Originally posted by h1a8
He can't use the SS against peter here. If you disagree then give one clear valid example of how Cap can.
By maneuvering Spidey into a position where he gets tagged.
It's like chess. You have precog and can see four steps ahead. I am a chess master who has planned the entire chess match in my head, and no matter what you do, all you can see is you marching to your doom.
Moreover, when facing these three combatants his SS would be going off like crazy anyway. But that is a very minor point.
Like here, the SS goes off. That doesn't mean he can react to it, because by then it is too late:
And again:
That punch numbed Parker below the waist, by the by. Imagine if it was then followed up by a simple claw stab?
And that's just against a single guy, Cap. Who can maneuver Spidey into positions where, SS or not, he's still getting tagged. Now he has Wolverine (who has speed feats and Spidey feats of his own) and DD.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That punch numbed Parker below the waist, by the by.
And Pete had a bulletproof suit there.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Imagine if it was then followed up by a simple claw stab?
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Even a non-lethal stab wound in a sparring session caused Pete to pass out from the blood loss.
PS. Daredevil is being severely underestimated here.
Originally posted by MatchesMalone
I think Spiderman's dominating speed and spidersense would enable to easily avoid any and all attacks that this team can provide. Furthermore, his super strength and his webbing would grant him the means to systematically defeat them, one by one. Due to Wolverine's healing, I think Logan would be the last to be taken out. Just to give you an idea of what I picture this battle looking like, check this out(I don't know how to make links, so use cut and paste):http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1994397
This features Spiderman humilating the X-men and doing his comic routine. He refers to Wolverine as a joke as he casually slaps him away with ease.
Same initial thought but I know there has been some changes in characters power and ability over time.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
By maneuvering Spidey into a position where he gets tagged.It's like chess. You have precog and can see four steps ahead. I am a chess master who has planned the entire chess match in my head, and no matter what you do, all you can see is you marching to your doom.
Moreover, when facing these three combatants his SS would be going off like crazy anyway. But that is a very minor point.
So you failed to give a valid example.
I'll clarify, give a narrative of a sequences of events that show Cap using the SS against Peter. Make up something.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Prove that Parker moves faster than a bullet 🙂You're a bad troll, h1.
I will. But you first.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But I do not possess Cap's tactical acumen.Your argument is like asking me to invent something in a Reed thread.
Suffice it to say, I have already posted - twice - Cap maneuvering Parker into a position where his SS wasn't able to help him dodge the hits.
Yes you do. Cap only performed tactics in comics where regular humans thought of it (writers).
We go by feats, not speculation. Cap can only do things that are on par with with he have done on panel. If you can't think of a way for Cap to take advantage of the SS then he can't. It's really that simple.
That example holds no water in a forum fight. Characters fight to the best of their ability. Showings of PIS isn't allowed. Spidey has dodge machine gun fire like a day job. A slow moving shield (which can be easily caught or deflected) can be dealt with without missing a beat.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Prove that Parker moves faster than a bullet 🙂You're a bad troll, h1.
I will. But you first.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Nobody is going to spoonfeed you here, h1.You are a piece of shit and you never provided any issue numbers - let alone scans - to discussions we're having here.
Kindly leave. Go get raped by the Movie Forum kmcers or whatever you're into these days.
You made the claim. Why should I have to provide evidence first? You claimed that these three can move faster than a bullet. Prove it.
Trust me, I have proof of multiple times Spidey has moved faster than a bullet. If you know the character then you should know of some of these feats. Therefore, your interrogative is a troll tactic in reality.
Originally posted by h1a8
You made the claim. Why should I have to provide evidence first? You claimed that these three can move faster than a bullet. Prove it.
Trust me, I have proof of multiple times Spidey has moved faster than a bullet. If you know the character then you should know of some of these feats. Therefore, your interrogative is a troll tactic in reality.
You've ignored legit showings of characters not named "Spider-Man" for fifteen years --- you're not going to acknowledge them now, troll.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So how close do you have to be to the gun for it to be classed as FTB speed?
Simple math. Just move more distance than the bullet moved in the same amount of time. So if takes a character 1-2ft to move his hand (or head) to block or dodge a bullet then the bullet has to start closer than that distance from the location of where their hands will be when the bullet is blocked or dodged.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You've ignored legit showings of characters not named "Spider-Man" for fifteen years --- you're not going to acknowledge them now, troll.
There you go making stuff up. I never ignored evidence. I always addressed it. Ask Saint. He has convinced me multiple times by scans. I'm convinced that IF is a bullet timer by that ONE and only showing I saw where he caught a bullet. I'm convinced that DD is a bullet timer because those times of batting away bullets. I'm convinced Cap is a bullet timer because that time he ducked a bullet and said to have seen it in the air.
So what are you talking about?
Originally posted by h1a8 Yes you do. Cap only performed tactics in comics where regular humans thought of it (writers).
And Reed has invented items where regular humans thought of it, without needing to actually have the science behind it to back it up. All the writers need to prove is that Reed possesses that level of intelligence.
I have already proven that Cap possesses a level of tactical acumen above Spidey's. So just as a comic writer does not need to lay out every step of Reed's inventive process, nor do I need to lay out every step of Cap's tactical process.
We go by feats, not speculation. Cap can only do things that are on par with with he have done on panel. If you can't think of a way for Cap to take advantage of the SS then he can't. It's really that simple.
That example holds no water in a forum fight. Characters fight to the best of their ability. Showings of PIS isn't allowed. Spidey has dodge machine gun fire like a day job. A slow moving shield (which can be easily caught or deflected) can be dealt with without missing a beat.
Forums also have their character in play. And whilst a slow moving shield can be deflected/caught, it still takes time to do so.
Which Cap can then capitalise on. Or Wolverine. Or Daredevil.
Originally posted by h1a8
Simple math. Just move more distance than the bullet moved in the same amount of time. So if takes a character 1-2ft to move his hand (or head) to block or dodge a bullet then the bullet has to start closer than that distance from the location of where their hands will be when the bullet is blocked or dodged.
How close is this gun to his chin?
Two shots.
Simple math.
Originally posted by h1a8
Simple math. Just move more distance than the bullet moved in the same amount of time. So if takes a character 1-2ft to move his hand (or head) to block or dodge a bullet then the bullet has to start closer than that distance from the location of where their hands will be when the bullet is blocked or dodged.
That was very awkwardly worded for conveying a simple concept.
Do better.
If we are accounting the Iron Spider suit, then it has way more capabilities and powers than his regular Spider-Man suit.
The Iron Spider suit features cloaking and gliding device, morphing capability, limited bulletproofing armor, enhance optical lenses that allow panoramic viewing, prehensile three mechanical spider-arms, audio and visual system to detect infrared and ultraviolet signals, built-in scanner, carbon mask filter, underwater breathing mask filter, costume containment tool for handling dangerous substance, communication system, and other multifunctional layers.
The first six mentioned are significant for this fight
But I'm pretty sure for this fight he uses his own regular Spider-Man costume right ?