already. Plus DD would appear almost motionless to Spidey.
Spidey can spray the whole scene with webbing. His speed is faster than theirs. He can either wide spray it or just smack them and web them (combo).
Spidey webs both Cap and DD easily (or one shots them) and then easily beats Logan.
You are naming PIS events. Spidey can't both dodge thousands of bullets and lasers without ever getting hit and then get hit by things significantly slower without it being plot based.
Says who? You? Sorry, you don't make the rules here. You don't even have the idea who wrote that fight, do you...?
Your math...? 😂 Daredevil has actually beaten Parker. On panel. Knocked him out...
Wide spray? Okay. A viable tactic, sure. But Wolverine can do his quasi-magical ninja vanish thing and avoid that. Other two have ranged attacks of their own, attacks that have given Peter trouble before; shield has kept him occupied for a decent time. Fact. Billy club cable has incapacitated him. Those distractions are all that Wolverine needs to end this.
You realize that Wolverine, DD and Cap have dodged bullets and lasers spam, too? Newsflash, Spider-Man is not special. And they all get tagged in the melee combat anyway.
Originally posted by h1a8
or spidey can just physically walk up take Steve's shield away and there is nothing Steve can do about it.
Namor tried that. And failed.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Says who? You? Sorry, you don't make the rules here. You don't even have the idea who wrote that fight, do you...?Your math...? 😂 Daredevil has actually beaten Parker. On panel. Knocked him out...
Wide spray? Okay. A viable tactic, sure. But Wolverine can do his quasi-magical ninja vanish thing and avoid that. Other two have ranged attacks of their own, attacks that have given Peter trouble before; shield has kept him occupied for a decent time. Fact. Billy club cable has incapacitated him. Those distractions are all that Wolverine needs to end this.
You realize that Wolverine, DD and Cap have dodged bullets and lasers spam, too? Newsflash, Spider-Man is not special. And they all get tagged in the melee combat anyway.
Namor tried that. And failed.
So Spider-Man able to dodge bullets after they are 4in away from him but can't dodge their attacks? Even if the SS warns him before the attack?
It's PIS because Spidey has dodged bullets and energy beams thousands of times with insane success rate. Point a gun at Spidey from 4ft away. Pull the trigger and watch you miss. Yet an attack traveling 5x slower could hit him, even if he is warned before it happens? PIS all day long. Otherwise, we would get a contradiction.
Spidey getting tagged by slower enemies is blatantly ignoring that he can dodge bullets and lasers on a near 100% success rate. The two can't happen at the same time. It's like saying Thor can lift a 50ton tank and not able to lift a car at the same time.
Wolverine doesn't have magical abilities. What are you talking about? He can now teleport? Really?
He can dodge some attacks, sure. Just can't dodge them forever. Especially not at the same time.
Spider-Man has never been depicted as some Untouchable God you're wanting him to be.
Guess since Cap and Logan have literally outrunned bullets, they never should've gotten tagged by guys like Batroc or Shredder, huh...?
Originally posted by h1a8
Wolverine doesn't have magical abilities. What are you talking about? He can now teleport? Really?
He kinda does. His skeleton protects him from demonic possession, he used to be unable to die because of the deal with the Angel of Death... but I digress.
The ninja vanish trick is a quasi-magical ability in the media, especially in comics, since there is just no way you can explain how they do it. No smoke bomb cheating, just outright disappearing from enemy's view.
That's another thing you don't get about comics; at a high enough level, martial artists are doing supernatural things there. All three combatants are at that level.
Originally posted by h1a8He got his ass kicked by a better, more experienced fighter. Get over yourself
That entire fight is PIS and not useable. Cap would easily appear to a statue to Spidey. Cap doesn't throw punches faster than the speed of bullets and lasers.
Part of the fight was CIS since Spidey can one shot Cap if he really wanted to.Spidey is more than 15times faster than DD. I proven it with math already. Plus DD would appear almost motionless to Spidey.
Spidey can spray the whole scene with webbing. His speed is faster than theirs. He can either wide spray it or just smack them and web them (combo).
Spidey webs both Cap and DD easily (or one shots them) and then easily beats Logan.
You are naming PIS events. Spidey can't both dodge thousands of bullets and lasers without ever getting hit and then get hit by things significantly slower without it being plot based.
or spidey can just physically walk up take Steve's shield away and there is nothing Steve can do about it.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Spider-Man has never been depicted as some Untouchable God you're wanting him to be.
And nobody has even realized how useless Spidey's webs are against this combination. If he webs up Wolverine, either Cap or DD could chop through the webbing using Cap's shield while the other kept Spidey occupied and distracted, and even if he moves in on the webbed up guy or the guy freeing him, he is left vulnerable to a pressure point strike from any of the three, especially considering Matt's ability to sense weak points in objects using his radar sense. If one of the other two or even both are webbed up, Wolverine could slice through it in seconds with bullet blocking speed, and since he has enough feats of freeing team members by cutting their bonds without harming them, they won't have a problem. Ergo, Spidey's webs are worthless/pointless in this matchup
