Do you think the Goverment controls too much?

Originally posted by WindDancer
If by freedom you mean I could do ANYTHING I want......then the answer is no. Why? because if we give people freedom to do anything they want then murderers and rapist will go wild and no one will stop them. We are all under the law simply because humans can never act socially without laws.

There is only one kind of ''freedom'', so lets play your game and look at the dictinary, shall we -

# he condition of being free of restraints.
# Liberty of the person from slavery, detention, or oppression.
#

1. Political independence.
2. Exemption from the arbitrary exercise of authority in the performance of a specific action; civil liberty: freedom of assembly.

# Exemption from an unpleasant or onerous condition: freedom from want.
# The capacity to exercise choice; free will: We have the freedom to do as we please all afternoon.
# A right or the power to engage in certain actions without control or interference

Originally posted by WindDancer
Nonsense! If that is the case what is the point of education? That's why you educate yourself and learn the truths about government and everyting else in the world! If it was a social prison there wouldn't be ANY form of education. But obviously there is freedom to learn. In a social system you are only taught to be what the government wants you to be. If the government needs more brick layers then that's the only thing they will teach in schools bricks and cement

Oh no! The American Government wants me to only learn a certain profession! BS! I learn what I want to learn and educate myself without any censorship from the government! Gee weez! I guess that since the government is capitalistic they will banned any type of Communist literature.......NEWSFLASH visit any library and you can learn everything you want to know about Communism or any form of anti-capitalism literature!

Hmm..are you saying that people in dictatorships dont have education? Are you saying that people in Third reich never had an education?

You ''know'' how much they allow you to know. Please! Do you onestly think that you know something ultra secret about your goverment? (evidently you cant see whats in front of your face, but its just an example)

What did ducation have to do with this, i dont know. I dont even see why you brought it up to be honest...

Do you understand the notion of 'anti-social behaiviour' and 'devience' and 'deliquency'?? Because if you dont, i suggest you look it up, sicne all those terms DO exist and are used in sociology at least.

Still your point is rather silly, since i dont get where the hell did education come in from my point.

And lastly, its rather egoistical for you to constantly talk about what YOU do in AMERICA. Noone cares! America is not the only nation in the world, and even though it might be rather powerfull now - soon it aint gonna be anymore - so get over it, and look at the society or the general point of veiw, or dont bore me with America and what you do there - not interested.

Originally posted by WindDancer
By taking away my freedom would be to impose so many laws on the citizens that it will make it harder for anyone to live. That's not happening here! There is no law agaisn't walking into a porn shop and buy dvd. There is no law agains't reading anarchist literature. There is no law agaisn't listening to political rock bands. But guess what? Interest groups DO want to take that away from us! Not the government but those people who think what is right for society.

What the hell does going into a porn shop have to do with any fecking thing? Please explain it to me - id love to know.

Is it because you so free that your presied restricted people outside USA to view his website? Oh no, there are people who are engaging their brains - must restrict anyone who thinks for himself!

Oh yeah right! If this is a dictatorship then those rich folks at Beverly Hills and 5th avenue in New York are sure under a goverment restrictions. This is a Capitalist nation not a dictatorship try to tell them apart.

Originally posted by WindDancer
Not everybody gets a fair trial there loop holes in the system. But that doesn't mean that every inmate in prison has been trial unfairly. Sorry, but crime does happen and someone did it. To claim that you don't get a fair trial has been used by murderers many times.

So tell me then, if a leader steals an election and goes into a war in which majority of Americans protested to, is in your book called democrasy?
If your leader watches the books you read and is passing laws such as a ''patroitc act' which restrics your freedom to protect you - thats called democrasy?

You are no safer now than you were 50 years ago - thinking otherwise is rediculous.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Hmm..are you saying that people in dictatorships dont have education? Are you saying that people in Third reich never had an education?

No, I said that they teach what they want you to learn. That's what I meant with the brick layer example. Sure the Third Reich had education! They certainly didn't allowed everyone to have it! Right? Jews or anyother person that wasn't Aryan descent wasn't allowed to learn! Here your race doesn't matter!

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
You ''know'' how much they allow you to know. Please! Do you onestly think that you know something ultra secret about your goverment? (evidently you cant see whats in front of your face, but its just an example)

What did ducation have to do with this, i dont know. I dont even see why you brought it up to be honest...

Do you understand the notion of 'anti-social behaiviour' and 'devience' and 'deliquency'?? Because if you dont, i suggest you look it up, sicne all those terms DO exist and are used in sociology at least.

Still your point is rather silly, since i dont get where the hell did education come in from my point.

My example of education is to prove that no matter how tyranical a government might be there will be those that will be aware of the corruption. In a Dictatorship there can only educated people that support the government. If America was a dictatorship then there wouldn't be Doctors that are democrats or Libertarians or even Republicans.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Second of all, its a well known fact (to the rest of the world) that there are certain books that cannot be printed in America - your goverment watches what you read - why do you think that is? Huh?

What books are you talking about?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
And lastly, its rather egoistical for you to constantly talk about what YOU do in AMERICA. Noone cares! America is not the only nation in the world, and even though it might be rather powerfull now - soon it aint gonna be anymore - so get over it, and look at the society or the general point of veiw, or dont bore me with America and what you do there - not interested. What the hell does going into a porn shop have to do with any fecking thing? Please explain it to me - id love to know.

What I do? I wasn't the only entering the place! there was line in order to enter so that means quite a lot people out there shared my taste. That means they also would not like the idea of some interest group trying to censor what we like!

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
So tell me then, if a leader steals an election and goes into a war in which majority of Americans protested to, is in your book called democrasy?
If your leader watches the books you read and is passing laws such as a ''patroitc act' which restrics your freedom to protect you - thats called democrasy?

First let me clear something here. I didn't voted for Bush in 2000. In my view he didn't steal the election. Even Democrats and other Independs I talked to don't believe he did. What we agreed is that it was all a political scheme started by Al Gore. Second, as I said many times there are things I agree and don't agree with the President. For me the war should have been about removing Saddam and give a Iraq independence. That wasn't the case so I disagree with the President. He can passed any laws he wants! People will opposed them. At least we can protest in the streets and not get shot! Try that in Communist China! Ever heard of Tiannem Square?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
You are no safer now than you were 50 years ago - thinking otherwise is rediculous.

Safer from what? What's so ridicolous to you?

It was wrong of me to get into this debaite because - i'll be away or a week so i cant answer....basically, i'll um this up - super qucikly.

Whats rediculous to me is that you are no saer now than you were 40, 50 years ago when a misile could have been launched and destroyed some of bigger American cities.

Bush telling people that they are not safe and god knows when they'll be, is just rediculous, because hes passing some stupid laws for Amerian people based on something thats not entiraly true.

the question should be...who controls the goverement

(i'm from holland so excusy my somtimes bad englisch)
People don"t you see that the government is looking at us in a way like a psychiatrist observes his patient . With in the back of his mind has the thought that money has to be made and things have to be bought .For in the eyes of the government that"s our main purpose, and of course to now and then support a movement or idea.
This support causes several things: 1 It keeps control over people who follow 2 It gives the government a feedback that they still have controle3 It shows other people that they still have control, which leaves them with a powerless feeling. This last group is the biggest they just don't know it.
The big masses of people shown on the screen supporting these movements are ment to discurigge thid last group and it does( in fact it discurriges so much that the first ones who where introdused to this were trying to fight this and now it has grown so far that this last group just changes the channel knowing that they cant do anything about it. So this controles the last group. And the controle over the last group has to be the most tight for it is the larger group. So more then one way of controle is used to confuse them and to never let them forget that the government has controle.This controle is not being said directly. Like "people we have controle". This would have a negative effect for the government. So they just use subtle ways to deliver the same message. So if it would come to court no direct words kan be used against them. They let you feel it. They let you feel that they have controle.
And there are many things who work in the favor of the government to keep this group in check. For instanse the relations between people which are also confusing us. They work in the favor of the government buy keeping oure focus on diferent things.
I know you'r thinking what controle does the government have over our relations. Not that much but they know they are confusing buy them selves so they work in the favor government
Controle is often not that obvious but non the less it is a form of controle.
Look at how many things confuse us in life and then you wil know how many thing indirectly support the government in keeping his controle.
A big flow of information is confusing
This way truth is very hard seen. And often a very well constructed lie is taken as a truth, becouse of the confusion. Do you see the controle.

They expect that we would be talking about this because they know that in the end we Will accomplish nothing with it. Exept leaving us more confused and powerless.
If you look at the government as it would be a machine then these discussions ore alternative way of thinking is taken in consideration.
It's a margin that is accepted because it doesn't harm the money making and the consumption

You probably think man you live in Holland the most free country there is. Man you can smoke pot there. What are you bitching about. Am I right.
The government in holland just uses other methods.
Who are also based on confusion but slightly different.
And yes the acceptants of marihuana did let people feel for a while that they had freedom. But in the end i think that the psychoanalitical team of my goverment probably just desided that it would not stand in the way of the money making and the consumption. And plus would probably take agression to a lower point
Although I must say that more freedom is beeing given to us here.
As wel as support to those who are in need.
But i ask myself the cuestion is this not being done just to look good while they exploit the ones who arent in need.
I know it´s a mind job
And having said al this................. I remember how powerless i am.

Oh and buy the way winddancer i think that you´r way of thinking is a safe mechanism thats imprinted buy the the ones who want to keep control. I mean they relay on people like you to do they´r job for them. Yes laws have to exist in these times but It´s a pitty that humans are the only ones who can make them becouse overal they have double purposes if you look at it from a psychological point of view.

I declared war to this controle a long time ago and wil fight for as long as i live against it.
And no I´m not talking about taking lives.
I´m talking about changing them
So controle freaks i´m comming for ya ready or not.

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
The goverment to me controls alot of stuff and is pretty powerful!So is this a good thing or a bad thing?
Would it be better if the goverment did not control so much stuff in our lifes?Would we be more free?
What do you guys think?and don't forget to vote!JM 💃

Bad news, folks: The last post on KMC by Jackie Malfoy was on 9/27/05. PVS, since you live near her I think you should go try to find her.

Originally posted by botankus
Bad news, folks: The last post on KMC by Jackie Malfoy was on 9/27/05. PVS, since you live near her I think you should go try to find her.

she must have given the dissertation.
so no more use for kmc

Well I am not sure if they control too much...but they certainly do too much and maybe have to muvh power. In my opinion the Governments should only make sure that every citizen survives, one can maybe say that they can also make sure that people live relatively good (Infrastructure and such) ....but not much more....I think everyone should have as much control over their own live as possible....at least the freedom shouldn't be cut beyongd some laws (Murder, Stealing and that like) ...

Originally posted by PVS
she must have given the dissertation.
so no more use for kmc

She either saw everything or nothing, which is a valid building block for the solid theory that she was either KMC's smartest user or most brainless.

If you think the goverment controls too much you have to ask yourself "what is it I want?"

What do you want to do that you currently can't? The longer you think about that question, the sooner you'll realize either

A) It's probably something criminal.
or B) It's probably something you can do anyway and never thought about it.

The American goverment is one of the most leniant care-free goverments in the world! Hell, we're TOO soft on our people! That's why they're so whiney and panzy waste..

Well, where do you get your 'information' what leads you to reach conclusions about yourself and the world? Who decides what time you get up every workday? Who decides where you go and what you do when you get there? Who decides how you do it? If you are like the overwhelming majority of people currently resident in this dreamworld, those decisions are not made by you at all; they are imposed by the 'system' the spiders web of control that dictates its will upon your ''life''.

You get your 'information' from the mainstream media that sells you the daily falsehoods on which you decide what to think and believe. You have to get up at a certain time because you have to report to work and you cant be late. You go where your bosses tell you to go and you do what they say. If you rebel you get fired and if you dont get paid you cant afford a home or enough to eat. And its not only you. What about your family and others dependent upon you? if you dont serve the system what are the consequences for them? To meet all these percieved needs and responsibilities, you have to spend every day keeping other people happy.

Most people kid themselves that they are free by never testing the theory for real.They are like flies caught in a web and so long as they dont move they can convince themselves that they could if they wanted to. Its just they they dont want to right now. If they tryed they would have to face the fact that their arse is superglued to someone elses control system with dinner about to be served - them. They keep doing what the goverment dictatorships tell them to do, without question or challenge, and perpetuate the illusion that they have free choice by never even making one. Having my wings stuck to this web suits me fine because i am choosing not to fly. As the Orwellian global state emerges rapidly from the shadows, this self deception about a 'free world' is becoming far more difficult to sustain. But instead of staring th eplight in the face, most people try harder to look the other way. Most people are quick to complain about what is happening in their lives and the wider world, yet they are cast in stone when it comes to doing anything about it. Far better it seems to avoid your own responsiblity by blaming someone else.

The world is like it is because we have allowed the few to make it that way and just pointing the finger at those few is not enough. We are all involved in this.

"What is wrong with this world? Why all those civil wars, why all this chaos and disaster? Why can't people just live together in peace? When conflicts arise, why is it so hard for the United Nations and other parties to stop the killing, despite peace negotiators and ambassadors? Is it that man is basically evil? Is it just human behavior? Lots of questions. When we look around, it may seem like man is basically evil, but that is not true. Man in general is good and tries to do good whenever he can; this can be proven. Evil is implanted and distributed from a very high level - above governments and out of sight from ordinary people, by the few who think power is the ultimate freedom and that it is okay to achieve it by any means. All this chaos, genocide, ethnic cleansing and disaster has a genuine purpose. It is very carefully planned by a few men behind the scene, high up in the society, high above any power structure that the ordinary citizen knows about. It is a planned take-over to create a One World Government with those people on top, making the rest of us into their slaves in a Super Socialist State ...!

Deano my man, you speak the truth. Society is like a bunchof flies, and the illummnati are like a couple of hungery spiders. Who wield webs of lies and elaborate planning to capture society in it's grasps..

Unfourtanately for myself, I am a fly, who wants so desperately to be a spider.. So I push people into the web, fool them into the web, or just beat the crap out of them.. Why can't I be a spider?! > _ <

so spelljammer, is it now the case that you have given up your
position as "self proclaimed king of the dipshits" and reverted
to nuthugging cheerleader?

My God...she spelled the title correctly (even though she capitalized government)...the end of times are upon us!

actually, many times the mods have corrected her thread title spelling errors.
i would imagine this is one

Originally posted by FeceMan
My God...she spelled the title correctly (even though she capitalized government)...the end of times are upon us!

actually she spelled government 'g-o-v-e-r-m-e-n-t'

Originally posted by PVS
actually, many times the mods have corrected her thread title spelling errors.
i would imagine this is one

Originally posted by FeceMan
My God...she spelled the title correctly (even though she capitalized government)...the end of times are upon us!

If she's talking aboot the US government, which in her opinion probably is the only government wouldn't capitalizes maybe be right....not sure....(now she misspelled it anyways, but just asking....)

Government is another word for mafia, you Have to pay your Taxes, you Have to work or go down due to lack of funds. If anyone messes with the government then they get locked up or shot by the secret service, or even worse invaded for oil.